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Re: Mushroom Gardening?

FYI, I'm growing the Shiitake strain called "Bellwether" from Field and Forest in Wisconsin.


Shiitake - Bellwether Plug Spawn-Field And Forest Products, Inc.
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Shiitake - Bellwether Plug Spawn
A bellwether by definition is an indicator of trends. Or newest Shiitake strain is aptly named, as it signals the arrival of both spring and fall, with an abundance of large, thick, cup-shaped mushrooms with layer upon layer of white lace ornamentation. A highly productive, cool season fruiter that also boasts a fast spawn run. Bellwether™ yields heavier in the spring than in the fall, making it a fabulous treat at early spring farmers’ markets.

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Your mushrooms are looking great! We as well have gotten a pretty good harvest this fall, given that the logs were prepared this past spring. So far have harvested 40-60 caps. The first really big bloom was wasted as they emerged when we were traveling. The other mushrooms have been a great treat, with the most recent getting plucked yesterday. That was a single 2.5 inch cap, but about two weeks ago a bloom gave us about 18 caps over a three day period. Funny how the bloom area are limited to just two logs so far. The largest specimen was about six inches in diameter, but most are 2-3 inches.

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That's fantastic @hendi_alex! :clap:

I'm thinking I will expand with more logs in spring as well. So much fun! :D

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...obviously, I need more practice learning to harvest these shiitake at their prime, though It WAS Christmas yesterday and I have been pre-occupied.... :>

AND more on their way -- hopefully in time for New Year's Eve.
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Once I brought them in the kitchen, I lined that basket with parchment paper, and one of the shiitake caps dropped a beautiful spore print! IF ONLY I had sterilized the parchment first :|

I'm still tempted to try culturing the spores on agar substrate even though I'm not really prepared.... I do have agar in my pantry and if I can get even a partially clean culture growing, I could try to grow a completely clean culture by culturing an uncontaminated piece of this agar culture. I would have to set up a storage tub clean "room"....

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Well... Decided I didn't want to start a New Project right now. In any case, I think I want to buy another strain in spring that will tend to bloom in the warmer months of the year so I will have more of a year-round shiitake harvest.

I harvested one at a more correct timing today (the one that was between logs). A few more are growing and, with temps only going down to 40's this week, are sure to be ready to harvest later on. 8)

The other one in the basket is the the button one I accidentally bumped and knocked off. I kept it on the counter like this under the 1 pt Pyrex bowl to protect from stray fungus gnats which WILL go after mushrooms given the chance.
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The shiitake are starting to stir -- some buttons are starting to pop. Last night and today's long soaking rain will help them along, I'm sure. :-()

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I cross-stacked the logs to give them more room to grow ...accidentally rubbed off a little button in the process :(
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Harvested today. These photos are same logs and same shiitake from different angles before harvesting, then the mushroom basket after harvesting. :()
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I am very impressed. Nice job.

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I really NEEEEEEEEED to do this. We spend so much money on mushrooms!

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Amazing stuff I love being in the woods hunting for mushrooms, and I love gardening, so I must try this out.
Next thing would be for me to learn to eat them. :D

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Mr Green, my oldest daughter (5) says that sliced cooked shiitake mushrooms look like giant slugs, and refuses to eat them! I myself, got over the mental image and still think they're my favorite mushroom!

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My problem is kind of the texture, and that deep earthy flavor so many of them have, but its sure been a long time since I tried them. I will sure give it another go this season. I have learned to eat many things I wouldnt eat before for various reasons, so maybe mushrooms are my next thing to overcome?

I know I can grow oyster mushrooms over here outdoors, will the shiitake work in my cold climate as well? Or am I best to try it indoors in whoodchip substrate? Also how are they to be eaten raw? I love raw vibrant food. =)

Btw generally how much time does it take from inoculation of the logs to the first flushes of mushrooms? I understand its a slower method than growing in grains/woodchips substrates indoors.

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I thought that was it for their spring show, but after several days of gloomy, cold, wet weather, the shroomies are apparently loving it :()

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Jelly!!!

Where did you get your shavings/sawdust?

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There is a small local furniture manufacturer that works out of one unit of one those small pocket industrial warehouse business parks. They ONLY build with Douglas fir -- no composite materials, and when they get their stock lumber, first thing they do is run the boards through a power planer. They bag these shavings and sell them for $3 each in a commercial trash bag -- I'm pretty sure it's a drum size or 55 gal. Found them on Craigslist. :()

Next time I go back I'm going to rummage through their scrap lumber pile, too. Short ones are free. :-()

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Subject: 8 bags of treasures in my car -- D. FIR SHAVINGS for mulch
applestar wrote:I was perusing the local craigslist for the first time in ages and came across an advert offering clean douglas fir shavings $3 a bag. I was picturing trash bag size and decided to go for 8 bags to mulch my blueberries and raspberries. When I got there, they told me the bags were 55 gallon size, loosely filled. :shock:

...Had to put down the rear seats but I managed to get all eight bags in the back of my suv. :()

I might have been able to stuff a 9th bag in the back if I wasn't concerned about leaving space to see out the rear window, and if I hadn't been going to Trader Joes before going home, I could have put another bag in the passenger's seat. (as it was, I forgot all about it and when I rolled the shopping cart to my car, had a moment of panic when I thought I wouldn't be able to fit 5 full grocery bags in the passenger's seat and floor. :lol:

But they told me they always have these bags of shavings and local farmers come get them for their chickens, rabbits and other livestock. So now I know I could get 10 bags next time if I tried.

