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Creating a wisteria bonsai

I have a large, mature wisteria in my backyard, and I'd like to make a bonsai from one of its vines. I've read that wisteria bonsai that are grown from seed take about 10 years to blossom. Will a clipping from a mature wisteria blossom sooner?

Also, I'm trying to decide between air layering for new roots, or using a root-growing medium. Any suggestions, anecdotes or insights would be appreciated.

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Re: Creating a wisteria bonsai

yardtender,

Welcome to the forum :D

I am afraid I am not quite clear on a bit of your post, Perhaps you could clarify it for me.
I have a large, mature wisteria in my backyard, and I'd like to make a bonsai from one of its vines. I've read that wisteria bonsai that are grown from seed take about 10 years to blossom. Will a clipping from a mature wisteria blossom sooner?
Sooner? Nothing about being a cutting would make it bloom any sooner as far as I know. It is a mature tree already, A cutting from it should have mature foliage on it already if I understand the question correctly.
Also, I'm trying to decide between air layering for new roots, or using a root-growing medium. Any suggestions, anecdotes or insights would be appreciated.
Sorry, I'm afraid I don't understand the distinction your making here? Air layering IS using a root growing medium.... I don't follow this sorry. Wisteria do root easily.

A care sheet on Wisteria for you. https://www.bonsai4me.com/SpeciesGuide/Wisteria.html

Good luck

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Yardtender,
I've read that wisteria bonsai that are grown from seed take about 10 years to blossom. Will a clipping from a mature wisteria blossom sooner?
It is my understanding that the answer to your question is yes, a cutting from a mature vine will flower sooner than a seedling. I've lost a seedling grown plant this past winter, it was at least ten years old and never showed any sign of flowering so I only have experience with half of this equation.
Also, I'm trying to decide between air layering for new roots, or using a root-growing medium. Any suggestions, anecdotes or insights would be appreciated.
I don't really understand this either. Are you making a distinction between layering and cuttings?

Ynot,
Nothing about being a cutting would make it bloom any sooner as far as I know.
It is a mature tree already, A cutting from it should have mature foliage on it already
These two statements appear somewhat contradictory to me, perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Since a cutting does, as you say, have mature wood it should flower sooner than a seedling. This, and the variability inherent with seedlings, is why some species such as Wisteria and Malus are not usually propagated by seed.

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Yardtender & Ynot,

A little further research seems to indicate that the primary reason to avoid seedlings from wisteria is the variability that I mentioned. A layered or cutting grown plant avoids this difficulty by maintaining identical genetics to the original, presumably superior, cultivar. So the answer to the question is to go with a cutting or a layer but the why is still a little unclear to me.

I know that with Malus, asexual reproduction can cut years from the time it takes to flower. This may also play some part with Wisteria as well.

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Ah, Ok Gnome sorry for the confusion here, I am not sure where the seedling comparison comes in...As I didn't mention seedlings at all.:

This was the original question
yardtender wrote: I have a large, mature wisteria in my backyard, and I'd like to make a bonsai from one of its vines. I've read that wisteria bonsai that are grown from seed take about 10 years to blossom. Will a clipping from a mature wisteria blossom sooner?


ynot wrote:Nothing about being a cutting would make it bloom any sooner as far as I know.
[Perhaps my reply should have been 'Sooner than what?' ;) ] I understood YT to mean 'Sooner than the original donor of the cutting'

- [And if that is correct..] I do not see why the cutting would flower sooner, Later or any differently from the mother plant.
It is a mature tree already, A cutting from it should have mature foliage on it already

Gnome wrote:These two statements appear somewhat contradictory to me, perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Since a cutting does, as you say, have mature wood it should flower sooner than a seedling. This, and the variability inherent with seedlings, is why some species such as Wisteria and Malus are not usually propagated by seed.
Again I am not sure if this clears it up, But I did not mention seedlings at all. I agree the sentences in olive above are true, But it is also the first time seedlings has come up in this thread. I didn't get the impression YT was referring to saplings anywhere in the OP. I could be mistaken about this.

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Ynot,
I am not sure where the seedling comparison comes in...As I didn't mention seedlings at all.:
No, you did not but the OP did and as you were responding to this question I assumed you were as well.
I've read that wisteria bonsai that are grown from seed take about 10 years to blossom. Will a clipping from a mature wisteria blossom sooner?
Perhaps my reply should have been 'Sooner than what?'
Yes, that might had avoided some confusion.
I do not see why the cutting would flower sooner, Later or any differently from the mother plant.
I agree, but I don't believe that was the question originally posted. No problem though.

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Re: Creating a wisteria bonsai

yardtender wrote:I have a large, mature wisteria in my backyard, and I'd like to make a bonsai from one of its vines. I've read that wisteria bonsai that are grown from seed take about 10 years to blossom. Will a clipping from a mature wisteria blossom sooner?
You're right Gnome, We were both attempting to answer the blue.

I see I interpreted the question incorrectly. :? Somehow, I did not connect the seed sentence to the question [Structure? & I missed it :oops:].

..Sorry for the confusion.:?

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Ynot,
I see I interpreted the question incorrectly. Somehow, I did not connect the seed sentence to the question [Structure? & I missed it ].

..Sorry for the confusion.
Not a problem. Now that the question is better defined, I think, what do you know about the seedling VS cutting issue?

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Gnome wrote: Not a problem. Now that the question is better defined, I think, what do you know about the seedling VS cutting issue?
My understanding of this is that the cutting will retain the mature characteristics of the mother plant. [Not saying the foliage cannot revert. some more research is required.]

This would put it years ahead of the seedling wrt flowering.

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