loveykatie
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First time working with seeds

I am starting a vegetable garden this year for the first time.
I've never done any gardening at all, so it will be quite the challenge I'm thinking.

The area I'm working with will be around 20' x 7'. It's covered with grass at the moment, and I'm working on figuring out how to remove the grass and sod by either digging it up, or rototilling it, then weeding, then adding compost and fertilizer.

I plan on doing tomatoes, cucumbers, yellow squash, bell peppers, garlic and maybe eggplant.

Could someone please give me specific directions or advice for each vegetable. For instance, I don't know if I should be starting plants inside before hand, or if I should be starting my entire garden outside in the ground in May with seeds.

Also, I don't know how many seeds to use and how far appart the different vegetables should be planted from one another.

Please bare with me. I'm so new to this, that I'm easily confused. Thanks! :shock:

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Best tip is to do a really good job on the part you started with, about preparing the soil. Good soil makes good veggies!

Re tomatoes, cucumbers, yellow squash, bell peppers, garlic and maybe eggplant

Tomatoes and peppers are usually started indoors and transplanted out. However I start my peppers in late January and my tomatoes in mid February to have them ready to plant mid to late April. With the ground to get ready, I would think for this first time, you would be better off just buying well started plants from a local nursery (better a nursery than a big box). They are not expensive and there's a lot to learn about indoor seed starting, equipment to buy, etc. Once you get the part down about growing the plants, you can work on the indoor seed starting another year.

The cucumbers and squash are easy to grow from seed planted directly in the soil, once the soil is well warmed up, say sometime in May. I've never grown eggplant, so someone else can tell you about what to do with that one.

Garlic is not usually grown from seed, it is VERY slow that way. I usually just take grocery store garlic, divide it in to cloves and plant the cloves. I do that in October and leave them in the ground over the winter and harvest them the following summer. You can plant garlic cloves now, as soon as you get your ground worked, but there's a good chance that by the end of the season, what you will have is one big round, smaller than a head of garlic, but a lot bigger than the clove you planted, but not divided up into cloves.

Tomatoes get to be VERY big plants, 6 or more feet tall and bushy. You will need cages or some system to support the vines. I put 5 of them in a 4'x8' bed and that's crowding them by most people's standards. But 5 tomato plants is probably enough to keep you in tomatoes all season, maybe a couple more if it isn't just you, you have a family.

Peppers you could put about 8 plants in a 4x8 foot bed, but unless you really like peppers you don't necessarily even need that many, I usually do six.

Cucumbers and summer squash are big spreading vines. Two plants is probably plenty for a 4x8 bed. (Starting from seed you would plant a few more than that and then just keep the strongest ones.) There are bush type summer squashes that are a bit more compact, but they are still big plants. But if they work for you, incredibly productive. Two plants might well be all the squash you need. Once they get going, they should be producing several zucchinis a week per plant, maybe even up to one a day per plant. Cucumbers, if you want, can be grown up a trellis. They are similar in size and productivity to the squash.

Make your bed one foot longer and it will divide up neatly into 4 4x8' beds with paths between them.

Best tip number 2: while you are getting your soil ready, start a compost pile! It won't help you for right now, but by fall you will be producing your own home made compost, best soil amendment there is. AND you will have somewhere to put all the weeds you will be pulling, garden trimmings, kitchen scraps, etc, keep it out of the waste stream. If you aren't familiar with composting, we have a whole section on it here, browse around!

Best wishes for your new garden!! :)

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Wow! Thank you for your help! So nice to have answers so quickly.

I am planting these for eating only this year, not for canning or storing. We are actually only renting for one year, so this will be an interesting experiment, and hopefully it will teach me a lot. I think I'll still compost, because I can always bag some of it and take it with us (we have no garbage disposal, so that will give me somewhere to put the food we can't put down the drain).

I'm really open to any kind of tomatoes (as far as size), as long as they taste good! Should I buy the plants from a nursery well ahead of time or just right before I plant them in the garden?

LOVE the suggestion of dividing the garden into 4 - 4'x8' beds!

