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I made a rookie mistake with manure! SOS!

Help! What should I do?

My boyfriend (ooh look he got demoted from DH, lol!!!) forced me to use manure when I planted my garden this year. I literally didn't want to because I didn't know anything about it and I trusted him because he forced me to trust him. In retrospect, it was my responsibility to research everything myself before doing anything but he was so adamant about using it I just did.

(Omg, he asked me 5 times a day when I was planting

did you use manure when you planted
did you use enough manure
make sure to put enough manure)

I made the ultra rookie mistake under his guidance of putting the manure in when I planted the plants we bought from the store.

You DO NOT want to make this mistake!

I guess the good news is that it wasn't a disease?

the bad news is that I took a leaf to the nursery store and they told me I was supposed to wait months before planting the plants after I put the manure in the ground. he suggested I replace all of the plants.

my question is:

could the plants be moved to another location to be saved?

they are ... ugh, they aren't growing well at all, but if I moved them (tomato plants and maybe a basil) , would they/could they continue to grow normally somewhere that wasn't manured?

what about if I put them into a container with good dirt?

I thought maybe I could clone them, but when I looked to find a spot of new growth/the part you would take I realized the new growth was all spindly crazy awful ... so... :(

Should I just scrap all the plants or is there a way to save them? I'm willing to do whatever, thanks!

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Oooh....

There are two different situations going on here I think.

You don't want to use fresh (un composted) manure in the garden at planting, and the usual recommendation is to wait 3-6 months I believe. Fresh manure can burn plants, but moreover, it has to do with pathogens coming in contact with food plants, especially root crops and greens and vegs that are eaten raw, but also some organisms can be taken up into the plants. In this case, I'm not sure that saving the existing plants is the answer.

I'm wondering if in your location, the best spring growning season might be drawing to a close, and you could possibly just let the garden rest while it's too hot in the summer to grow, then plant for the fall season.


Now, at the end you said the new growths are "crazy spindly" -- this may be indication that your plants were affected by residual herbicide in the manure that passed through the animal after eating fodder grown in herbicide treated hay field. THIS would be a more serious problem. You may want to post some photos.
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Ooh, now I understand why I often read helpful gardeners say they're sorry for being clueless: (not that they should apologize! But now I know the feeling intensely!)

Not all manure is created equal/the same at all.

My manure was already aged, if that helps? I got it from a big store.

Sooo, there are ... toxins / residues / etc that could/would be [possibly] taken up into the tomatoes/vegetables/etc if the manure doesn't sit in the ground for a few months?

What about if the manure says it's already aged on the package?

This sucks. At first I felt a little bit better it wasn't my fault (aside from not researching EVERYTHING enough, epic detriment, hah) but now I feel like I have a yucky ugly crapshoot.

I already kind of fixed the problem as far as the tomatoes, hah. (For what it's worth!) Or I bought 3 huge disease resistant plants that were bigger than all the manure exploded plants anyway and installed them in places without manure.

And I have 7 seedlings laying around that aren't in their forever homes yet. They can go in a container if necessary. All is not lost. Okay okay I'm just trying to make myself feel better now! :lol:

How dangerous would it be eat any of this stuff?

Awwww, dang, I really feel like I am going through the stages of grief here. >_<

I told my boyfriend before this all even happened/before I realised our manure problem that I was looking forward to next year, and he got all offended and asked me if I was giving up on this year/summer. L-O-L!

That is like a total irony clusterf foreshadow when it comes out he may have done something to force both our garden AND his mother's garden to shut down for the summer. At least I already had the right idea by looking forward to next season. :roll:

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It says "composted chicken manure"
"Ready to use"

Lol, I realized I gave you 10,000 details but not the real pie.

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Another detail: I put the manure in 26 days ago.

The man I talked to at a garden center (i brought him a piece of the plant and he said there wasn't a disease and it was a fertilization problem) said that I would want to put the manure in at least 90 days before harvest time of whatever I was planting.

I AM a little annoyed the manure bag didn't mention a word about that, kind of the opposite, hah, "Ready to Use" as opposed to "Use 90 days before harvest" - but once again, ahah, buyer beware of EVERYTHING or ELSE!

