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Pics from the Family Room "Winter Wonderland" -- well, the pic on the right is the NOT Bonda Ma Jaques among the floor level "Cool Gang"

Some more peppers developing and ripening :()
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...flowers, too :-()
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Recently uppotted Winter Indoor tomato babies :-()
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{L} A Mohamed that went down from TRM is trying to come back in front of the photo
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At this time of the year with the garden mostly done, it's not so much a lump "harvest" to be processed, as "foraging" as needed. So I made a collage of some of the currently ready to forage things from my Winter Indoor Garden --

Peppers, Kaffir Lime leaves (Not pictured but I also have a potted up large clump of lemongrass by an upstairs bedroom window), Rosemary, Marjoram, Alpine strawberries, Ginger root....
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Winter Indoor Tomatoes are a little late this year since I didn't meet my normal deadline of early August to start them, but first of them should be ready soon Image
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Over the weekend, I was tending to the plants in the Green Room and accidentally touched the treefrog. :shock: It was hiding on the plastic bag covering one of the seed-grown avocados I tried grafting with a "Day" avocado scion. I felt it under my finger, then it PLOPPED down onto the bench. I left it alone to find a new hiding spot.

Later on, I was so relieved to hear it calling in there, so I didn't hurt it. Whew! :D


It's time for musical plants again. :-()

It's getting cold in the garage -- upper 40's -- and I have to migrate all the tomato seedlings which are getting stem-purpled from the cold and some other cold sensitive plants into the house.

Some of the peppers that have finished fruiting can be moved into the garage for the time being to go dormant, but they will have to be moved back inside once the temperature starts to fall below freezing if I want to be sure that they survive. But at that point, they can go in relatively dark, chilly corners on the floor until they start leafing out. If the timing works out, by then some of the tomatoes will be on the decline and can be moved out to make room under the lights.... :wink:
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SEEDLING JENGA!
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Wooooooow, that has got to be the most intricate winter indoor garden I've seen, well done :) Orchids look beautiful!
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Thanks, @JasonFL :-()



Did your kids used to play Boomwhackers when they were little?
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Mine did, and I kept the tubes because they are really fun. But since my kids aren't really interested right now, I found another use for them. 8)

I use them to direct the water as needed for watering my Winter Indoor Garden. :()
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They are supposed to be something like1.5" diameter, but ours have flattened out over years of whacking to about 2" x 1.25" oval, making them very easy to pour into. With their varying lengths, I can station different note tubes that are suitable for different locations. :D
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Tree frog is squeaking in my Green Room every day... Image
I'm glad I let him stay -- I think he's dong well even if he might be eating my Lady Patrol.... Image
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Look at the new generation Winter Indoor Garden Patrol I found hanging around -- actually very rapidly roaming all over -- the Hungarian Szentes Feher Paprika (White from Szentes pepper) :-()
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Since I harvested the finally solidly turned red (from pale white/ivory/green) single fruit and it's on it's way out to rest up for the winter, I moved the little one to protect the current favorite from a beginning of an aphid infestation:

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...looks like I need to uppot to a final container :shock:
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First one to ripen, but I'm not even going to try tasting this one. It won't be an accurate appraisal of its potential. I'll just collect seeds from it for the next (F2) generation I will grow in the summer.

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applestar wrote:Dwarf Arctic Rose x Utyonok F1

...this one was started early -- in fact on schedule for Winter Indoor growout. But it seems like that was actually its undoing, because this one and another variety I started on time were rapidly overcome by severe TRM (tomato russet mite) infestation.

I can't tell if the stress was the reason that all of the seedlings ended up with a single fruit before deteriorating. First one barely managed to ripen its fruit.

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Consider the history of the Dwarf Arctic Rose mother -- It originally grew a terminating floral truss with a mega fruit, then was overrun by TRM, then grew new side shoots and grew on with normal growth structures and masses of loaded floral trusses.

