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Winter Indoor Tomatoes variety candidates

I have my first cut for the winter tomato variety trial. All of them were selected for
- exceptional flavor
- extra early to early maturing for the most part
- productive/loaded
- short plants suitable for containers
, though there are some exceptions particularly extra productive cherries.

There are a handful of good candidates that are not included because I didn't get seeds for them
(maybe next year :P).

For the trial, I'm planting some/all of them in shadier beds not normaly used for tomatoes this summer to see how well they fruit and maintain their earlier maturity and shorter stature characteristics. I plan on picking maybe 6-8 best out of these for next winter's indoor growing. :D

(The list is not easy to read this way, but if you are really interested, you should be able to copy and paste to a spreadsheet)

Winter Indoor Tomato Variety Candidates

VARIETY Maturity FR color FR size/type Vine/Fol DTM Loaded Early < 4ft
Beaverlodge Slicer *Early Red Saladette round DET 55 days TRUE TRUE TRUE
Belyi Naliv *Early Red Saladette round Dwarf IND 40" 55-60 days TRUE TRUE TRUE
Bloody Butcher *Early Red Saladette round RL IND 55 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Coyote *early Light Yellow Small Cherry IND RL large prostrate 55-65 days. TRUE TRUE FALSE
Extreme bush *early Red Saladette-salad round Dwarf rugose 50 days TRUE TRUE TRUE
kootenai (dwarf) *Early Red saladette round-oblate Dwarf Rugose RL DET Med 45-60 days FALSE TRUE TRUE
Northern Lights *Early Bicolor yellow orange skin/yellow flesh with red blush-center Med-Lg Beefsteak IND 55-60 days FALSE TRUE FALSE
Sophie's Choice *Early Orange red skin/ red flesh Salad-Medium oblate Dwarf DET 18-24" 55 days FALSE TRUE TRUE
Sophie's Choice *Early Orange red skin/ red flesh Salad-Medium oblate Dwarf DET 55 days FALSE TRUE TRUE
Sweet n Neat *Early Red Cherry Dwarf DET trailing 12-14" 50 days TRUE TRUE TRUE
Bellstar Early Red Salad oblate jointless DET 65 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Black Cherry Early Purple Cherry IND 65 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Black Cherry Early Purple Cherry IND 65 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Italian Red Cherry Early Red Cherry pointed DET 65 days FALSE TRUE TRUE
Matt's Folly Early Red Saladette-Salad IND 68 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Native Sun Early Yellow Salad-Med oblate DET RL 50-65 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Punta Banda Early Red Cherry Compact DET 65 days TRUE TRUE TRUE
Urbikany Early Red Saladette-salad round Short IND 36" 62 days TRUE TRUE TRUE
Yellow Bell Early Pale yellow with pink blush Medium Sausage IND 60 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Yellow Bell Early Pale yellow with pink blush Medium Sausage IND 60 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Zarnitsa Early Red Saladette SIND 60 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Zarnitsa (dwarf strain) Early Red Saladette SIND 60 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Bursztyn Early-Mid Amber-gold Saladette DET 60-70 days TRUE TRUE TRUE
Donomater F2 Early-mid Red with dark yellow shoulders Saladette round/oblate jointless DET/SDET rugose wispy, rugose RL 28-30" TRUE TRUE TRUE
Donomater F3 Early-mid Red Saladette round/oblate jointless DET/SDET rugose wispy, rugose RL 28-30" TRUE TRUE TRUE
Grub's Mystery Green Early-Mid Dark Yellow skin green flesh GWR Med-Lg beefsteak IND PL 4' TRUE FALSE TRUE
Lucky Leprechaun Early-Mid Red Saladette round Dwarf 24-28" DET RL rugose lt. green (1-2 gal) 65-75 days TRUE FALSE TRUE
Russo Sicilian Togetta Early-Mid Red Fluted salad thick skin DET/INDET RL 70-75 days TRUE FALSE FALSE
Sinister Minister F4 Early-Mid Mahogany with green shoulders Grape Cherry IND RL large 65-70 days TRUE FALSE FALSE
Sugar Plum F2 Early-mid Red Grape Cherry Ind RL 67 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Sugar Plum F3 Early-mid Red Grape Cherry Ind RL 67 days TRUE TRUE FALSE
Tasmanian Chocolate Early-Mid Mahogany Med-Lg Beefsteak Dwarf IND RL 3-4ft 68 days TRUE TRUE TRUE
Tigerella Early-mid Red with orange stripes Saladette round IND 55-75 days TRUE TRUE TRUE
Victorian Dwarf Early-mid Red Salad oblate DWF PL 65 days TRUE TRUE TRUE
Cherokee Tiger Large Red Mid Red with orange stripes Medium Beefsteak Dwarf FALSE FALSE TRUE
Cream Sausage Mid Cream Medium Sausage DET 4ft 70-75 days TRUE FALSE TRUE
Earl's Green Cherry Mid Green Cherry IND 70 days TRUE FALSE FALSE
Jackass Yellow Mid Yellow Medium Oblate Dwarf rugose FALSE FALSE TRUE
Jaune Flamme Mid Yellow orange Saladette round elongated trusses of 8-12 IND RL 70 days TRUE FALSE TRUE
Manö Mid Red Cherry-Saladette round Dwarf DET 18-24" 70-77 days TRUE FALSE TRUE
Monomahk's Hat Mid Deep pink Medium-Lg Oxheart Semi-DET 72+ days TRUE FALSE TRUE
Rosella Purple Mid Purple Medium Beefsteak Dwarf 3ft IND rugose RL 75 days TRUE FALSE TRUE
Snow White Mid Pale yellow/ivory Cherry IND RL large 70-75 days TRUE FALSE FALSE
Sweet Beverley Mid orange yellow Cherry Grape/pear TRUE FALSE TRUE
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Nice list there Apple, Is that your whole tomato growout this year?

