Greetings all,
I recently interviewed an old friend and colleague, Paul Tukey, about his new movie, and we have featured the [url=https://www.helpfulgardener.com/organic/2006/chemical-reaction.html]interview[/url] on the site. Please take a minute to read about this important film and then let's talk about it back here... I look forward to hearing from you all...
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The movie looks good, I hope people see this and think instead of just going on about their way's. I have been trying to inform my friends and neighbors for some time, but most people don't care or want the easy way out. One day they will see the light, maybe, but it will be too late then, or is it already?
How do you get a copy of this movie?
How do you get a copy of this movie?
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It's a good question, Gixx, the one we keep asking ourselves over and over, and one I know Paul has tried to address with this movie. Can we make a difference, we organic gardeners? Paul thought the whole answer lie in [url=https://www.safelawns.org/pdf/hudsongazette.pdf]Hudson, Quebec...[/url]
The Hudson case was a watershed moment for Canada, one that has changed the way their government views chamical pollution, one that changed the public paradigm as the chemical companies really put on the Snidely Whiplash outfit in suing Hudson, and when the town finally won, allowing towns all over the country to follow suit, they started to, first a few small towns, then Toronto went, now Paul tells me Victoria is goiing to go soon and others besides. Home Depot Canada has pulled pesticides form it's shelves in response to this grassroots groundswell! All thanks to [url=https://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/09/who-is-june-irwin/]Dr. June Irwin[/url], who wouldn't shut-up through six years of town meetings.
So the next time you hear someone say "Well, what can one person do?" you tell them about that crazy old sheep-farming dermatologist that got all of Canada going green in the garden. And then tell them about this movie...
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The Hudson case was a watershed moment for Canada, one that has changed the way their government views chamical pollution, one that changed the public paradigm as the chemical companies really put on the Snidely Whiplash outfit in suing Hudson, and when the town finally won, allowing towns all over the country to follow suit, they started to, first a few small towns, then Toronto went, now Paul tells me Victoria is goiing to go soon and others besides. Home Depot Canada has pulled pesticides form it's shelves in response to this grassroots groundswell! All thanks to [url=https://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/09/who-is-june-irwin/]Dr. June Irwin[/url], who wouldn't shut-up through six years of town meetings.
So the next time you hear someone say "Well, what can one person do?" you tell them about that crazy old sheep-farming dermatologist that got all of Canada going green in the garden. And then tell them about this movie...
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I was wondering too, gixx, how to get a copy. I checked the safelawns.org website. Other than a couple film festivals it will be shown at (one in CA and one in DC) it didn't have any info. So I just sent them an email at
info@chemicalreactionmovie.com asking how I could get a copy. You might want to do that too... If they start getting the sense that there's a market out there, they might work a little harder to get it into distribution.
info@chemicalreactionmovie.com asking how I could get a copy. You might want to do that too... If they start getting the sense that there's a market out there, they might work a little harder to get it into distribution.
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Not to be ignorant here.
I know it takes money to release a film, distribution isn't cheap. But if they really want the message to be spread that would be a great way. How many people know about "film festivals"? I know of them but I have never been to one or ever got notification of one in my area, or other areas to be precise. Most of the people that go to 'film festivals", are opened minded individuals anyways many who may already practice these principles in one way or another.
The people that need to see films like this would be the people that have no idea so that they may have an idea of what is really happening in the world around them. You sure don't get this info from the media, "organics" doesn't have big pockets behind it, "chemicals" have very deep pockets to get their message across. So the blind sheep follow.
So having copy's around for people to happen upon, maybe at the checkout of Nursery's, Lowe's, Supermarkets, heck if he wants I'll sling 'em out the back of my truck on the street 'hood' style.
At least a website to view the movie from would be good, it would get more airplay and have an ultimately further reaching effect then only Film festivals. Sorry if this has already been thought about, just throwing my thoughts out there.
Peace.
I know it takes money to release a film, distribution isn't cheap. But if they really want the message to be spread that would be a great way. How many people know about "film festivals"? I know of them but I have never been to one or ever got notification of one in my area, or other areas to be precise. Most of the people that go to 'film festivals", are opened minded individuals anyways many who may already practice these principles in one way or another.
The people that need to see films like this would be the people that have no idea so that they may have an idea of what is really happening in the world around them. You sure don't get this info from the media, "organics" doesn't have big pockets behind it, "chemicals" have very deep pockets to get their message across. So the blind sheep follow.