(Sorry for triple post >_<)

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Composted manure should be just fine to add at planting time.

We sure would like to see some pictures of your plants!
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The thing about manures is that they are high in salt and chicken manure will make your soil more alkaline especially if you add a lot of it.

It should be mixed well into the soil. I don't use chicken manure anymore because two of my plots are already alkaline and I have alkaline compost so I don't need it. I use steer manure instead and I only use one 3/4 cu ft bag per 100 sq ft.

Manure needs to be hot composted to kill pathogens or aged for 120 days. You can use it on non edibles and on edibles you will not harvest for at least that long. Usually you can plant after 90 days because most plants will take at least 4-12 weeks to mature.

If you can spread the soil you mixed around and add more soil and compost to dilute it. There still needs to be a balance between soil, organic matter and drainage. I usually don't add more tha 3 inches to the garden, more than that will throw the pH off and I will have problems with the clay soil staying too wet for too long.
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here's the evidence :oops:

the worst one
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Was this plot always used for gardening?
Has the area been treated with herbicide like weednfeed prior to planting?
Are all the plants lookin like this?
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That looks like pretty classic herbicide damage to me.

Will add pictures from my garden 2 years ago later.
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Lindsaylew82 wrote:Was this plot always used for gardening?
Has the area been treated with herbicide like weednfeed prior to planting?
Are all the plants lookin like this?
Part of the plot has been used for gardening for the last 4 years. The other part was just weeds/overgrown. I am pretty sure that there has not been any weed and feed going on in either plot. Oh geez. Well, last year they did pay a lawn company to clear out the area. I will ask the person who paid for the lawn service in the backyard if they sprayed anything, but I am leaning towards no because there was a vegetable garden still producing when they did the lawn work last year. (20 feet away from the area)

I'm crossing my fingers on the no on the weed poison spraying though. Before I planted the tomato I posted a picture of, I had to dig through a gnarly patch of super healthy crabgrass and other stuff and there were like 45 weird tuber things and morning glories and a ton of weeds I'd never seen before, it all looked very healthy with a billion spiders and rolly pollys and worms and what have you.

AND:

Yeah. All the plants are looking like this. Some seem to be doing better than others. The ones that got the least manure are doing much better than the ones who got the most.

Eww, I am hating the idea of herbicide in my garden. I have tried to do everything organic in my garden. :(

I have stressed repeatedly (stressed as in taught the importance of) not using pesticides around the food stuff to my MIL too. Waaah.

Okay I need to get back to positive.

It feels kind of funny that I fought my boyfriend on the subject of manure. He wanted to do it and I said I didn't need it but he kept talking about it allllllll the time then bought it then made me apply it

And it is kind of funny. His mother did great without us, and I let her son mess her & I all up. Funny like a black tragedy funny maybe. :|

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Thank you everyone for helping :)

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Oooh I just remembered:

Okay so I used both aged steer and aged chicken manure...

In both places ... on most of the plants
But of course I don't remember which
We started out on steer manure but then he randomly decided that chicken manure cost more it most be better? (I dunno how he thinks especially when it doesn't pan out, lol)

And the plants that are mine have way less manure
(Ugh, isn't that terrible, his poor mother got lots more than I would put on my own)

A part of me must have realized he was forcing me to do something I didn't know the outcome of exactly. Woah. I have been trying to struggle to say I didn't have an intuitive notion here but I guess I did

I barely put any manure in the tomato seedlings forever containers. !!!
(They are my first seedlings and I protected them O:) )

If I spared the babies and only put a tiny bit on my tomatoes in containers, that means I felt so weird about it I opted out of it pretty much while still trying to appease the DH.

Which does mean something. (Haha, that I didn't let my DH screw all the tomatoes up, yay!)

Anyway, what I meant to say was that:

The tomatoes in containers got a little bit of either chicken or steer manure (or maybe just chicken, ugh, okay, for sure they got some chicken and possibly some steer) but just a tiny bit mixed with 5 gallons of bags worth of soil in a 7 gallon grow bag

Or a similar sized clay pot

& they have the same creepy look as the picture I posted... when you look closely,but they are all already much older and the symptoms weren't so obvious.. the leaves were only slightly smaller instead of totally curled up like the ones in the picture

BUT I could tell it was the same exact thing, just in a lesser severity.