...these are clear bags and I can see using them for protecting my tomato plants after planting them, too.

...and you know what? These 8 bags of Douglas fir shavings made my car smell WONDERFUL! -- MUCH better than those Christmas tree shaped artificial car air fresheners :mrgreen:
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Harvested these -- they look like the caps might open up too much by tomorrow or the soggy rainy weather might ruin them. I hoped to let them dry out a bit today, but it poured all day. They are inside in a basket in front of a fan right now. :D
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Do the spores run out?

Do the plugs have to be replaced?

Can you split the plugs and get twice the mushrooms?

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Sorry for not noticing your questions, L. The spawn (mycelium/"rhizome") in the plugs colonize the logs and when mature, they "fruit" I don't know if the spores falling from the mushroom gills will have significant effect.

There is an optimum spacing, just like plants, and you can speed up the fruiting phase with a bit of crowding while spreading out further can cause delay.

Once the log is fruiting, it's just a matter of time, then the spawn runs completely consume and exhaust the nutrient part of the log for fruiting (making mushrooms) so larger logs with more mass provides more nutrients and lasts longer.

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I harvested the three shiitake in the top left photo last night because they looked like the gills were flattening out, then harvested the 2nd bowlful this morning. The caps aren't that big -- 2-2.5". I let them sunbathe for a while to develop Vitamin D :D

Photo of the shiitake logs from this morning before harvesting. :()
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We had another dry summer with some extraordinary heatwaves, and I had been afraid that the shiitake logs must have died. There have been some signs of fungal growths that didn't look like shiitake. But we have been having some fall weather and rain. On Sunday, when I was out in the garden last, I noticed a couple of nubbins on the logs that I thought might be shiitake growing, and maybe three more possible nubbins starting. So I was thinking maybe I will get half dozen, and that would be better than none.

...imagine my completely stupefied exclamation of delight mixed with astonishment when I saw these today :lol:


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Once a flush starts growing, you have to be vigilant -- they grow fast!

I already had to harvest the ones I left to grow a bit more (bottom-left in yesterday's collage above) :-()

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De-stemmed (reserving stems to dry for later use), sliced and wedged caps gently warmed in butter and evoo, then a splash of lemon juice and sake to deglaze, sea salt.... more butter... then tossed with a bit of roasted sesame oil and a bit more lemon juice with Korean buckwheat/tapioca "angelhair" noodles and seved with hot (not cold) kimchee radish broth. Oh, yum! :()

Organic shiitake is precious stuff -- feels rather luxurious to chop up as many as we all want to eat as main course because we might as well eat the freshly harvested stuff at their freshest. :wink:

...drying the rest...

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Harvested the last of this flush. I love it! :D

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I went out a couple of days ago and found the shiitake logs had been *trying* to produce more mushrooms. It looks like the freezing temp caught them and these had more-or-less freeze dried before they were able to fully open. Since I learned that if left in this condition, all they do is collect moisture and rot, I plucked them off (I gave them the sniff-test, then put them in the dehydrator for few hours to fully dry and pasteurize just in case).

Back in the fall, I had picked up some just felled nice logs because I had discovered that I forgot to use up some of the Bellwether shiitake plugs and they had stayed alive and went through a mycelial run in the refrigerator. But life got in the way and I never got around to inoculating the logs, which stayed in the back of my SUV all these months (yeah, don't ask -- it's been an odd autumn season :roll: ). They had gone through the bursts of "indian summer" and pretty much dried out -- more like nicely seasoned firewood.

I really don't think this will do any good, but I stuffed some of the plugs in the big log that had cracked along the entire length, and put a second log over the crack. Then thoroughly watered with rainwater from a rain barrel that didn't get emptied like it should have been earlier. As it turned out, we had a soaking rain the very next day, so the new dry logs did get a chance be saturated some more.

I don't really expect these two logs to be colonized, but it seemed like I might as well do something within the limited time I had. I just hope they won't end up negatively influencing the existing logs. I also unstacked them and set them down in the rail-formation for winter protection.

