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is my canteloupe and watermelon garden too crowded?

Can someone tell me if my canteloupe / watermelon garden looks too over crowded, and if so, should I clip the vines or even transplant some of the vines somewhere else? I am just now getting female blooms on the canteloupe and the watermelon are just beginning to flower. They are about 2 weeks behind the canteloupe. Anyway, I want to make sure I have enough room for delicious fruit, and this is my first attempt at gardening.[img]C:\Users\flareinigs\Downloads%20002.jpg[/img]
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The path you provided is to a location on your own PC, we can't see the picture. Do you have an account with a service like Photobucket or Flickr account you can put the picture on? If not, could you describe how closely the plants are planted?

I'm having similar issues, I got overly excited about my first garden, and now I think stuff is too close. The biggest problem I'm having is convincing my husband that we've got to do something about it.
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I feel stupid about not being able to post pic. I am using picnik, but I don't see an address(to copy and paste) as the instructions say after I save my photos. I am going to the other site and see if I can do it through them. (photobucket) thanks for responding. will try again, Beth

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Here are my pictures (hopefully) Beth

https://s1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/ hopefully this worked

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Re: Here are my pictures (hopefully) Beth

fla_beach_bum wrote:https://s1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/ hopefully this worked
It's asking for a password.

And don't feel stupid, a lot of this picture hosting stuff isn't as simple as it seems.
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It didn't, you linked the site not the photo. Don't worry their is a learning curve on knowing how to post photos. The usual mistake is doing what you think is logical. Just go back and try it step by step, don't assume and you will get it and be able to laugh at yourself. Because when you get it right you'll think, how did I mess that up.

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Re: Here are my pictures (hopefully) Beth

fla_beach_bum wrote:https://s1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/ hopefully this worked
You're almost there :)

From here, look at your entire album, with all the pictures uploaded to it. Run your mouse over the photo that you want to post here, and you should see a drop down menu with 4 links. Copy and paste the one that has the links around it into the reply window here. That should post the pic!

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changed the setting on pictures

I changed the privacy setting on the photos. DUH Was not thinking and lately I have made everything I do online private. Anyway, hope you can view them now

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seperate picture of just watermelon

Here is a picture of the watermelon https://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/003.jpg

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Here's how it will look if you put an "Image" at the end or your URL. I'm not experienced enough with melons to say whether they are too close or not, but I think the mature size of the watermelon will determine much. If you can trellis the fruit, you can fit more (I think) into a smaller area.

I am experienced enough to say that those are gorgeous melon plants. Way to go!

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how many plants is that in the picture and how close are they spaced?
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Thank you Stella, and as far as how many plants, there are 4 plants in each row x 3 rows. (12) total. There are only two canteloupe (I bought them from a local nursery in a container approx 2 weeks old) The watermelon are from seeds.[img]https://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/002.jpg[/img]this is the TWO canteloupe plants. They are now getting more female buds, I saw five new ones this morning.

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How big is the plot? That will tell our experienced melon growers how much space you have between each plant. IMHO, you will need to trellis your melons. We had a great thread on this last summer: [url=https://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27681]BP's Trellis[/url]. In this thread, there is a great video on how to sling melons: [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il_pZFLGfmo]EG's Slings[/url]. (Just click on the underlined hyperlinks to read these.)

I am planning on trellising mine this year. The construction of the trellis seems to be the biggest obstacle. The slinging looks like fun.

BTW, if you hit "enter" before and after your "img" tags, you will have a lovely format for your pictures. I'm an English teacher. Format is everything :lol:
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It looks to me like they are in raised beds? If so, how big are the beds?

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I think you are fine. Just let them grow.
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Interesting, jal-- you are usually the advocate for plenty of space between your plants! To me it looks way over crowded, but I don't even grow melons because I don't have the room. I guess it depends on if you have the room to let the vines spread out from where they are, either across the ground or up fences/ trellises as people have been suggesting. But they are going to take up a LOT of space.
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ha ha Stella, cracking me up with the advise on the pictures. I will do that. Anyway, they are in raised beds, they are approx 5 1/2 feet x 13 feet long. I have other things at the other end of the bed, like peas, lettuce, green scallions, and now I am terrified the watermelon will take over the entire yard. no joke.
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The raised beds are about 5.5 feet x 13 feet.

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Interesting, jal-- you are usually the advocate for plenty of space
Yes, however in this case, it would be very detrimental to try to move any of those plants. IMO, it is best to just let them grow and see how they do. The other option is to yank about half of them, but I would prefer to let them grow. Those types of plants have a tremendous root system and will likely do quite well even if crowded. Yes, the vines get quite long. You can direct them to grow in the direction you want them to grow. They will quickly jump out of your raised bed. You can watch and when you get a good melon set on a vine, clip the vine past the melon so it won't get longer.