I didn't notice it until I checked them specifically for smaller leaves. (And I stare at them regularly. They are flowering and I didn't see any growth related issues.)

AND

About a month ago, I did notice my zucchini plant having ... ugh, the same !!!-ing deal - it had scrunched up leaves

It had something I had seen on this forum, hahah. >_< (I read this forum for like 2000 hours and I have a photographic memory... but I forgot exactly what this was)

When I saw the scrunched up leaves I knew it was way no bueno
But I thought I may of been being paranoid after reading about...

All the blights and mildews and leaf curls and plagues in the world...

I thought (or hoped) that I was just being paranoid in thinking the leaves on the zucchini looked funny, I know now, they were suffering from whatever the tomatoes were suffering from in the manure too... I wasn't just paranoid!

The zucchini leaves straightened themselves out and I didn't have any problems with anything else in the same plot so I forgot about it...

Until... of course... the heavily manured plants went wonky. :(

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Oops, sorry, I meant to add:

"I know that the tomato plants I have at my house with similar although less severe symptoms, which were given a smaller dose of aged composted manure - were not sprayed with anything like weed n feed ever"

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https://coloradomountaingardener.blogspo ... y.html?m=1

Check out that!

These are the pictures of mine. 3 out of the 4 recovered, but produced very poorly... 1 didn't produce at all, and look very similar to yours.
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This was when I first saw damage. They longer they grew, the more spindles they looked.
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I agree that this is very likely to be due to herbicide. If container plants as well as in-ground, then most likely to be air-borne.

Could it be that someone in your neighborhood had sprayed and they got hit with wind drift? That would explain how they ALL have this.

Do you live anywhere near farm fields where they actually aerial spray? I have heard horror stories of "fog of death" creeping down hill.
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These tomatoes of mine got water runoff downhill from my neighbor, who used weed and feed granules on his lawn. He also completely killed off 2 rows of okra and half of my beans. My tomatoes were growing in raised rows which is why I think the damage wasn't as bad as it COULD have been. Bad enough though...

I hate that for you... I don't know that I would replace the plants right now either...

Are there any power lines around? The power company here sprays around the poles and where the anchors are.. That stuff really drifts, and they're not really careful about how they spray.
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Yes. Yep. Ahuh. That's it.

The container plants and the plants in the ground are on different properties a few miles away...

It's possible/obvious there's herbicide in the manures then? Even the chicken manure?

Is herbicide-y food "safe" to eat if you wash the hell out of it?

What a mess. :( Thanks for all the sympathy truly. O:)

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I am under a powerline, LOL. (The place with the containers)

Lalala, going to also crawl under a rock. Jk

But the place with in ground tomatoes in the picture is not under a powerline

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If you buy conventionally grown food at the grocery store, then it would be no different. If those plants produced, I would be SERIOUSLY shocked...

Not only that, but bugs will flock to these because they're weakened.
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I was thinking to myself, all the different scenarios,
And I was thinking, "Oooh wouldn't it be awful if they WERE spraying poison aerially in both places" or all the way from here to there.

Okay, I have finally been convinced that it is time to scrap the worst plants and take a trip to the nursery and buy a 6 pack of disease resistance tomatoes and call it a season. Hah.

Before the summer sets in and its too late. / Lest they Burn by the sun instead of fertilization issues or flying death fogs. >_<

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Ooooh I just realized there is a silver lining, heheh

I was too early this season besides misusing herbacidey manure
And in having jumped the gun
I'm pretty sure I'll have enough time to press the reset button before it hits 100 degrees, hah.

(It's never quite too late or too early if you really try, hah. But I mean, once it's 100 degrees all the time I wouldn't wanna watch a baby tomato seedling try to cope with that while being too young, hah.)