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:lol:
I have most of Mid to Very Late maturing varieties I still have to pick from.... nutz:
I started out saying two out of the Very Late ... and ended up with FIVE. :roll:

Several more weeding out to do before final entire list is settled. :()

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Cool just wondering. I know I sent you some others I didn't see on there. They would be shame not to grow.

You go girl, do your thing, it amazes me how thorough you are. I love it. :clap:

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Today, started the Winter Indoor Tomato Trial varieties. I wanted to start them all at once, so I can compare their performance.

I wanted to sow two each, but with 33 candidates, I decided to just sow 1 each for now in two sets of 20 = 40 micro-blocks:

Beaverlodge Slicer
Belyi Naliv
Bloody Butcher
Coyote
Extreme bush
Kootenai
Northern Lights
Sophie's Choice
Sweet n Neat
Italian Red Cherry
Native Sun
Punta Banda
Urbikany
Yellow Bell
Zarnitsa
Bursztyn
Donomater F3 (#4 LgSw)
Grub's Mystery Green
Lucky Leprechaun
Russo Sicilian Togetta
Sinister Minister F4
Tasmanian Chocolate
Tigerella
Victorian Dwarf
Cherokee Tiger Large Red
Earl's Green Cherry
Jackass Yellow
Jaune Flamme
Manö
Monomahk's Hat
Rosella Purple
Snow White
Sweet Beverley

I was left with 7 spare microblocks, so after an agonizing selection process, I picked 8 duplicates:

Beaverlodge Slicer
Extreme bush
Sweet n Neat
Native Sun
Tasmanian Chocolate
Cherokee Tiger Large Red
Earl's Green Cherry
Jackass Yellow

...and Jackass Yellow got planted in a little handmade soilblock (I used a scotch tape core) in a takeout salad dressing container. :D

When I start the main garden tomatoes, I may choose to sow some more out of this list for DTM comparison and to have more plants.

This particular tray isn't it but the they were planted in an identical starter setup:
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Is Jaune Flamme a dwarf? I am trying to get a little collection of dwarf/early/cold tolerant tomatoes too. Another you could consider is Totem, but it is a hybrid. Tiny Tim and Red Robin are nice dwarves too. I am growing more Tiny Tim this year. If you want a cold tolerant type but not a dwarf, check out San Francisco Fog. It held up pretty well to the cold here.

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Jaune Flamme is not a dwarf but is described as "extremely prolific" and DTM of 70 days with great flavor. So it's in the list as possibly able to develop trusses from lower on the vine and be topped and still be sufficiently productive. If it fails the "shadier location" trial this summer, then it won't make the final cut.