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applestar wrote:Here's another look at the two Dwarf Arctic Rose plants. One put out a megabloom while still small and set a single fruit very early on, then stayed out in the cooling garage V8 Nursery and took a long time to mature the fruit, but when the garage temp fell into 40's it was brought inside while the large fruit still green. The other plant was brought indoors relatively early on, but became infested by TRM and struggled to mature the first cluster of three fruits.

They are both still in the 1/2 gallon rice milk cartons.
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The three smaller fruits are 1.5", 1.75" and 2" at widest diameter. The mega fruit is 3"
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I kept it in an isolated but less ideal location, so it's a bit spindly but the new sucker is free of TRM. I buried the rootball that was in the 1/2 gal rice milk container all the way at the bottom of this 2 gal bucket, so I think it will sit and take stock, then take off in this new location in the upstairs SE facing window. I'll top the container with additional fresh potting mix in another month or so.

You can also see the double-OJ containers planted with Utyonok which has replaced the Coyote. It has two tiny floral trusses starting to grow.

...and perhaps you can also see that the outer window is frosted this 14°F morning and there is snow on the ground outside. :o
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Re-organized Winter Wonderland today:
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Festive Jalapeños on the kitchen window bench 8)
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This is the miserable time of the year when some of the plants I posted about earlier have suffered rapid decline -- usually due to russet mites (TRM's) though some are also suffering from aphid infestation.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I tried to obsessively treat the plants for mite infestation before (two spotted mites as well as TRM's) and decided it's a lost cause (I have better things to do with my time :roll: ). I start and grow extras, try to and hope I brought in mite predators when I brought in all my overwintering plants inside, and I leave the infested plants alone to recover ...or not. :twisted: Only actual effort I have been making is to buy, store in fridge, and dole out ladybugs every few weeks for the Lady Patrol.
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As bad as some of these look, I do have a couple that seem to be coming back. I'll take a close up picture of one or two plants later, so the recovery process is more obvious.

I can't say with any kind of certainty whether the recovering plants/varieties are more resistant, are better adapted to the winter indoor conditions, or simply lucky to have been discovered by some effective predatory Indoor Garden Patrol.


This year, I have this eggplant (and a few more located elsewhere) that are also managing to survive the TRM infestation so far. It seems that eggplants have more common pests with tomatoes than peppers. Some of the peppers are also suffering slowly with no apparent cause, and I think it's possible they are being affected by the TRM's as well. Maui Purple seems to be particularly susceptible and I may have lost two out of four plants. You might be able to see the other two in one of the collage photos above.
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Here's one photo of a recovering plant:
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I mentioned elsewhere that we had a power outage.

It happened in the middle of the day -- maybe 3 hours in early afternoon... And -- I have said this before but -- WOW the house was dismally dark!

I have

-- Winter Wonderland and Cool Gang in the back corner of the family room which has a window to the SE and two windows to the SW
-- SE facing Green Room off the kitchen
-- kitchen itself has a window bench of peppers and citrus jostling eachother with CFL lights supplementing the SE window.

These are the rooms I spend most of my daytime hours in. All three rooms get the rising sun pouring in so very bright and cheerful in the morning, but increasingly dimmer as the sun goes around the corner. And on gloomy winter days, as I was reminded, it's very very dark without those plant lights on!

My Winter Paradise and WP Pent House are surrounded with mylar film and windshield sun visor into a mostly enclosed space, so some lights leak out but are not as significant sources of light, and I don't spend much time in that room anyway. But they do their part by staying warmer and allowing me to grow seedlings and other plants that need the cozy humid and warm environment.

So it's not just because of the greenery, tasty herbs, cheerful blossoms, and welcome fruits that my Winter Indoor Garden keeps the winter blues away. In addition, they handle air filtration and supply oxygen 8)

I really think the expenditure for the lights are totally worth it. :mrgreen:
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Our Green Room treefrog whom my DDs named "Squeaky" came out of hiding for a while today.

I didn't want to scare it so I couldn't get too close, but here is a picture :()
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So, this year's Winter Indoor Tomatoes have been a rather sad sight. :(

It all seemed to have started out well, but the TRM'S (Tomato Russet Mites) have been rampantly taking over. I'm not sure what is to blame....