So having copy's around for people to happen upon, maybe at the checkout of Nursery's, Lowe's, Supermarkets, heck if he wants I'll sling 'em out the back of my truck on the street 'hood' style.
At least a website to view the movie from would be good, it would get more airplay and have an ultimately further reaching effect then only Film festivals. Sorry if this has already been thought about, just throwing my thoughts out there.
Peace.
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It's not well known in the United States that [url=https://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/April2008/22/c8079.html]Home Depot has ceased sales of pesticides in Canada[/url]. But as Paul Tukey asks, why is it ok to still sell the same chemicals in the United States?
"Like our customers, we, at The Home Depot, are concerned about the environment," said Annette Verschuren, president of The Home Depot Canada and Asia. "We are going above and beyond government regulations by working with our suppliers to develop pesticide alternatives that are environmentally friendly and produce excellent results on lawns and gardens."
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I've been quasi-organic for years. That's not to say I was at the front of a trend, but more that if it was weird or offbeat or self-sufficient and maybe a little anarchistic, I'd be interested.
I recognize that sometimes chemicals are an appropriate solution at an appropriate time. Unfortunately, too many people see them as the only solution. Yes, you need chemicals to get rid of a bad infestation of chinch bugs in your Florida lawn, but maybe the best choice would be to get rid of the monoculture St Augustine turf.
Heck, I'm even fighting my inevitable use of Bacillus thuringiensis this spring to fight the nematodes and fleas that have been a problem for me the last few years. Worried that maybe it could hurt the honeybees in some way, or larval beneficial insects.
What I'd like is a garden care supplier that could spell out what is a reasonable thing to do. Of course that answer would be different for everyone. We don't want to pay what it would cost for a Master Gardener with an appreciation for organic garden care to sell us stuff at Home Depot. We also don't want to accept that the woman selling us the treatments for sooty mold or chlorosis usually works in the lighting department and really doesn't know what NPK stands for.
I think we need to be better informed consumers, and we need to pass on our knowledge wherever we can.
I recognize that sometimes chemicals are an appropriate solution at an appropriate time. Unfortunately, too many people see them as the only solution. Yes, you need chemicals to get rid of a bad infestation of chinch bugs in your Florida lawn, but maybe the best choice would be to get rid of the monoculture St Augustine turf.
Heck, I'm even fighting my inevitable use of Bacillus thuringiensis this spring to fight the nematodes and fleas that have been a problem for me the last few years. Worried that maybe it could hurt the honeybees in some way, or larval beneficial insects.
What I'd like is a garden care supplier that could spell out what is a reasonable thing to do. Of course that answer would be different for everyone. We don't want to pay what it would cost for a Master Gardener with an appreciation for organic garden care to sell us stuff at Home Depot. We also don't want to accept that the woman selling us the treatments for sooty mold or chlorosis usually works in the lighting department and really doesn't know what NPK stands for.
I think we need to be better informed consumers, and we need to pass on our knowledge wherever we can.
I don't know whether these folks are required to use organic methods, but take a look atthanrose wrote: Yes, you need chemicals to get rid of a bad infestation of chinch bugs in your Florida lawn, but maybe the best choice would be to get rid of the monoculture St Augustine turf.
Heck, I'm even fighting my inevitable use of Bacillus thuringiensis this spring to fight the nematodes and fleas that have been a problem for me the last few years. Worried that maybe it could hurt the honeybees in some way, or larval beneficial insects.
What I'd like is a garden care supplier that could spell out what is a reasonable thing to do. Of course that answer would be different for everyone. We don't want to pay what it would cost for a Master Gardener with an appreciation for organic garden care to sell us stuff at Home Depot.
https://gardeningsolutions.ifas.ufl.edu/mastergardener/
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Thanrose, you are correct, occasionally there is situation that requires pesticides. In my professional experience these cases are truly so rare it does not begin to account for the wholesale use of these products, or the mass market retailing of them. There truly is little need for these items in a well kept organic garden. Nature generally takes care of her own...