I guess I will if I have to, but I was trying to be too early to try to avoid that. :P

But yay, at least I have a ton of babies to restart with already. $5 for a handfulla babies from the store and I can fix it all up. And if that don't work out, I'll have a master plan next year. I did, however, say "Tomatoes or bust" this year & I meant it. :cool:

My container tomato seedlings are happy & without deformities in their coddled nurseries and growing perfect, knock on wood!

+bright side!

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So... Disease resistance is a non variable here. :(

If the issue is herbicide in the soil, from the manure, disease resistance is irrelevant. It doesn't matter. If they had a contact topically (as in sprayed) the same type you have now should do alright if you replace them. I'm more inclined to say it's in the manure, because you have normal looking growth at the bottom of the plants, and the new growth is deformed. Same at my house... A cheap 6 pack is $2-ish bucks here. I say try it, but don't go spending a whole bunch on the project.

Your zone looks like it has a good opportunity for later plantings. Maybe you could do some starts from seed? Might be a fun project, and you wouldn't need to start them indoors, just out on a porch somewhere. Then transplant. Very little $$$ invested!
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That article said something about adding charcoal to the soil.
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Whether or not it was sprayed from the sky or in the maure, I'm not sure but

We won't be using manure I didn't compost myself and cuddle some livestock first for again (because cuddling livestock makes their manure purer and made with love instead of herbicides! <-- a joke.)

Nobody will spray anything (except demons from the sky out of my control, hah)

And we will invest $5 in happy new tomato plants and see how that works out. If it doesn't, hey, it wasn't my fault (it was DH! Nananabooboo), and with my friends at HG I did all I could do. I, sure as the birds and bees, learned a valuable lesson. :)

Oooh, I wasn't trying to insinuate that disease resistant plants would make a difference with the wonky soil making them grow funky or getting damaged from herbicides, hehe.

I just noticed my DH picked out a bunch of kinds that had no disease resistance and we had problems with diseases last year no one but me seems to of taken seriously.... (I was the only one who crawled deep into the plants to harvest the tomatoes when they were ripe - I was the only one who seems to remember how I got covered in yellow mildew that stained my skin? I tried not to spread it to my garden/i don't wear the same clothes or shoes and I take showers immediately in between gardens/after working in the gardens.)

Meep! I have tried to explain to DH and MIL how serious blight and mildew are but they don't understand what it is or how to prevent it or that they NEED to prevent it. So that is why I mandated disease resistance, in irrelevance certainly. :)

I am learning about how to prevent fungal and bacterial problems in organic ways - I recently learned prevention is king.

The article did say to use activated charcoal for the spindly problem, I will call to see how much that stuff costs and if it isn't too expensive give it a go.

I think what I will do is

Dig up all the manured soil and plants and replace each area with soil that didn't have anything added to it,
Then add some storebought for the ground soil on top of it

Then everything should be really good, I can't see why that wouldn't totally solve it. (Sans death fog from above/etc)

P.S. I love physical labor in the garden... so... err, I don't know, don't cry for me, digging is my favorite hobby and this project isn't an entire disaster, more like an opportunity to get a little more fit. When I run out of room in my plot I go find other plots to dig.. so I mean, I have all the time in the world to do this and I'm happy to as opposed to really dreading it.

I mean, some people could really be pissed at having to replace everything & I really am trying to and succeeding in taking this in stride and just trying to solve the problem rather than being deterred, disturbed, or overly offput. :D

This thread has been like therapy, hahah, priceless! <3.

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When I said I was learning how to "deal with fungal/bacterial problems in organic ways" I didn't mean that I had tried non-organic ways first.

I am a new gardener and have been towards organic from the beginning and am only trying to become more organic. :)

I freak out at the suggestion of pesticides or herbicides. >_<

Poor plants, they have to do worse than just freak out when they're fed that poison. :'(

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OH! I'm SO glad you didn't treat your whole garden!!!! Digging sound like a really awesome idea!

That green yellow stuff on your hands is sap from the tomato plants. It's a rite of passage! :() If my hands and forearms aren't covered, I didn't have enough garden time. I secretly think it has soul healing powers, that sap! ;P it sounds like you have a good plan! Best of luck to you!

