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I'm thinking of growing three of the peppers you mention here: peppadew, which I know about, lemon pepper and fish pepper, which I don't. Can you tell me how these two (lemon pepper & fish pepper) taste and if you'd grow them again? I've heard good things but haven't tried them yet. Those are some beautiful pictures and some gorgeous peppers, btw. :)

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Wow I missed Peppery1’s question. Sorry about that :oops:

I have to tell you I am a complete neophyte at reviewing pepper flavors. All I can say is Hot Lemon has a sort of flowery taste that I think people describe as citrusy. Fish has an amazingly wonderful aroma that intensifies when dehydrated.

Now, I came to post this:

Top photo is an uppdate photo of the now 4 yr old plant I refer to as my "Super Variegated (SuperVar) Fish Pepper" It's the correct color in dark forest green.
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Bottom left is a the best variegated seedling grown from seeds from the above plant this spring. It is in typical green/cream foliar combination.

Bottom right is a 4 yr old "sibling" of the SuperVar that has always been the LEAST variegated/mostly solid green.
Unlike the compact SuperVar, it has aways grown twice as big and loaded with solid green fruits but occasionally exhibited variegation. Last fall, something changed and it grew a substantially variegated branch from the base of the plant. This year, it is growing this upper new branch with significant variegation and same dark forest green coloring as the SuperVar.
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This year's Best variegated seedling (grown from seeds of SuperVar) to the left. I'm pretty sure this is the mother plant on the right -- variegation has faded but you can still see them.
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...out of frame but the Least Var plant in the pot you see the edge of is loaded with fruits right now -- as productive as ever. I don't expect the wonderfully variegated little princess to grow very big or produce much. That has been the pattern so far.

...just remembered I kept one other plant but I don't have a recent picture. I'll have to get one and post next chance I get.
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Here's a fish pepper I grew from seeds you sent, applestar:
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the new leaves start out mostly pure white and then darken up as they mature. End up mostly green with silvery spots.
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Here's some of its peppers
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They also start out with a lot of white striping and mature to green and then to red.

It's at least 3 feet tall and covered in little peppers -very productive.

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Looks great! I love it that you planted your among the flowers :wink:
Thanks for posting these pictures :D

Remember, you can pot these up and bring inside for the winter if you want, or of course start new ones from seeds again next year. The variegation seem to express better on new leaves when temperatures are cooler.

Since degree of variegation on a plant is variable, it pays to start extras and select for best variegation.
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I should get a picture of my collection of large pots lined up, ready to move!

Unfortunately, the pepper plant is not going to be one of them. Maybe next year you can send me a few more seeds! :)
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:D I don't envy your having to make those choices :|

No problem re: seeds -- that means you'll have to PM me your new address :wink:
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White fish peppers are starting to form :-()
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...since I want to use them as white peppers, I have to catch them before they blush, but I want to let them grow as big as they are going to get.... 8)
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applestar wrote:This year's Best variegated seedling (grown from seeds of SuperVar) to the left. I'm pretty sure this is the mother plant on the right -- variegation has faded but you can still see them.
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...out of frame but the Least Var plant in the pot you see the edge of is loaded with fruits right now -- as productive as ever. I don't expect the wonderfully variegated little princess to grow very big or produce much. That has been the pattern so far.

...just remembered I kept one other plant but I don't have a recent picture. I'll have to get one and post next chance I get.
Here it is -- now dubbed SuperVarX 2015 -- after overwintering in the house under WWL lights. I planted all of 2015 seed-started next gen SuperVars -- three plants -- in this container with the mother SuperVar in the front right corner next to the new SuperVarX 2015.

All of my overwintered peppers were hit hard by what I thought were TRM's ( tomato russet mites ) but am now wondering if they were Broad Mites. In any case, the end result seems to be the same -- all growth points become compromised until the plant RESETS and starts growing new shoots from the base. And the plant in the back left corner didn't recover. So here we have two 2015's and the mother SuperVar.

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I'm bagging some of the trusses so I can save uncontaminated seeds after these flowers set fruit inside the bag. :()
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Wow! They are so white!
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Yeah, I'm not sure how healthy SuperVarX 2015 is. So far seems to be doing OK and is starting to grow floral trusses. Do you suppose it needs more fertilizer because it doesn't have as much chlorophyll?