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Oh, yeah, I still had some more plugs, so I tried adding boiled and cooled brown rice to the bag and put the rolled and taped closed bag back in the fridge to see if they will come back to life. Very casual low expectation experiment. :>

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-- that's actually a small (about 1/2") weather dried shiitake cap that I stuck in there. I'm guessing there were viable spores on it. 8)

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Swung by the shiitake logs after taking out the kitchen scraps to the compost pile, and found these growing :()

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...I spread the logs out from the winter huddle a bit so the other nubbins that are trying to grow will have some room. :D

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Here's that shiitake spawn in brown rice substrate experiment -- slow progress/development but definitely doing their thing in there without getting moldy 8)

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...it was 30°F this morning and they hadn't grown much. Now it's pouring outside. Hopefully these will be able to grow to be a lovely harvest. :-()

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Beautiful! Something I still haven't tried yet. Every time I see your posts about it, I think "I should try that."

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Thanks @rainbowgardener -- it's alot of *yummy* fun. :D

...With your (new) location, I would check this place out --

How Mushroom Mountain Got Started | Mushroom Mountain
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I'm not sure if the strains they grow would be suited to my climate since I need them to survive the winters here, but it's been on my list of likely sources. And like most of the ones that I like, they encourage organic concept, myco remediation, and offer workshops to boot.

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It rained -- a lot -- in the last couple of days. These look waterlogged but hopefully will be OK.

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There was a very opened cap growing under one of the logs, and I knocked off a button while trying to extract it. :roll:

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The shiitake still looked a bit soggy this morning, but by lunchtime, they were starting to open up, so I harvested some :()

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I separated the logs and lifted one up crosswise afterwards so they will gave room to stretch out more :wink:

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Do you believe in luck, karma, fate... ? I decided to give today's shiitake harvest to my mom and ran them over to her house -- and noticed along the way that there was a house where someone had started to take down a tree and had some nice looking logs and trunk rounds out on the curb. After delivering the freshly harvested shiitake -- my mom was delighted -- I slowed down at the house on the way home and saw that a man had come out and was working on moving more logs and rounds out to the curb. I rolled down the window and asked him if he was getting rid of them and what kind of tree it was, and he said MAPLE, and they were freshly cut. Oooh. :D

When I asked if I could have some, he readily agreed, and when I turned around and got out by his pile of wood, pulled on a pair of gardening gloves and, taking a deep breath, prepared to load them in my SUV... he very generously got them all loaded for me, even checking them over and rejecting ones that he said were not very good.

When I got home and shifted them, I realized --- these are VERY HEAVY. :shock: I silently thanked the guy once again. I'm going to need some help unloading these and moving them to the back yard. I think I'll wait until day after tomorrow (It's supposed to POUR tomorrow).

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Yep more shiitake today. :() I went out in the morning before the storm system reached us and harvested this much. Also moved the logs around -- hopefully this way they can grow without getting squeezed and smushed, and as long as it doesn't freeze, it's better for them to get some air flow while we are having wet weather.

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...I was intrigued to see a cluster of shiitake growing on one of the support logs (not intentionally inoculated -- can't remember if this is even an oak ...it might be a plum branch....) :o

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I was bummed to see these -- some kind of shelf fungi -- growing on two of my shiitake logs. :(

I don't know if the shiitake on those logs were spent, or if they were tired from all those flushes and, in their moment of vulnerability, were invaded.

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This is very interesting. I tried to grow mushrooms 35 years ago with a mushroom kit. I sprinkled the spores on the agar and a week or so later it was ready to cut into small pieces and put in the composed cow manure. A few weeks later the manure was full of white mycelium. A month later no mushrooms but the whole container of cow manure was solid chunk of mycelium. A month after that still no mushrooms. I kept watching and waiting but no mushrooms ever grew. I did everything like the kit said but no mushrooms. ?

We go camping and do lots of hiking, in the spring if I were to push a wheel barrel along a hiking trailer I could pick a wheel barrel full of mushrooms in 30 minutes. I know a farmers cow pasture at the dead end of Pate Rd in the spring you could fill 5 pickup truck beds heaping full with 1000s of mushrooms. I see lots of different mushrooms in TN, high humidity and lots of rain perfect conditions for mushrooms in cool weather but I can not grow mushrooms from a kit. LOL.

I studied mushrooms in college, a person needs to know what they are picking in the wild before you eat them there are look alike mushrooms that are poison. I did all the test & spore prints to determine what the mushrooms are but I still never felt save to eat a wild mushroom.

There are professional mushroom hunters in TN that make $1000s selling mushrooms to restaurants. I have always wanted to eat some of those mushrooms but I refuse to pay $10 for a mushroom to see what it tastes like, if I don't like it I wasted $10 for something that has almost no food value. I have lost interest in mushrooms, it has been many years since I even looked at a restaurant menu for mushrooms in season. If I could grow mushrooms I might get interested again.

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For years growing mushrooms has been on my bucket list. I waited too long. I no longer have the necessary shade - full sun front and back. :roll:



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