I live in a muggy area. There is no prevention here. I manage it as best as I can. Keep things as clean as I can. Doesn't matter...it always comes here. I grow what I like to eat! Regardless of resistance!

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^^^ What Lindsay said :()

Tomato stems and foliage feel damp because of that substance dripping from the hairs (I think). It reacts with soap (alkaline) and turn bright yellow. I use a lot of Oxyclean -- which is even higher in pH than soap and at first stains everything before it starts to work....

I have a suspicion that we are absorbing at least small amounts of solanine and nicotine through our skin... :| (says the crazy tomato lady Image ) -- ACTUALLY, I think I mentioned this before and someone said if so, the amount is negligible. :>

I love your enthusiasm PPP :wink:
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I love your enthusiasm PPP :wink:
Me too!!!
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I don't think it is herbicide mainly because she said it has always been a veggie garden. Most landscaping guys will not touch the veggie garden unless you tell them to and while there could have been overspray, it should have shown up on the plants that were there at the time.

I don't put manure or compost in pots. It has not worked out. Manure is just too strong and too salty. I have used vermicast in my potting mixes but only a handful and that has not harmed anything.

I doubt the plants in the pots got sprayed with herbicide and most people are using a potting mix not digging up the dirt from the yard, at least I hope not. Wilted tips and brown ends are usually what I see from fertilizer burn. I have done that in the past even with osmocote. I don't see much herbicide damage but I have seen spray damage from bleach which leaves white spots on the leaves. I got that after I cleaned the algae off the heads of the mist bench and it turned on before I had the chance to rinse the heads off.

Ideally it helps to wait about a month after manure, compost and fertilizer is well worked into the soil before planting to get everything to settle and give the organic fertilizers time to release their nutrients. Too much nitrogen fertilizer will cause rampant growth at the expense of fruit. You can underplant the tomatoes with some nitrogen scavengers to suck up some of the excess fertilizer, and you can try to leach the fertilizer out, but that is still not good for the environment. The best would be to do a soil test and only add the amounts recommended.
https://homeguides.sfgate.com/reverse-ni ... 28444.html

Your bottom leaves look ok. Herbicides are systemic so usually there are systemic and contact damage.
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Your bottom leaves look ok. Herbicides are systemic so usually there are systemic and contact damage.
https://ag.tennessee.edu/herbicidestewa ... tomato.pdf
Figures 18, 24, and 30 of your own link look very much identical to the picture that PPP posted. In my own garden, I had normal leaf growth up until my neighbor's application. That never changed. What was grown up until then stayed the same with the exception of the growing tips at the ends of the fronds, and they were only faintly ruffled. The images in the link are also fairly immature plants...
Tomatoes are reeeeeeally sensitive to herbicide. I will have to go back and look again at her picture, but I didn't notice anything that looked like burning from an overabundance of nitrogen from hot manure. It looks exactly like my plants looked. Exactly. And I've never used any manure or chemical nitrogen source in this garden.
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https://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/garde ... ntaminants
How to Test Compost for Herbicide Contamination

Do You Need To Test Your Compost For Contaminants?Persistent residues from herbicides can harm your plants.by PAM BECK JULY 7, 2015

a simple bioassay test devised by Washington State University that can be done at home before adding the compost to your garden.

1. Fill three 3-inch pots with potting soil. Fill three more pots with a mixture of two parts compost and one part potting soil. Mark the pots.

2. Plant three pea or bean seeds per pot and keep them watered. Capture any water that drains from the pots so it doesn't contaminate soil in other pots.

3. Put the pots in a sunny, warm place. Once the seedlings have three sets of leaves, compare the plants growing in the compost mix with the control group in potting soil. Unusual cupping, thickening, or distortion of leaves signals the possibility of herbicide contamination in the compost.
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Re: I made a rookie mistake with manure! SOS!

Omg I already tested it inadvertently :eek:

I planted sugar snap peas... like two or 3 months ago :(

I planted 20 seeds, 3 came up. 2 might've been eaten by snails. One lonely pea lived molested by snails. . .

I planted 20 more pea seeds ... waited forever ...