Professionals know what to use for what insect and apply it judiciously; most hobbyists guess and use more, because more is better, right? Case in point; BT strains are insect specific; NONE that I know of are nematicidal or flea killers. BT is larval caterpillar or worm killer. So BT for your issues would be a waste (unless you got the right strain to kill sod web worm and got some off target kill). The first step in using pesticides is always make sure to use the right stuff on the right bug... but you are also right that somebody where you bought that product should have been able to tell you what is what. We have to have lessons to drive a car but poisons are available right off the shelf to anyone with the money. No age restriction, or buying limit. Where's the sense?
The best thing to kill nematodes is [url=https://biology.arizona.edu/sciconn/lessons2/Loredo/t4.htm]healthy soil[/url] with plenty of organic matter. The few occasions I have seen root knot todes have all been in depleted or chemically treated soils, where the natural soil diversity has been compromised. In healthy organically rich soils the todes tend to be good guys and the natural competition leaves little room for bad guys. Indeed, nematode eating nematodes are a regular occurrence. Eliminate the bacteria and fungii that make up the diet of the majority of nematodes, the predator todes disappear, and the populations left over are the ones that eat what's left; plants. Biodiversity is not just for rain forests...
As further example, do you know who eats the most fleas? That's right, [url=https://www.wormman.com/pd_nematodes.cfm]nematodes[/url]. Steinernema is the most common genus of nematode and the natural control for the little buggers. Kill all the todes with some chemical death-from-above, and you eliminate the fleas predator and thus... you are just kicking holes in the ecosystem and Nature fills them with what's at hand; that's how she rolls...
As for selling the right stuff, if you buy it, they will sell. If you don't buy it, they won't. As long as we keep telling ourselves we need this stuff, we will. As long as we use even small amounts, we continue to do damage we are not even aware of, creating further issue for our gardens that we...
reach for the sprayer again.
find better ways to deal with, that value our children, our lives, and our planet.
Those are the choices.
This movie is about the choices, and finding the information to make them. It is about manufacturers telling the truth, and retailers helping people find that truth for their own peace of mind. It is about governments fulfilling that highest order, protecting and serving the people they are elected to represent. And while some of it is about how badly that has been done, it is mostly about how some are getting it right. But it is mostly about looking in the mirror and telling the truth there. You can tell by the smell what is wrong or right; sure a cow flop has a scent all it's own, but it never made me dizzy or sick to my stomach. Can't say that about many of the chems.
So I salute HD Canada. I wish more companies would stand up, and take notice, and follow suit. These will be seen as the fore runners, as soon, with [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/03/AR2010010302110.html]EPA starting to chase licensing fraud[/url], and chemicals coming under more and more scrutiny, and despite the tooth and claw tactics of the industry, more and more companies will start to shy away from these products. There will be a lot of bandwagon jumpers in the near future as the real story begins to unfold.
So forget the guys who had to be pressured into it. They are still looking around to figure out what does work. Find that garden center that has been green since before it was cool. THAT'S the place where the people work that care enough to already know what to do. Don't know who that is yet? Ask around. We all have one somewhere not too far.
I hope.
But we're always here...
HG
Professionals know what to use for what insect and apply it judiciously; most hobbyists guess and use more, because more is better, right? Case in point; BT strains are insect specific; NONE that I know of are nematicidal or flea killers. BT is larval caterpillar or worm killer. So BT for your issues would be a waste (unless you got the right strain to kill sod web worm and got some off target kill). The first step in using pesticides is always make sure to use the right stuff on the right bug... but you are also right that somebody where you bought that product should have been able to tell you what is what. We have to have lessons to drive a car but poisons are available right off the shelf to anyone with the money. No age restriction, or buying limit. Where's the sense?
The best thing to kill nematodes is [url=https://biology.arizona.edu/sciconn/lessons2/Loredo/t4.htm]healthy soil[/url] with plenty of organic matter. The few occasions I have seen root knot todes have all been in depleted or chemically treated soils, where the natural soil diversity has been compromised. In healthy organically rich soils the todes tend to be good guys and the natural competition leaves little room for bad guys. Indeed, nematode eating nematodes are a regular occurrence. Eliminate the bacteria and fungii that make up the diet of the majority of nematodes, the predator todes disappear, and the populations left over are the ones that eat what's left; plants. Biodiversity is not just for rain forests...