-- I'm sure now that it is partly due to the late start. I had decided a couple of years ago that it was best to start them by August 1, using the earliest, cool weather tolerant varieties, and doing so had the best results, with blossoms setting Indoors within a month after frost, and green fruits starting to ripen by end of November and through December.

-- I did NOT limit myself to the varieties I have already identified as known performers.

-- Late December through January seems to be when the plants get stressed the most. They don't really think it's time to grow, and are susceptible to significant pest infestations.

-- This year, we had a rather warm fall. I wonder that's why the Winter Paradise indoor greenhouse shelves which is in the North West window is the worst affected by the TRM's? It kept getting way hot in there, even with the front flap open.

--

So far, out of all if them, only ones to manage to reach fruiting and mature harvest stage were the Dwarf Arctic Rose x Utyonok (F1)'s which were super early to mature. One of the Dwarf Yellow x Sun Gold (F3) and Whipper Snapper x Faelan's First Snow (F2) have green fruits on right now. So really, not much harvest to eat at all, though these crosses were advanced to next generation for growing out in the main season this summer, and that in itself is very satisfying. 8)

...

The others have fallen victim to TRM's. Right now, it's turned into an interesting trial to see which ones will manage to recover --- Here are some...but by no means all...of them:
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In the past, I have noted that many of the ones that are infested and overwhelmed all the way to the top, then grow new fresh green shoots from lower down like these will go on to grow without further problems. I don't know if that means they develop some kind of resistance to TRMs or that the original growths act as incubator for predatorial mites and now the plant has sufficient resident population of predators to keep new infestation at bay.


To my way of thinking, it's all good, because this year's experience seems to have confirmed some of my prior suspicions, and, for next year, I'm can try to follow what I think are the key steps for success and see if the process will turn out better. :-()

And FWIW, this winter's Indoor Garden hasn't been a total disappointment since ---
- Almost all of peppers are doing great and have been taking turns producing green and mature fruits to harvest
- Some of the eggplants I'm trying to overwinter seem to be starting to recover from the TRM infestation.
- Some of the herb cuttings, especially stevia, have rooted and are growing really well (last time they struggled in an upstairs window -- I think they like it better in the cold/cooler garage and downstairs)
- I had success with a couple of the avocados I tried to graft :clap:.
- Alpine strawberries are growing well and even fruiting sporadically even now.
- Other minor successes, too. :()
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Whippersnapper X Faelan's First Snow F2 -- although it had many more fruit clusters that started to form on the 4-5 upper branches, none of them opened enough to set fruits. I'm not sure if that was because of the sudden dip in temperature we experienced, the darkest days of the year, or what.

Now the lower cluster of fruits are finally starting to blush and the entire plant is starting to yellow, but this looks more like Determinate senescence that the Whippersnapper mother went through when I grew them last year. So it might just be that its time is up. :|
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One other possibility that I can think of is that one of my DD's has been using the nearby computer every night and staying up until the morning sometimes, leaving the plant lights on all night -- I wonder if that could affect a determinate variety tomato to burn through its lifespan faster...?

Sure hasn't adversely affected the Orchid, though. :D


Here are some of the other eggplants:
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...and these peppers are doing great! :()
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In the eggplant photo, maybe you can see that one of the two plants in the nearest "quart" size ice cream tub has browned and died.

This is my 3rd year trying to over-winter eggplants, and each year some of them do this. I now suspect TRM's, though first year, insufficient light and tomato leafminers also contributed to their demise and wiped them out. last year, I had a lone survivor that *almost* made it all the way to last frost. Eggplants that go all the way down and dry up to the tip rapidly lose life in their main trunk and have not come back like some of the tomatoes.