I hear of watermelon vines getting 20 feet long, but they won't do that in my climate. They get about 8 feet long here and cants maybe 5-6 feet long. Different varieties may behave differently too. When planting one should try to visualize what they will be when grown and plant accordingly.
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thank you jal for the advise. I am going to try to trellis some of the watermelon and canteloupe and then cut the rest back so the rest of the garden (in that area) will have a fighting chance.

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[img]https://donce.lofthouse.com/jamaica/watermelon_patch.jpg[/img]

Here is my watermelon patch last year before the melons developed. There was about a 9 foot wide space there between the grass and the beans. Before the vines got done they were in the corn and the beans and out in the grass. That didn't seem to hurt anything. I did get some good melons.

I planted a row with a seed every 8 inches. Not all came, but a lot did. These are probably overcrowded. It is interesting that the melons arranged themselves to cover every available square inch of area. I did not rearrange any of these vines. I could probably get larger melons if I gave them a bit more space, but I don't need big melons. Many of what I got were in the 20 pound range. The variety is Charleston Gray.

I turned the camera on a weird angle to get it all in the frame. Hope it doesn't make you dizzy?
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[img]https://donce.lofthouse.com/jamaica/melons_wagon.jpg[/img]

You may trellis the cants ok, but I can't see melons like this on a trellis. I think they would break the vine. Just let them go and direct which way they grow.
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So beautiful. I will be happy for one or two gorgeous water melons like those!!!!. Yea, no way i can trellis the watermelon. I am enouraged to see that you had corn so close to the melon and it looks fantastic.

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The thread "BP's trellis" that stella posted a link to earlier on this thread, I messed up. I rearranged my photobucket account not thinking. I posted the pics on another thread about a month ago. If you want the pics just pm me and I'll send you the pics of the trellis. I think based on your melon bed pics you will be fine, but I learned last year that spacing cantaloupe plants is important or you'll get PM. Keep an eye out for that.
Stella, I start assembling the A frame cuke trellis tomorrow. Goal is to stay as cheap as possible. I'll post pics when finished.

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BP wrote: Stella, I start assembling the A frame cuke trellis tomorrow. Goal is to stay as cheap as possible. I'll post pics when finished.
BP, you anticipated me. I've been helping fla_beach_bum out because I have ulterior motives, hoping to learn from the advice given in this thread :twisted:

Right now, I have four Sugar Baby plants (I think that's the kind you recommended last year) and three Burpee Fordhooks. Both varieties aren't all that huge and can be slung. One of the questions I wanted to ask has to do with just that, the A-frame trellis. If you could take pictures as you do each step while you are making them, that would be very nice for me :lol:

The other question I want to ask has to do with spacing. I'm toying with putting the four Sugar Babies in one half of an 8 x 4 raised bed and the three Fordhooks in the other half. Will that work, or is that too many watermelon plants in one bed, even if I do use a trellis?

Sorry for horning on on your thread, fla_beach_bum. I've been watching and waiting for someone to come right out and discuss ideal spacing!
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Ha! I found the answer to my spacing question online at [url=https://growingtaste.com/vegetables/watermelon.shtml]Growing Taste[/url]. The author, who is growing a 5- to 6-pound variety, writes that "more traditional techniques say about 24 inches for icebox types in rows, so the 18 inches for a deep-dug bed sounds about right."

I can easily squeeze in a square of 4 Sugar Babies on one end and a triangle of 3 Burpee Fordhooks on the other. I'll have 24" between each plant and 12" between each plant and the side of the bed. What a treat to fit all in the same bed! That should free up space somewhere else, maybe for a store-bought plant or two :D
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One week later!!!

Ok, so now it has been about a week and this is what is happening with the canteloupe/watermelon. I am very excited I saw a little watermelon on the plant for the first time this a.m. I didn't see any bees so took it upon myself to smother the flower with the male flower, hope it takes. Anyway, should I try to pull some of the plants out of there, or do you guys think this is going to be ok the way it is?
[img]https://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/009.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/008.jpg[/img]

Here are some other things growingin the garden. They seem to be doing pretty good, although the green pepper is a very strange shape.

[img]https://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/007.jpg[/img]
This is the corn, cannot wait for this sweet corn
[img]https://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/011.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/005.jpg[/img]
here is the little jalepeno
[img]https://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/019.jpg[/img]
oops this is the funny shaped green pepper, I am hoping it will straighten out as it ripens
[img]https://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc406/flareinigs/016.jpg[/img]

see my cucumber hiding in the back of the picture. I am thinking about taking that off today together with some of that lettuce for a nice salad.

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I am sticking to my first assessment of the melon patch.

The pepper will remain crooked. Not a problem, when it looks ready, enjoy!
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