I'd like it to be enough for 4 people if possible, so I can give some away to friends ad family!

There will be no where for my plants to climb, and I'm not sure what was meant by planting on a hill (cucumbers).

Can I plant the cucumbers and squash in one of the 4'x8' plots together?

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Don't buy your tomatoes too far ahead. But maybe a few days to at most a week ahead. In case where you buy them from, they have not been in full sun, you will need a little time to get them used to full sun and the location they will be. Start by putting them (still in the pots) in a somewhat protected location and gradually move them so that they are in the pots sitting (about) where they will be. Then they will be ready to plant.

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I am planting these for eating only this year, not for canning or storing. We are actually only renting for one year, so this will be an interesting experiment, and hopefully it will teach me a lot. I think I'll still compost, because I can always bag some of it and take it with us (we have no garbage disposal, so that will give me somewhere to put the food we can't put down the drain).
Rainbowgardener and Marlingardener are giving you great advise, but I'll be Mr. Negative. The first year is usually the most labor intensive and expensive year. You could probably just buy your produce cheaper than the setup. I just don't like all the energy you will be putting into something that benefits the landlord or next renter.

How about container gardening this year.

Eric

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Rainbowgardener and Marlingardener are giving you great advise, but I'll be Mr. Negative. The first year is usually the most labor intensive and expensive year. You could probably just buy your produce cheaper than the setup. I just don't like all the energy you will be putting into something that benefits the landlord or next renter.
You say I won't benefit from it because I'll be only there for a year, but I think I'll learn a lot more actually planting this year than if I go buy my own produce, so I think I'll still do it! :) Thanks.

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Katie,

Don't get me wrong. I support anyone that wants to grow their on vegetables. The more lawn that is converted the better. :D

No doubt you will learn plenty the first year and apply most to your next location. I believe a garden gets better with time and moving within a year will not show its true potential.

Just trying to save you money, time and disappointment.

Best of luck
Eric

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So, I was in a position similar to yours last year. This is what I learned about creating a bed:
-You'll want to not use Roundup to kill the grass, you'll need to actually dig out the top layer of soil to get the grass roots out of the ground if you don't want to do a raised bed. Your garden will be about two inches below your lawn, but that will also help to keep the grass from taking it over mid-mango.
-For every 5 square feet get a bag of compost from a nursery. This is a bit rich for most soil comparisons. However, that grass has probably striped that soil of a lot of nutrients you will REALLY need to get your veggies going.
-Put the compost in a little early. Till it in (with a tiller or even a grub hoe) a month or two before planting. This will give the compost time to really settle into the soil.
-Remember that your first round of compost does not equal fertilizer! You are adding this compost to make it fertile enough to grow something other than grass. Basically you are bringing it up to a baseline. You may need to supplement with an addition fertilizer. There some excellent all natural and organic ways to do this (as well as stuff like Miracle Grow if you're more into that sort of thing too... and that's OK). I would recommend a product called Dr. Earth (or something similar). It's a great natural and organic fertilizer that you can apply to the soil as a solid or to your plants by making it into a tea.
-Manure has a different purpose than compost. manure is more of a fertilizer whereas compost is a nutritional re-conditioner. Basically, compost replenishes the nutrients that left your garden over the past year by being absorbed by your plants. Whereas manure gives it an extra boost.
-Not all compost is created equal. Make sure to ask a recommendation from a nursery about a FULLY DECOMPOSED compost. If the compost is not broken down all of the way it will actually suck out the nitrogen in the soil to help itself break down... which is the opposite of what you want it to do.
-Plant your squash directly in your bed! Squash is very susceptible to disease and fungus. Although it transplants pretty well form a start, if it is not started in the soil it will be grown in, come mid august (when they are beautiful and fruit bearing) they can often mysteriously start to get that white powder disease and die off. Very sad business!
-Get a little nitrogen boost in the hole you dig for your tomato plants. They like a lot of nitrogen (much more than most plants). The fruit will be bigger, juicier, and less acidic. There are products like Mater Magic (and endless others) where you just toss a little bit in the hole and it truly is magic!
Good luck!
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