I'm pushing my hypothesis about the dying old growth acting as predatory mite incubator because it feels/seems like if I cut the upper portion off too soon, the TRM's proceed to swarm the lower fresh growths and sometimes manage to take the plant down for the second time. Last year, I had a Tatjana plant that went through this cycle during the winter and into the summer, growing and fruiting once or twice, then getting wiped out, then re-growing from the base -- I don't remember exactly how many cycles -- maybe twice during the winter and three times during the summer -- before finally kicking the bucket.
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More signs of recovery after TRM infestation :-()
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(If you look closely there are bottom halves of Yellow Dwarf x Sungold F3 fruits in one if those photos)

Whippersnapper x Faelan's First Snow F2
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I was starting to see THESE on the leaves of two avocados by the Green Room window.
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...the first time I saw one, I thought it was a mouse turd, but was confused because the kitties haven't brought a mouse in the house for a while now... And stuck on an avocado leaf, 4 feet in the air?

Then I started seeing more of them, and realized it must be Squeaky's poop. -- "Squeaky" is what my kids named the tree frog that is still alive and calling several times a day in the Green Room. :lol:
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Sqeaky was out on the top of an Avo today ... "Sunbathing"? In the light from the high intensity photographer's True Daylight spectrum CFL :cool:
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Found this. Hopefully Squeaky is getting the wavelengths needed from the CFL bulb light....
How to Care for a Gray Tree Frog: 10 Steps (with Pictures)
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Provide a UVA/UVB FULL SPECTRUM sunlight bulb during the day, when the frog is sleeping. You can also use a night bulb to watch your frog hunt. You can change the bulbs by hand or get a dual light fixture.
Without a UVB bulb, your frog can get a vitamin deficiency called Metabolic Bone Disease that supplements alone cannot help! UVB light cannot pass through glass. You should still supplement your frog's food with Calcium WITHOUT D3. You do not want to overdose your frog with D3. It can cause kidney failure. That is why the Full spectrum light is best. The UVB light will help with D3 production naturally. Also be sure that the Multi vitamin and Multi Mineral is D3 free as well. (Only if you are using a UVB light bulb!) Otherwise, only one supplement should have D3, But in the long run, Full spectrum UVA/UVB light is best. No captive creature can live in full health without UVB "sunlight" Make sure the light passes through a screen top. Again UVB rays cannot pass through glass. Never put your frog's tank in front of the window! The sudden rises in temperature will kill your pet!
It's hard to tell -- a frog generally looks content.... :>
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Hahaha. Here I am again with more pictures :> I can't help it. Squeaky often disappears for days but has been out in the open for several days in a row. I actually ran back upstairs to get my iPad so I could take a picture of the camo pattern :lol:

-- made a new collage :()
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I called DD over to see, and while she was watching, Squeaky did the treefrog thing and hopped from the branch crotch of this Avo to a blade of pineapple, then onto an Avo leaf beyond. It really made me happy to think this window side part of the Green Room is "jungle" enough to be a treefrog habitat. :mrgreen:
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TRM Survivors. Some of the ones that came back got overwhelmed again. :?

A few that I "cleaned up" the dead dried up leaves and pruned the tops early on definitely went down for the second time. Some of these are having aphid issues. Ones that are clear of aphids have resident Lady Patrol roaming around the container rim or foliage.
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-- I realize you wouldn't be able to leave the dead debris on or at the base of the plants if they were in a high humidity fungal disease prone areas like basement or greenhouse....
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BTW and FYI -- In my photos, containers that are marked with a "V" have been "Verm'ed" (as in "vermi"composted aka "1 or more worm/verm aka earthworm/red wiggler has been introduced") Image
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White Soul Strawberries are still producing in the Garage V8 Nursery :-()
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DEFINITELY doing this again next winter with more plants. Image
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Time to give this marjoram a good trim again! :()
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SQUEAKY SIGHTING! :-()
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...spotted on one of the seed-grown Afourer Mandarin trunk, ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE GREEN ROOM from the smaller avo he/she used to be on. It IS in the large avocado jungle grouping though, so plenty of light up above and lots of places to hide. :mrgreen:

...I thought he/she looked a little dehydrated, so I spritzed the entire area with my misting bottle...
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Love that frog, and amazing indoor operation!