For comparison, here is the LeastVar (out of the three plants with SuperVar. MedVar kicked the bucket a couple of winters ago). It started to grow much more variegated foliage ...last year? The year before? And hasn't gone back to the solid green fruits. But it still tends to be taller/lankier and more productive than SuperVar. I'm waiting to see if it grows any more yellow-orange fruits, which might have been a sport.
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I would imagine that it might need more ferts. I didn't really think about it as a lack of chlorophyll until you mentioned it, but I would imaging that photosynthesis would be diminished with the stronger variegated leaves. I wonder if there is some other way the plant uses the lack of color. What is the original purpose of the variegation in the plant world? Adaptation for stronger, hotter light? Seems like it would make them more susceptible to pest. Do they suffer from pests more?
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applestar wrote:Three Fish pepper plants from my supervariegated selection in the same pot. The front-right (from labeled edge) original mother plant has been over-wintered is several years old, other two were grown from her seeds last year.

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In general, plants with a lot of white on them have less chlorophyll and struggle more. They need more sun than the same plant not variegated, to make up for less chlorophyll to capture it with. They may get lankier, just as plants grown with not enough light get leggy. And they may be a bit weaker, more vulnerable to pests, etc.
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rainbowgardener wrote:In general, plants with a lot of white on them have less chlorophyll and struggle more. They need more sun than the same plant not variegated, to make up for less chlorophyll to capture it with. They may get lankier, just as plants grown with not enough light get leggy. And they may be a bit weaker, more vulnerable to pests, etc.
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applestar wrote:Subject: Applestar's 2016 Tomatoes (& peppers & eggplants)
applestar wrote:Three Fish pepper plants from my supervariegated selection in the same pot. The front-right (from labeled edge) original mother plant has been over-wintered is several years old, other two were grown from her seeds last year.

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The extremely variegated Fish peppers didn’t survive the winter.

This year, I have one 2017 survivor that was started last year and was grown in the ground in Apple Guild bed to replace the oldest since that was the one I thought would die... but the 2014 plant wasn’t quite finished and came back with one growing bud, so I’m letting it grow to see what happens.

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TomatoNut95 wrote:That's cool; I wish I could discover a sport! Well I guess I did when those Yellow Pear seedlings showed variegation, but to be honest I don't have the room to experiment with sports. I do good to have room to grow my usual stuff, LOL!

So is the fish pepper thick skinned? I was wondering if it may be ok for drying?

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Ah ha! I knew I had started a thread about Fish Peppers :D ...I guess I had forgotten and neglected it. :roll:

...also it looks like I never posted a cut-fruit photo...

So I just took one of a typical red Fish pepper. The middle photo is the same red Fish pepper and a very dark red-orange fruit from one of the Goldfish plants that I have been trying to figure out because the fruit is redder and bigger than it should be — approx. 3 inches long.

It came from the decently variegated plant to the right in the 3rd photo. The skimpy plant next to it has a typical orange-colored Goldfish fruit. It’s sad appearance can be blamed on one of our kitties who has decided pepper foliage makes good substitute for cat grass — she eats them and then upchucks them. :shock: :evil:

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The right-most photo shows a typical Fish pepper with the variegated fruit (developing on the plant that the red fruit came from) — the white stripes become harder to see once the fruit is ripe and red.
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Yours are so beautiful. I had some seeds, I should try growing them again. Mine were not as variegated as yours.
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Even not as variegated plants sometimes develop more variegation once they start growing secondary sub-branches. Sometimes the entire main stalk leaves and upper branches are not as variegated but then new growths start from leaf nodes much lower on the plant, and those are more variegated. They do seem to be showier in somewhat shadier location.
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Thanks for this thread, @applestar! I recently received my fish pepper seeds in the mail and I'm so anxious to get them going to see how variegated the foliage will be! :-() (and fruit) So, does the fish pepper grow like any other pepper, or would you say it would stay compact enough to fit in a pot or five-gallon bucket?

Wow, your kitty must be pretty brave to bite into a hot pepper! :shock: Catgrass. That reminds me....I've got seeds for that, I bought them to grow and give to my ex-coworker 'cause she had a cat. But she quit, and I still have the seeds.....is there another use for catgrass besides cats? :lol:

Is that three year old overwintered plant you mentioned still alive? I've never gotten a pepper to overwinter with the exception of that awful Chiltepin pepper I grew that time.

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