0 sprouted

Now I know why. The second round I really babied, especially with a live pea plant already (it survived)

And then I planted blue lake pole beans there last week. :|

It has been quite a while since I laid the manure though, and it rained quite a bit in addition to being watered consistently since then, sooo hey

Now I also know why my basil and lovage most likely didn't sprout either in the manured mess of a nursery. It wasn't for lack of trying! <3.

Thank the heavens I only put a tiny bit and mixed it in really well. Ewww. I didn't know how great I had it by having a little plot with soil that grew things more fine before someone messed it up! :o

I feel better, thanks everyone! I don't know what I woulda done without you.

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Re: I made a rookie mistake with manure! SOS!

Lol, so I didn't really do the test I got overexcited

Warning: valley girl omg ahoy alert, please excuse my shamless omgs I could edit them out but they're organic! ;) <3

But I did notice I meant that the sugar snap pea was... looking all funky and being tiny. I think I saw some sprout and die but I assumed it was snails eating them.

(The snails are under control and now know my organic squishing sluggo wrath)

And the pea is still growing. The other peas were put in so recently I am not sure whether or not they are ... showing signs of unhappiness?

I will go look, lol.

Oooh! The peas I put in like last weekend look more than fine. :D

And even the surviving sugar snap pea looks happy, it is climbing ^_^

Now I digress, I must:

In other irrelevant news my cactus has its first flower of the season
(Well omg it has 14 flowers!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Last year it had two.)

And the first one is all HUGE and threatening to open it looks intense. I have to take pictures.

And now I know why the chamomile plant went insane... (not letting the maure sit in the soil for a month, ugh)

It shot up like 3 feet when I put it in the ground and fell over everywhere. It made at least 50 if not 100 flowers and was too pretty for me to want to pick them, even if it meant I couldn't eat them or they would go to seed or it would die. >_<

I thought I would like fresh chamomile, I liked dried chamomile tea... but oh gosh, fresh chamomile feels like a real sedative for me. :shock:

I drink chamomile blended in with other tea herbs and then I don't want to keep my eyes focused on things or go out, lol! I didn't take it seriously until one day I drank a huge glass before going to a thrift store

O-m-g, I love thrift stores and before the fresh chamomile tea I had been all excited, and we get into the car and !!!
I couldn't want to keep my eyes open. And it was such a night and day change I couldn't believe it. And I decided I didn't even like the feeling. But I loved how the chamomile looked, so woohoo now it's an invasive ornamental. I digress madly.

Any way, that grew all weird too, but I didn't know how it was supposed to grow in the first place. Now I know. :)

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Re: I made a rookie mistake with manure! SOS!

^ I meant of course shameless & not shamless, & of course I wanted to clarify I was not driving cars while under the influence of chamomile with my eyes closed. :eek:

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Re: I made a rookie mistake with manure! SOS!

If the steer has been fed heavily sprayed crops the residues in their manure can very well be enough to cause this. There are numerous scientific reports that supports this.

So i would if possible check with the source of the manure.
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Re: I made a rookie mistake with manure! SOS!

PinkPetalPolygon wrote:

Warning: valley girl omg ahoy alert, please excuse my shamless omgs I could edit them out but they're organic! ;) <3

I have never been in any way offended by oh my goshes or oh my goodnesses; don't worry about it. :wink:

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Re: I made a rookie mistake with manure! SOS!

Here is an update, and also a pretty long rant about people dumping poisons onto the lovely landscapes we all have to share as people after the update. And more!

In the short version:

I replaced the tomato plants! Try, try again. The End. Humanity continues. Or so I hope!*

*Am I able to hope this!?! What a mess we're making. Jay kay. *waves her human flag*

Long version as follows!:

I spent all day Saturday fixing everything. I did other stuff too, not just replacing 7 tomatoes. I replaced 7 tomato plants though. I will try to stay on topic tonight, :mrgreen: (and kind of fail) , but to suffice to say I did other stuff that amused me too. I feel strong and accomplished. My DH certainly helped. We actually worked well together while replacing the tomatoes. :)

I moved the manured soil out and added some not ever anything added to it soil, in addition to some organic storebought soil for the ground, and prayed to the earth. Hah. Then planted ... & watered & mulched & put on tomato cages.