As further example, do you know who eats the most fleas? That's right, [url=https://www.wormman.com/pd_nematodes.cfm]nematodes[/url]. Steinernema is the most common genus of nematode and the natural control for the little buggers. Kill all the todes with some chemical death-from-above, and you eliminate the fleas predator and thus... you are just kicking holes in the ecosystem and Nature fills them with what's at hand; that's how she rolls...
As for selling the right stuff, if you buy it, they will sell. If you don't buy it, they won't. As long as we keep telling ourselves we need this stuff, we will. As long as we use even small amounts, we continue to do damage we are not even aware of, creating further issue for our gardens that we...
reach for the sprayer again.
find better ways to deal with, that value our children, our lives, and our planet.
Those are the choices.
This movie is about the choices, and finding the information to make them. It is about manufacturers telling the truth, and retailers helping people find that truth for their own peace of mind. It is about governments fulfilling that highest order, protecting and serving the people they are elected to represent. And while some of it is about how badly that has been done, it is mostly about how some are getting it right. But it is mostly about looking in the mirror and telling the truth there. You can tell by the smell what is wrong or right; sure a cow flop has a scent all it's own, but it never made me dizzy or sick to my stomach. Can't say that about many of the chems.
So I salute HD Canada. I wish more companies would stand up, and take notice, and follow suit. These will be seen as the fore runners, as soon, with [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/03/AR2010010302110.html]EPA starting to chase licensing fraud[/url], and chemicals coming under more and more scrutiny, and despite the tooth and claw tactics of the industry, more and more companies will start to shy away from these products. There will be a lot of bandwagon jumpers in the near future as the real story begins to unfold.
So forget the guys who had to be pressured into it. They are still looking around to figure out what does work. Find that garden center that has been green since before it was cool. THAT'S the place where the people work that care enough to already know what to do. Don't know who that is yet? Ask around. We all have one somewhere not too far.
I hope.
But we're always here...HG
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Scott, I was just informed that our Garden Club in Colchester CT will be prescreening "A Chemical Reaction"!!! How fortunate we are! I have already reserved my seat, as they are limited. I do hope that publicity from this event will prompt more people to see the film when it becomes more available...and move us to take the same steps as our northern neighbors! Thank you for your part in promoting this film and sharing your knowledge. I've been away from the forum...busy with family health issues. Hopefully, I will now be able to spend some time with my favorite forum!
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Well, Cherlynn, yours truly might have had SOMETHING to do with that... 
Don't forget I AM a homeboy...
Glad you can make it, and make sure you come see me after (as I will be one of the presenters). I am always excited to meet THG folk in "real" life.
And for those without an invite to this sneak preview (sorry, but this one IS by invite only), the official Connecticut premiere will be a Mar. 7th matinee at 2 pm at Cinestudios at Hartford; we just finalized the arrangements. There is no more beautiful place to see a movie in Connecticut, and CTNOFA has been very gracious in sponsoring us. I look forward to seeing you all there as well...
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Don't forget I AM a homeboy...Glad you can make it, and make sure you come see me after (as I will be one of the presenters). I am always excited to meet THG folk in "real" life.
And for those without an invite to this sneak preview (sorry, but this one IS by invite only), the official Connecticut premiere will be a Mar. 7th matinee at 2 pm at Cinestudios at Hartford; we just finalized the arrangements. There is no more beautiful place to see a movie in Connecticut, and CTNOFA has been very gracious in sponsoring us. I look forward to seeing you all there as well...
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I must confess...Scott, I knew that you were involved with the presentation of the film in Colchester! I have been emailing our president of the garden club...actually, I was one of the members who initially wrote to her about the film last summer. I'm thrilled that she met you, that you offered us the showing and that we will be meeting soon.How wonderful to hear that the first official Connecticut showing of "A Chemical Reaction" will be at the Cinestudios in Hartford on March 7th! Hmm...I'll need to start spreading the word! A second viewing would be good for me... as well as meeting like minded people....
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I'd like to start up a discussion about the factors involved in eliminating said nematodes as well as other harmful guys. Not sure where to begin or maybe there is already a thread out there but this sort of thing is very interesting to me to learn about.As further example, do you know who eats the most fleas? That's right, nematodes. Steinernema is the most common genus of nematode and the natural control for the little buggers. Kill all the todes with some chemical death-from-above, and you eliminate the fleas predator and thus... you are just kicking holes in the ecosystem and Nature fills them with what's at hand; that's how she rolls...