I want to stick with OP/Heirloom varieties, but I'll add those to my list. Thanks. :wink:

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Winter Indoor Trial seeds sprouted to date --

2/23 Sophie's Choice, Yellow Bell, Sinister Minister F4, Cherokee Tiger Large Red-1, Jaune Flamme, Snow White;
2/24 (CTLR-1 failed overnight :shock:. Sowed another soaked in oolong tea, Snow White also missing but may have mistook for Native Sun. Sowed another soaked in oolong anyway) Grub's Mystery Green, Tigerella, Native Sun, CT Lg. Red-2, Earl's Green Cherry-2, Urbikany

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More popping up every day! 2nd one from the bottom right is the chartreuse-leafed Cherokee Tiger. 8)
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Stump of the World from very late group on the left.
4 miniblcks on the right are --
21. Sinister Minster F4
8. Sophie's Choice-1
28. Jaune Flamme
...and an extra Jaune Famme
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...should have Upblocked some more today, but didn't get the chance...

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I've kind of let these go too long already and i's going to be a delicate operation to upblock them, but it's really kind of neat that you can actually DISTINGUISH the true *DWARF* varieties among these seedlings. Even as seedlings, they are shorter/more compact than their brethren without the dwarf genes:

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Now, I HAVE to go put up a ceiling hook so I can get the 2nd almost ready to bloom Firetail Chenille Plant out of under the upper T-5 lights and install an extra 36" T-8 strip that was delivered today for the center shelf, THEN I can move out/around some more plants, upBlock, and start some more seeds --Someone just sent me a surprise bonus seeds of more dwarf varieties. :shock: :()

I've already started 2 additional dwarf varieties:

Lime Green Salad
Risista

As soon as the grown ones above are upBlocked, I'm starting in their places:

506 Bush Dwarf
Canadian Dwarf
New Big Dwarf
Polish Dwarf
Red House Freestanding
Unk. Dwarf Yellow?

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Those sound like UA dwarfs (inside joke) :lol:

looking good Apple, just dropped another tray myself. It is amazing the differance between the dwarfs and the non dwarfs. It doesn't take long to notice it either. You may know but others may not, you can tell a true dwarf from a variety without the "d" gene by it's internode spacing (distance between stems/buds). On dwarfs the internode spacing is roughly half that of a non dwarf plant.

Let me know how Lime Green Salad does for you. It was/is super duper slow for me. I planted it back with the others Oct/Nov it's only 6 inches tall right now. I understand it is a short plant but that is 1.5 inches a month. -wall- Only that and CIAM still kickin it from the Winter Dwarf growing. That's okay there's 49 more coming where that came from. :lol:

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Haha you got it right! The additions came in the "newbie" selection.
Is the Yellow Dwarf you are growing the same as mine or is UA not sure if that's what it is. Is it a variety name? I should find out.

I Upblocked all the seedlings that were growing tall above the others in the Winter Indoor Trial microblock tray. I'll assume these don't have the dwarf gene in them. Victorian Dwarf is an anomaly as is Coyote. Victorian Dwarf was as tall as these despite "dwarf" in its name. Coyote was shorter like the others that were left in the tray, but because I was told that it grows prostrate but "takes over the garden", I decided to see how the roots were doing, and it had extensive root systems that reached three microblocks over as opposed to two blocks over for most of these.

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40. Earl's Green Cherry-2 2/16-24-3/5
26. Earl's Green Cherry-1 2/16-26-3/5
SinMin?Jaune Flamme? -2 2/16-25-3/5
20. Russo's S.Togetta 2/16-26-3/5
30. Monomahk's Hat 2/16-263/5
32. Snow White 2/16-23-3/5
17. Dono'F3#4-1 2/16-25-3/5
17. Dono'F3#4-2 2/16-26-3/5
37. Native Sun-2 2/16-24-3/5
Native Sun-3 2/16-25-3/5
11. Native Sun-1 2/16-26-3/5
Native Sun-4 2/16-26-3/5
3. Bloody Butcher 2/16-25-3/5
4. Coyote 2/16-25-3/5
15. Zarnitsa 2/16-25-3/5
24. Victorian Dwarf 2/19-26-3/5

Seedlings that remained in the Winter Indoor Trial microblock tray.
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( ) blocks in parenthesis have not sprouted yet and were not subject to this comparison.
*underdeveloped tall seedlings :!: I need to verify :!:

22. Tasman'n Choc'late-1 3/2
(2/27 Sweet n Neat-3)
2/24 25. CT Lg Red-1 (2/23X)3/2
27. Jackass Yellow-1 2/26
(2/25 Rosella Purple-2)
29. Manö 2/25 2/28