Okay. So, the plants that were the least effected / had the least amount of stunted/messed up growth seem to actually been straightening out very quickly. (Yay! That is nice to see even if I replaced most of them. That gives me hope for the new tomato plants and that the remaining tomatoes' fruit might exist or maybe not contain too much awful toxic stuff in the fruit itself, knock on the woodiest wood. )

I am fairly confident this is a true observation and not wishful thinking, that whatever it is that was messing them all up is wearing off. One of the plants I marked for removal was looking so good I took it out of the ground and put it in a container.

(leaves were straightening out / it was growing bigger / or the new growth was not making me wince and want to throw it out? / it was flowering and not looking terrible / it improved so drastically I felt like it earned a chance, DH can be the one to eat all those tomatoes - the guilty guinea pig! I won't even tell him but he will just be the one to get all those tomatoes on his salad while I have unsullied tomatoes, justice served. He wouldn't necessarily object even if I reminded him every time I fed him a herbicided tomato that it was an herbicided one, but I won't tell him because eww, how appetizing. This is all 1000% his fault anyway and he wanted to keep it too. So a done deal.)

I laughed and put it in a 7 gallon container with clean potting soil. If she doesn't look more than happy after a week or two in her clean container then I will give her container to something that makes me happier but any way. :P

We got a cute companion plant for the tomatoes! ^_^
A cinnamon basil. I always wanted one but I was scared I wouldn't like it as much as the green basil and feel as if I made a season long mistake. I was/am probably just being silly in that regard. My MIL picked out the cinnamon basil and I was over the moon actually (aka happy as a clam, hah? :D)

I gave this shrub between the tomatoes and the pumpkin/zucchini/gourd patch a deep trim and extended the garden bed with more bricks (it isn't a raised bed, just one with a brick border)
Just so the cinnamon basil could be with the tomatoes but not suffocating them, inaccessible for harvest, or otherwise in the way.

Everything looked so AWESOME after we replaced the wonky plants!!! My DH is the one that pointed it out. As soon as the weirdo misshapen tortured plants were taken out to pasture, it was like the bad feelings were all lifted from the landscape too and taken back into idealism. ^_^

I would even venture to ascertain we had literal "fun" replacing the tomatoes when it was all said and done.

And I must reiterate: the way the damaged tomato plants were already recovering is VERY encouraging. Definitely made me feel a lot less doomed!

(Although I am willing to accept whatever the outcome is. I tried my best! I think I even had an okay attitude throughout most of it, hah. But omg I'm glad that is all over. If things go south again I still have 7 seedlings! Tomatoes or bust I said and tomatoes or bust I meant!)

Goodness golly gosh miss Molly, heavens to Betsy !

I am so looking forward to next year. With the forciest of forces I could ever had. No bleeping poison damage, I don't even mind, knock on wood, if that 13 year swarm of locusts or whatever the bleep it was comes down and eats everything I grow next year -

I swear that would feel better than being poisoned by poison manure stuff that was supposed to help me, not hinder me. :lol:

I'd rather feed bugs (that feed birds or lizards or other bugs/etc) that get fried by human-put poisons. At least I wouldn't have some corporation to be mad at and I could just come try to curse the bugs organically with my friends at HG.

I am not quite mad at one thing in particular, I am just mad at the whole sham of a ... (here I go ranting, oops!)

I am mad at the whole direction of my country as far as pesticides, herbicides, and poisons go. This is ridiculous. I go into [big box stores] and see untold gallons of poisons for sale and the directions say to pour them onto the land. :shock:. & my understanding is that we are "regulated" (aka imagine places that aren't regulated? Meep!)

And then the part where every piece of earth is a part of the whole!?

Yeah, I can see why people dream of growing stuff on different planets to get the bleep outta here! :rolleyes:

We are poisoning all the life to death including ourselves. :lol:
Because the men who sell the poison
Sell the poison and say it's not really poison to everything
But it's definitely poison to everything.

They don't care. If they say it's poison to only some things, they get $
If they say it's poison to everything like it clearly is, they don't get $ because they can't sell their product. Their product whose result is a collapse of the food chain.