As far as the movie and interview goes I found them both very wonderful but I am very upset over what some people are selling to make profit. I am really just sick of corrupt people and I think they deserve to be weeded themselves.
Most university extension centers can direct you to places that sell natural/organic products. We are fortunate to have Grange co-ops here and a fabulous county master gardener program with volunteers. But guess who's coming to town, guys? Joel Salatin! To talk about sustainable practices and food for life, I can hardly wait, I tried to get tickets today but the site is giving me trouble.
Great news Scott about the film, it's about time, isn't it?
Great news Scott about the film, it's about time, isn't it?
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Hey Gerrie
Enjoy Joel; I loved his book "Everything I Want To Do Is Illegal". And some real common sense agricultural ideas that show how completely biased our government has become to mass-market factory-style agriculture.
And the movie is certainly eye-opening and will at least start the conversation. But it is also a great story, one that I suspect will become told for a very long time. June Irwin joins [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Maathai]Wangari Maathai[/url], [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson]Rachel Carson[/url], [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Gibbs]Lois Gibbs[/url], [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandana_Shiva]Vadana Shiva[/url] in the ranks of my personal heroes. In defense of nature there are no stronger shields than those on feminine arms...
HG
Enjoy Joel; I loved his book "Everything I Want To Do Is Illegal". And some real common sense agricultural ideas that show how completely biased our government has become to mass-market factory-style agriculture.
And the movie is certainly eye-opening and will at least start the conversation. But it is also a great story, one that I suspect will become told for a very long time. June Irwin joins [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Maathai]Wangari Maathai[/url], [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson]Rachel Carson[/url], [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lois_Gibbs]Lois Gibbs[/url], [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandana_Shiva]Vadana Shiva[/url] in the ranks of my personal heroes. In defense of nature there are no stronger shields than those on feminine arms...
HG
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Ordered my book! Amazon has it for $16.00 and change. Scheduled to ship 3/1. Looks very interesting and tons to learn, I'll become a good gardener yet!
I looked up some of the women you were talking about (thanks for the links) and realized I was familiar with the works of some of them, but not their names. I also so admire the man who won the Nobel a couple years ago for establishing a bank that gave women small loans to start businesses- I think it was in Pakistan or Bangledesh. Have you read THREE CUPS OF TEA? Greg Mortensen-another hero.
I looked up some of the women you were talking about (thanks for the links) and realized I was familiar with the works of some of them, but not their names. I also so admire the man who won the Nobel a couple years ago for establishing a bank that gave women small loans to start businesses- I think it was in Pakistan or Bangledesh. Have you read THREE CUPS OF TEA? Greg Mortensen-another hero.
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Gerrie thank you for the lead. I look forward to reading that...
And an excellent recommendation from Gixx. I am in the midst of that one myself...
I am representing the film's creators at a sneak preview on Wed.: I will be sure to report the outcome here. I fully expect favorable reports...
HG
And an excellent recommendation from Gixx. I am in the midst of that one myself...
I am representing the film's creators at a sneak preview on Wed.: I will be sure to report the outcome here. I fully expect favorable reports...
HG
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Off topic sorry But Thank you Gerrie for recommending "Three cups of tea" I started the the night before last and just finished reading it I, as you can see, couldn't put it down. Very moving. I will write a small review in the off topic. Again thanks a must read, though not about gardening, it si about human perseverance against unbelievable odds.
You might like this one as well HG.
My eye's hurt after a day and a half read.
You might like this one as well HG.
My eye's hurt after a day and a half read.
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I will certainly look into those books, but back to topic...
It seems Dr, Irwin's work [url=https://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/cps-spc/pubs/pest/_decisions/rev2010-01/index-eng.php]continues to bear fruit[/url]...
The MAJORITY of ornamental pesticides go down in fertilizer combinant products like weed and feed. The Canadian government has taken the common sense stance that this is NOT in the best interest of the environment as a whole, or of its populace in general, as the health issues surrounding chemical use continue to unfold, despite the waters being muddied by lobbying dollars from the industry side.
This is a game changer to be sure, and much as the Supreme Court ruling outlined in the movie brough immediate response from the American chemical industry, I am sure we will see a flurry of activity around this issue here in the states. I will do my best to keep you all informed.