33. Sweet Beverley 2/27 2/27
34. Beavrl'dge Slicer-2 3/2
35. Extreme Bush-2 2/26
36. Sweet n Neat-2 3/3
38. Tasman'n Choc'late-2 2/25
(2/26 42. Lime Green Salad-1)
41. Jackass Yellow-2 2/27

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So, to recap, I'll be looking for lower light tolerance, productivity, and shorter mature/productive height among these varieties:

01. Beaver Lodge Slicer
02. Belyi Nailv
03. Bloody Butcher
04. Coyote
05. Extreme Bush
06. Kootenai
07. Northern Lights
08. Sophie's Choice
09. Sweet N Neat
10. Italian Red Cherry
11. Native Sun
12. Punta Banda
13. Urbikany
14. Yellow Bell
15. Zarnitsa
16. Burszyn
17. Donomater F3#4
18. Grub's Mystery Green
19. Lucky Leprechaun *
20. Russo's Sicilian Togetta
21. Sinister Minister F4
22. Tasmaniann Chocolate
23. Tigerella
24. Victorian Dwarf *
25. Cherokee Tiger Large Red
26. Earl's Green Cherry
27. Jackass Yellow
28. Jaune Flammé
29. Manö
30. Monomahk's Hat
31. Rosella Purple Dwarf
32. Snow White
33. Sweet Beverley
34. Lime Green Salad
35. Dwarf Emerald Giant
36. 506 Bush Dwarf *
37. Canabec Super *
38. Canadian Dwarf
39. Earl’s First Early *
40. Malakhitovaya Shukatulka (Malachite Box) *
41. New Big Dwarf *
42. Polish Dwarf
43. Red House Freestanding
44. Unk. Dwarf Yellow

Final list may change since * indicates seeds that didn't sprout. I think I'm going to reseed those, but may re-consider since I already have so many tomatoes growing, and chalk this up to bad luck (and better luck next year....)
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40. Malakhitovaya Shukatulka (Malachite Box) *
41. New Big Dwarf *
43. Red House Freestanding *

These would worth reseeding in my opinion. These are some good variety's here.

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Thanks, Gixx. I mis-indicated that Red House Freestanding didn't sprout, but it looks like I have one growing. :D
I was thinking I wanted to reseed the other two you mentioned, too. Hopefully, I'll get to it today.
gixxerific wrote:Let me know how Lime Green Salad does for you. It was/is super duper slow for me. I planted it back with the others Oct/Nov it's only 6 inches tall right now. I understand it is a short plant but that is 1.5 inches a month.
I do have one Lime Green Salad sprouted -- dropped 3/5, sprouted 3/14 -- so I'll be able to report on its progress. :wink: (I wonder if it dowsn't like cool conditions?)

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Have you tried the Lizzano tomato? It is a compact semi-determinate. I am very curious about it.

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That one looks like a hybrid. I prefer tomatoes that I can save seeds from year to year. :wink:

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Applestar, every time I read about your indoor tomato project I am amazed, impressed, motivated, inspired. You are, without a doubt, the Queen of indoor tomato growing. You should have the Queen Bee avatar.
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But, Elizabeth, my avatar is a pretty heart shaped Principe Borghese tomato. :> :wink:

Thank you for your comment. I love hearing that my little putterings have inspired other gardeners. :mrgreen:

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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

OK. Delayed and didn't get to start earlier in low tunnels like I intended to, but I've started planting the Winter Trial varieties:

So far:
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This area is shaded by trees all morning and only gets 1/2 day sun. I believe the oak tree roots extends into this area so that it is rather dry and nutrient poor. I had this bed scheduled for greens and other shade tolerant vegs/herbs. Originally my "Sunflower & House" (sunflowers, corn, beansm cucumbers) -- corn, pole beans, and cucumbers did very poorly when planted in this bed when it was new. Sunflowers did well I think only because they grew tall enough to catch more sun and deep enough roots to find more moisture and nutrients. Poor performance by potatoes, one tomato plant, broccoli and turnips here last year, though parsnips did well and onions were good as green onions.

And:
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(Wes shouldn't be in there -- I planted it in a moment of weakness because it was impossibly overgrown and ths is a protected area when it seemed like frosty weather was never going to leave :oops:)

I pLanted the Coyote, reputed to be a monster that spreads, in the darkest corner. This is in a protected corner with house and garage walls to ENE and WNW side so even though the corner faces directly south, only gets a limited amount of sun. A Brandywine plant only produced four fruits there one year.
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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

I've not had any problems with Lime Green Salad it. I used it in my breeding to get dwarfism and multiflora characteristics.

