tomato girl
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Micro blue bugs and funny looking poo??!

Can someone please help me?
We finally had some rain last night and when I checked my tomatos, only on one tomato plant, there was tiny tiny bugs at the base. What is this? I saw another pile on the wood frame. Just two piles of wierd tiny bugs! should I be worried?

Also I found wierd looking round poo on my other tomato plant leaves..and also UNDER the leaves. So it wasn't from birds..

Can someone help me to identify this? :shock:

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The blue "bugs" are intriguing. Do they move around? Crawl? Fly? Are you sure it isn't a fungus of some sort? :?

The poo looks like that of a tomato hornworm. I recommend you examine your plants carefully.

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Thank you for replying:)

I will definitely check my plant now for the hornworm..I had babies which I killed but since the poo is larger...this is scarying me!

The blue bug as super tiny..they jump around kinda, not fly..I looked closer and they are all jumping around. And when they cluster like that I think it makes a blue color. I lokied at the bug individually and they seem to be black. But when I stir it around, a few minutes later, the blue comes back and they form together again. I'm worried.. :shock:

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THANK YOU THANK YOU.
I went to look closer and found two plump hornworms. I always look for them but I guess I needed someone to say to look again!!
Here they are..
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[img]https://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/nana7chan77/IMG_7642.jpg[/img]

Now about the blue bugs..here is a closer picture..any help would be appreciated!! they move like fleas, but don't jump high..I stirred the soil but they grouped back together again...
[img]https://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/nana7chan77/IMG_7643.jpg[/img]

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Kisal, that there is a Tobacco hornworm which funnily enough is the kind we almost always find on our Tomatoes. I have yet to see an actual Tomato hornworm in person. I really think someone got the common names backwards when they assigned them to these caterpillars. :lol:

TG, If you find one (or more) and there are white pupae attached like [url=https://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=157973#157973]this one[/url], you don't want to kill it. :wink:

The piles of bluish things look more like fungi of some sort -- mold or slime mold maybe -- than bugs to me.... Do they move around? OK looking at the last close up by the emitter, maybe springtails?

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Tomato hornworm = Manduca quinquemaculata ... identifiable by 8 v-shaped markings on its back.

Tobacco hornworm = Manduca sexta ... identifiable by seven diagonal lines on its sides.

A little note from [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manduca_sexta]Wikipedia's article about the latter[/url]:
A mnemonic to remember the markings is tobacco hornworms have straight white lines like cigarettes, while tomato hornworms have V-shaped markings (as in "vine-ripened" tomatoes).
I'd almost guarantee that I couldn't tell one from the other in the field! LMFAO
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applestar wrote:The piles of bluish things look more like fungi of some sort -- mold or slime mold maybe -- than bugs to me.... Do they move around? OK looking at the last close up by the emitter, maybe springtails?
I'd second that.

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Yes I believe they are springtails. How in the heck did you ever find out about springtails? I would of never have found out.
I read about them and they are harmless thank god..
so I went out to take a look at them and they are GONE! the sun is up now and it says they like the colder weather. Where have they gone??? They don't fly? I'm curious where they ALL went?

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Do you have a compost bin? pile?

Springtails are often happy in compost, helping break down dead plant matter.

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I didn't know that. I don't have a compost bin. And never saw the springtails until now. I have had tomato plants for only 6 months..

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AS is 100% right about that being a pic of a tobacco hornworm. I've learned that another identifying characteristic is the color of the "horn". Tobacco hornworms have red horns, while tomato hornworms have black horns.

I finally found a pic of a tomato hornworm!

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Tobacco hornworms have red horns, while tomato hornworms have black horns.
:roll: Like I said, they've been named BACKWARDS! :roll: Wouldn't you think the Tomato hornworms should have the red horns? Who named them anyway!? :roll:

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