This is a HUGE leap forward in thinking about how we interact with our environment and a most logical step in the Canadian adoption of the Precautionary Principle. Such enlightened governance is to be commended, and it makes one long for such an approbable bureacracy here... Kudos to our neighbors to the north, and bless you Dr. June. One step closer to sainthood...
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It seems Dr, Irwin's work [url=https://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/cps-spc/pubs/pest/_decisions/rev2010-01/index-eng.php]continues to bear fruit[/url]...
The MAJORITY of ornamental pesticides go down in fertilizer combinant products like weed and feed. The Canadian government has taken the common sense stance that this is NOT in the best interest of the environment as a whole, or of its populace in general, as the health issues surrounding chemical use continue to unfold, despite the waters being muddied by lobbying dollars from the industry side.
This is a game changer to be sure, and much as the Supreme Court ruling outlined in the movie brough immediate response from the American chemical industry, I am sure we will see a flurry of activity around this issue here in the states. I will do my best to keep you all informed.
This is a HUGE leap forward in thinking about how we interact with our environment and a most logical step in the Canadian adoption of the Precautionary Principle. Such enlightened governance is to be commended, and it makes one long for such an approbable bureacracy here... Kudos to our neighbors to the north, and bless you Dr. June. One step closer to sainthood...
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That is a good step for the Canadians. But when will America open it's eyes? I know several people close to me that will garb for the weed and feed and I see it stocked fully on store shelves.
I fully understand their reasons for the banning of such weed and feeds. As the article states these products contain mainly broad-leaf 'cides which do no good unless the broad-leaf weed in question is actually present (not being an effective pre-emergent). So there are undoubtedly millions of consumers spreading a chemical that is not only dangerous to the environment as a whole but they are spreading a chemical that may not be needed and is wasted at the wrong time of the season. Kudos the Canada!! I have acutually discussed this very point with a garden department head at Lowe's she had no idea this was going on. Her comeback to my questioning why they are still sold in U.S. was "They want to make a large profit".
I fully understand their reasons for the banning of such weed and feeds. As the article states these products contain mainly broad-leaf 'cides which do no good unless the broad-leaf weed in question is actually present (not being an effective pre-emergent). So there are undoubtedly millions of consumers spreading a chemical that is not only dangerous to the environment as a whole but they are spreading a chemical that may not be needed and is wasted at the wrong time of the season. Kudos the Canada!! I have acutually discussed this very point with a garden department head at Lowe's she had no idea this was going on. Her comeback to my questioning why they are still sold in U.S. was "They want to make a large profit".
I'm really interested in seeing what kinds of rabbits the industry tries to pull out of it's hat. Sickening the way profits mean more than people to business and even more amazing how many folks don't take the precaution labels seriously. Someone I know thinks these labels are only written to protect the company from lawsuits, wears no protective clothing, no mask and refuses to listen to anything that us 'treehuggers' think. I can't wait to see the film.
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The rabbits are already popping out; the chemical companies are challenging again under restriction of fair trade law and will likely try to tie NAFTA into their argument. There is too much money at stake for them to walk away quietly and the fact that their poisoning people has been known to them for some time holds little sway on their thinking. It will not be easy to beat their money.
But no force can hide truth forever, no party will suffer injustice indefinitely, and the Canadian people seem far more progressive in their thinking. Despite the claims of falling property values and disintegrating landscapes, the bans now in place for over a decade still support lush, beautilful lawns and landscapes and property values continue to rise. These straw man arguments continue to be fodder for the American mill; nonsense such as this will continue in a like manner for sometime, I suspect.
But we have a fine example of the right thing to do just north of us and they keep setting a better example all the time. Hopefully this movie can start the same conversations here, with the same results. But Dr. June started her campaign in 1985, and it is just seeing results over twenty years later. We need to start soon...
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But no force can hide truth forever, no party will suffer injustice indefinitely, and the Canadian people seem far more progressive in their thinking. Despite the claims of falling property values and disintegrating landscapes, the bans now in place for over a decade still support lush, beautilful lawns and landscapes and property values continue to rise. These straw man arguments continue to be fodder for the American mill; nonsense such as this will continue in a like manner for sometime, I suspect.
But we have a fine example of the right thing to do just north of us and they keep setting a better example all the time. Hopefully this movie can start the same conversations here, with the same results. But Dr. June started her campaign in 1985, and it is just seeing results over twenty years later. We need to start soon...