It was usually small as far as dwarfs go, but the seedlings were thick and on schedule with everything else, so I never worry about the height. It also has a high proportion of tricot seedlings. I think it usaullay grew to 2 ft, but I seem to recall getting some to 4 ft. I also grew it in the windowsill in a 32oz deli container pot for a houseplant.

Tom Wagner originally called it something like Green Elf, but the original seed seller changed it to LGS.

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I think my Lime Green Salad seedling made it. I'll have to look for it in the jungle. 8)

I completed the SF&H Winter Indoor Trial bed, though I may add one more and make it 20.
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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

Planted the determinate Burszyn in that spot. :D

Most if not all of the plants in this bed are blooming and Native Sun has a little fruit:
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Tigerella in the main spiral garden has a fruit -- I think I messed up and didn't plant the fastest growing seedling here in the Winter Trial Bed:
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This is Sinister Minister or Jaune Flammé, also in the spiral garden:
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This Earl's Green Cherrry is going in the shady Winter Trial Cherry Tomato row:
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And a Beaver Lodge Slicer in a container is fruiting but not in the shady Winter Tomato Trial bed:
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Winter Indoor Trial cherries are planted long the fence in VGD and VGE:
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Overflow Winter Indoor Trial dwarfs and short indeterminates are going in the Apple Guild bed. Clock indicates Determinate, Alien indicates Dwarf or short (< 5 ft)
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Looking at my notes, Zarnitsa is listed as Semi Indeterminate.
...well, this variety is definitely NOT determinate for sure since two of this winter's plants are still producing fruit...

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...the fruits are bigger than during winter -- due to more condusive warmth and light exposure no doubt.
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Getting there... Getting there...
All except gray background squares are planted now. alien indicates dwarf/<3-4ft and clock indicates Determinate. Leaves indicate potato leaf. Two hands that look kind of like earmuffs indicate extra-tall varieties.
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I've started to indicate ones with green fruits with a green heart. I'll come back and update this with all the varieties with fruits on them at this point. 8)
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VG-C and VG-E are planted! VG-D is still under insect netting with only maybe 25% of the broccoli harvested so I'm not sure what to do.... I might be able to plant Dr. Lyle, but I think that's about it right now. :?

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As you can see, I have a secondary experiment going on... Talk about PETC :lol:
In the front two short rows, I planted onions and carrots, with beets on the one end. But it turned out that there were a LOT of volunteer red Russian kale, lambs quarters, some winter mustard, some Malabar Spinach (surprise! The seeds can overwinter and volunteer! :D), some Akashiso, etc.

What I'm doing is digging out just enough of them (transplanting them elsewhere -- mostly in the Spiral Garden), then shoe-horning the tomato plants in. 8) ...yeah, I think the ones that will suffer/be impacted the most will be the onions, especially if I don't get at least everything but the carrots out of there :roll:

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...I had to expand into the Apple Guild to get these in the ground. I grew Seminole pumpkins and sugar beets along here last year so the ground was mostly ready. It's about a step or two outside of the Enterprise apple tree's drip line. I forgot to indicate on the map, but I transplanted lettuce between the tomatoes. You can see the apple tree's shadow on the ground -- hopefully will help to keep the lettuce cooler.
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Earl's Green Cherry fruits:
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Ubikany fruits:
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Pineapple Pig has a fruit too :D
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I think I need to take a better picture, but here, I planted garlic last fall. I made room for tomatoes where there was no garlic. Hopefully garlic harvesting process won't disturb the tomatoes too much....

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Russo's Sicilian Togetta (SF&H-WTB)
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Sinister Minister F4 (SF&H-WTB)
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Manö (SF&H-WTB)
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Earl's Green Cherry (FR-WTC)
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In a vague moment I lost track of this variety as I was uppotting, so it was labeled Sinister Minister (F4) or Jaune Flammeé. Now, I can tell it is definitely NOT Sinister Minister unless it's a throwback segregate.
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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

Winter Indoor Tomato Trial in Sunflowers, etc. House (SF&H) bed:

Current Status: all except later planted Northern Lights and Mid season Rosella Purple are fruiting