I'm being totally general here/not spearheading one product, I think I was able to let it not effect me so fully, like okay, " "they're" spraying poison everywhere and I can just opt out"

But when stores sell manure (or any other product for gardening) that have pesticides/herbicides/bad juju for living stuff in them for any reason, and ... I see ... people buying it, thinking it will help them - and then it becomes a deep detriment to their ability OR THE ABILITY OF THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM to "grow anything" it feels like something somewhere is very broken.

You know? Even if I had waited for the herbicides to wear off ?

I still didn't want to put them into my soil in the first place...

That herbicides are able to be included in a bag of any substance sold to be put into your ground and labeled as "Ready to Use" is more than ridiculous, or offputting, in my opinion, it's wrong.

Even if that isn't/wasn't my particular problem (though I do believe it is/was - that there was herbicide in the store bought manure I used)

The pictures of the effect of weed and feed on vegetable crops / the effects of all that differently formulated poison crap still allows me to stand behind my rant, even if I wasn't personally affected this year, people are dumping poisons into our world that cripple the ability to grow ... ability for anything to grow for any reason... whether we want it to grow or not, indiscriminate vegetative destruction. I feel like we are dumping weapons of mass destruction on ourselves and the fact that anything ever grew anywhere with this stuff, and the fact that everything ever grew is hand in fact that we ever lived how we ever did.

Our ability to grow food, domesticating crops, and being able to find food that the earth happened to be growing is how we... are able to live. Not to mention how ... uhm... foraging is how all the other animals are able to live also. :shock:

This all feels so wrong I feel like I should be picketing somewhere. :lol:
I probably should be.

I think I know talking about it makes me feel better about it so thank you for allowing me this venue as opposed to me sitting silently with the horror of the state of things. :P

I did find a
Ooooh I almost dropped the F bomb, hahah

I did find a bleeping empty bottle of "Round Up" under the garden sink in the garden with the plant in the picture I posted that had probably been used 5 years ago. It can't explain for the damage that was in the plants in the place that had already been a garden for 4 years, so I have to place blame on the manure ultimately.

They owner of that garden absolutely know not to use any of that liquid kill stuff ever again now that there is a veggie garden. (I personally strive toward organic, but I even noticed there is organic stuff that harms bees and/or amphibians which makes me feel strange about the whole realm of stuff you spray on your veggies that has side effects to the whole ecosystem, or any part of it really. Although I have to notice I have something like extreme empathy for all living things / systems / the earth as a whole - and I really do question how my gardening effects the whole picture. I try to be only beneficial... that means I can't fry the bees or frogs with a good conscious! Nor would I want to try to play the ignorance is bliss game. :P)

I just had a great thought! I used to be annoyed when the crabgrass and weeds would come from under the fence into my garden. Oh boy! Now I can be thrilled with that happening. It means the plot next door isn't rounding me out to the pasture with poison! One less pet peeve in the world for me to have - for real!

& - thank you both (Lindsay and Apple & possibly someone else also <3)
Who were telling me healthy tomato plants always ooze yellow!?! I mean, that when you harvest a big huge tomato plant and you're covered in yellow stuff it's not necessarily a disease at all (:lol:) - and that tomatoes ooze yellow stuff when they are tomatoes no matter what? :o

I had no idea in the world and I always had a terrible feeling when I saw all the sap like it was death ooze!!! That would really make sense. It seemed very different! Now that you mention the whole tobacco/tomato family deal - it really WAS something ooze-y and a sap, not a mildew. (At least on the subject of my experiences last year.) :)

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Re: I made a rookie mistake with manure! SOS!

Of course you can only notice sexism after you press enter, teehee:

"We are poisoning all the life to death including ourselves.
Because the men who sell the poison
Sell the poison and say it's not really poison to everything
But it's definitely poison to everything."

Of course I meant

We are poisoning all the life to death including ourselves.
Because the men and evil evil evil women who sell the poison
Sell the poison and say it's not really poison to everything
But it's definitely poison to everything.

<3.

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BAAAHAHAHA!
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