HG
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Gixx, you asked; [url=https://www.safelawns.org/chemical-reaction/]here's the link[/url] to put hands on the movie
Good reception tonight (the snow date). Met cherlynn; hey dear! Very nice to meet a HG member, and I am now an official garden club member as well. Spent the day at the Flower Show with the Foundation's executive director talking up the state premiere Mar. 7th. Working towards that and I'll let you know how it turns out, but tonight was well recieved. They love June, and what is not to? As the local newspaper editor says in the movie "If the environmental movement ever canonizes someone, it should be June Irwin." I think Duff is right.
Well now you can all see it. And you all should, and get some friends to see it with you. And get them to buy a copy. And so on and so on. Pay this forward and we might just clean things up...
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Good reception tonight (the snow date). Met cherlynn; hey dear! Very nice to meet a HG member, and I am now an official garden club member as well. Spent the day at the Flower Show with the Foundation's executive director talking up the state premiere Mar. 7th. Working towards that and I'll let you know how it turns out, but tonight was well recieved. They love June, and what is not to? As the local newspaper editor says in the movie "If the environmental movement ever canonizes someone, it should be June Irwin." I think Duff is right.
Well now you can all see it. And you all should, and get some friends to see it with you. And get them to buy a copy. And so on and so on. Pay this forward and we might just clean things up...
HG
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Ask and you shall receive. I would have loved to go to the screening, but it would not have been feasible so far away. There are several organizations around me that hold classes and show films. One in particular I would like to suggest a screening of "A Chemical Reaction" to. I will be going to see a film "[url=https://www.mohistory.org/education-and-events/events/3959]Dirt[/url]" in Mar. While there I will see if I can get some feedback. If that's okay that is. "Dirt" is a film about soil which will fit in with "Teaming With Microbes".
I will definitely get a copy of that move, though it may be a few weeks, are they limited? I just spent a bunch of tax money on lawn and garden stuff. I will actually be following in Paul's footsteps for my lawn care this year. I Found his site last summer and have been going back to it quite a bit for reference and to watch the movies. He seems like a great person, and very knowledgeable.
Thanks for the heads up.
Dono
I will definitely get a copy of that move, though it may be a few weeks, are they limited? I just spent a bunch of tax money on lawn and garden stuff. I will actually be following in Paul's footsteps for my lawn care this year. I Found his site last summer and have been going back to it quite a bit for reference and to watch the movies. He seems like a great person, and very knowledgeable.
Thanks for the heads up.
Dono
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Many people are not aware that they don't have to use pollutants to have a successful garden. There are many companion plants that can achieve the same result as pesticides, and at the same time provide a useful bi product. Many industries are economically co- dependant that we do not get this information , so they can continue selling their products and polluting our lakes and rivers. Be apart of the solution , research companion planting, or check our site buildavictorygarden.com....... Getting excited; planting season is just about here, finally our first reaL THAW HAS ARRIVED. Time to have your game plan in order. happy planting to all.
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Now that's a great first post. Welcome aboard.Graymatter wrote:Many people are not aware that they don't have to use pollutants to have a successful garden. There are many companion plants that can achieve the same result as pesticides, and at the same time provide a useful bi product. Many industries are economically co- dependant that we do not get this information , so they can continue selling their products and polluting our lakes and rivers. Be apart of the solution , research companion planting, or check our site buildavictorygarden.com....... Getting excited; planting season is just about here, finally our first reaL THAW HAS ARRIVED. Time to have your game plan in order. happy planting to all.
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GM hits the nail squarely on the head. The nitrogen fertilizer industry and the oil lobby are joined at the juncture of 4 gallons of bunker oil to make a fifty pound bag of fertilizer. The recipe starts by heating air to 800 degrees or so; not the greenest product even before we get it to the garden, where it kill off soil biology and runs into lakes, streams, and eventually, the ocean...Many industries are economically co- dependant that we do not get this information , so they can continue selling their products and polluting our lakes and rivers.
Nice post GM!
See you around, I hope...
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Sneak preview very well recieved; working towards the state premiere...[url=https://sharing.theflip.com/session/190eae52bf945e693b65fc8ad4be7a6a/video/11067031]Here's some video[/url]I shot with my friend Nancy from Natureworks, one of Connecticut's original greens...
Enjoy! And spread the word...
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Enjoy! And spread the word...
HG