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Native Sun:
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Sinister Minister F4:
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Russo's Sicilian Togetta:
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Zarnitsa:
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Sophie's Choice:
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Bloody Butcher:
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Jackass Yellow (F6?)
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Tigrella:
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Manö:
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Cherokee Tiger Large Red:
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Burszyn:
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Beryi Naliv:
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Extreme Bush:
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Beaverlodge Slicer:
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Kootenai:
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Donomater F3#4 (unjointed pedicils!):
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Monomak's Hat:
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(had to take another pic of these upper cluster fruits)
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Tasmanian Chocolate:
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Rosella Purple:
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Northern Lights:
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Sweet Beverley:
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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

Family Room (not all) Winter Indoor Cherry Tomato Trial bed:

Current Status: All are fruiting. Longest vines on Earl's Green Cherry and Coyote are over 5 feet long/tall.

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1st plant
-- Earl's Green Cherry:
2nd plant with lobed/fluted fruits
-- Jaune Flammeé (?)
-- this grew in same soil block as Wes, the intended variety, and bullied the wispy leaved Wes and tried to take over the soil block... Right now, it's not looking like JF either.... Maybe Kamatis Tagalog (?) :?:
(KT seeds were sown same day as Wes and has fluted fruits. Only other varieties with fluted fruits I'm growing are I think Russo's Sicilian Togetta and Moosolini.)
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-- Wes is actually the wimpy wispy leaf plant in the left bottom corner--


Snow White:
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Coyote:
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...also,
Jaune Flammeé:
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Spudatula (Black from Tula PL) << NOT Spudatula
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Stump of the World:
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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

Just to let you know what came up first for me since this thread is about early plants for winter growing.

First to start to ripen Belyi Naliv they are a bit bigger fruit and need a another few day's. First pickings all about the same time, Balkan Tiger F3, Balkon Star, Lucky Leprechaun, Orange Pixie (I think O Pixie would have ripened sooner but it was infested with whitefly's and aphids and was looking very sad for a while, but it's on the rebound now, with turning fruit).

A few others real close like a day or to for picking are Tasmanian Pink F5 and Sleeping Lady.

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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

First to start to ripen Belyi Naliv they are a bit bigger fruit and need a another few day's. First pickings all about the same time, Balkan Tiger F3, Balkon Star, Lucky Leprechaun, Orange Pixie (I think O Pixie would have ripened sooner but it was infested with whitefly's and aphids and was looking very sad for a while, but it's on the rebound now, with turning fruit).

A few others real close like a day or to for picking are Tasmanian Pink F5 and Sleeping Lady.
Thanks Gixx! Your input with all those varieties I don't have will be invaluable for this thread.

Out of the ones you mentioned here, I have Belyi Naliv and Lucky Leprechaun (thanks to you :())
Keep us posted and we'll compare notes. :D

Glad to hear you got those pesky pests under control. :wink:
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Thanks, Gixx. :D
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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

I actually have the first variety to blush -- we were expecting (and got) heavy downpours today so I picked the two fruits at breaker stage this morning. But I was really busy so didn't take any pictures.

It was from Earl's Green Cherry in VGD/AG (Vegetable Garden bed D/Apple Guild extension).

I'll take a picture tomorrow morning, and elaborate with additional photos, but I have three EGC plants. Two in the ground -- VGD/AG and FR (family room) -- and one in a 1/2 gal pot waiting to be planted. The VGD/AG plant from which the blushed fruits came from is maybe 24" tall, but the FR plant is pushing 6 feet or more.
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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

Not on the original list of candidates, but this is Sweet N Neat in a 2 gal bucket. I think with this one I WILL up pot to 4 or 5 gal bucket after I get some from a deli, but you can already see it's capable of growing a lot of fruits in this size container 8)

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It's still not drying out too quickly so the roots haven't filled the soil at this point.
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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

After posting 'my' early plants for you. I went out and remembered Cyril's Choice was actually the first over all.

Just want to clarify.

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Re: Winter Indoor Tomato variety candidates

Do you have a picture of your Cyrill's (Cyrill's? Not Sophie's) Choice?

I have blushing maters!

First to blush was Earl's Green Cherry as mentioned before.
Today, I noticed that the same plant had few more amber colored fruits (does not quite slight-give but since this is a GWR, it should be nearly fully ripe)
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This little Coyote fruit in the lower truss is actually ripe:
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Tigrella was the third exciting discovery :()
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(I know the pics aren't showing because of the exceeded band width block. Hopefully they will be released from the blck on 27th or 28th)
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