Did you ever try the dwarfbush tomato Florida Petit? It doesnt get taller than 20-25cm and pretty good producing for its size, the tomatoes taste really good as well. They are good indoors also quite quick atleast when i grew them outdoors, its the only tomato i have gotten 2 flushes in one season with the second being slightly smaller tomatoes but still.
I usually pack them quite tight for being tomatoes 3 or 4 in the same space as ordinary tomatoes and alot shallower pots too.
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I hadn't heard of Florida Petite. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll see if I can get that one. In the mean time, it looks like I have seeds for what might be a sibling if from same cross ( released at the same time by same people) -- Florida Basket, but haven't tried growing it yet. Flavor report was meh.
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This season, I'm growing a newer release by U of FL by another breeder called Floragold Basket. If it's a good one, I'll add to next Winter's Indoor Tomato line up. :D


This year's Winter Indoor Tomatoes took a devastating hit from TRM's (Tomato Russet Mites) These are the only survivors, and I will be adding them to TRM Survivor Hall of Fame along with Tatjana and Dwarf Arctic Rose. :-()
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(Applestar's) Maglia Rose x (Coyote+Faelan's First Snow less variegated) F2-1F in group tray [garage v8]

(CNinNC's) Red Robin x Rose Quartz Multiflora F5 #8 and #10 [garag v8 moved to cool gang]

(Applestar's) Whippersnapper x Faelan's First Snow less variegated F2-7 in white square 3 gallon [winter wonderland]

(Applestar's) Maglia Rose x (Coyote+Faelan's First Snow less variegated) F2-1F [winter paradise 1]
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Re: 2015-2016 Winter Indoor (Tomatoes, etc.) Garden

It's spring now... Or so they say. We have snow in the forecast for this week, though no accumulation, and low in the mid-to-upper 20's °F, and my plants will be staying indoors for another month or more.

Right now, the four orchids are simultaneously in bloom, though peak has passed for some of them. :D
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Unlike the other three, the one on the bottom-left is in an upstairs bedroom where, for some reason, it was the ONLY room in which stink bugs appeared all winter. The holes in the blossom are their work :evil: All of the blossoms have this. :(
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Re: 2015-2016 Winter Indoor (Tomatoes, etc.) Garden

Oh my the one with a little bit of pink and bright "stains" is amazing!
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Almost there! I'm starting to move out plants that can take a bit of cold like lemon, fuchsia, lemon verbena, stevia, jalapeño, ...etc. In another couple of weeks, we should be frost free.

In the mean time, we had another Squeaky Sighting Image
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This was a fun one because DD was with me holding one of the kitties and she spotted Squeaky, too. Every time the cat focused, Squeaky got fidgety and moved further and further up and into cover, generally "squirreling" around avocado trunk and branch to the other side until finally hopping over to the mango. Not so much when we humans looked. Kitty sat balancing on a pot rim for a long time looking up. Image
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Re: 2015-2016 Winter Indoor (Tomatoes, etc.) Garden

We're so conditioned to think peppers are the finicky ones needing warmth, etc. but MATURE pepper plants have done far better in the average winter house conditions than tomatoes. Tomatoes bloom and set fruits well in late fall and then not until late winter/early spring.

For me it's a matter of timing and I guess I'm essentially growing TOMATOES in the FALL that slowly ripen for the holidays and winter consumption, then some more in spring before the summer tomatoes are ready. I think my new thinking is to grow extra early determinates for the fall/winter harvesting, and nurse along some exceptional Indeterminates for spring. (They can grow into/have the space vacated by the determinates) Looking forward to trying some of the newer larger fruited indeterminate dwarfs for that slot, and I'll be trialing some of them this summer.
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I have sad news. :cry:

One of our kitties captured Squeaky and ... ate him/her.

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Re: 2015-2016 Winter Indoor (Tomatoes, etc.) Garden

applestar wrote:I have sad news. :cry:

One of our kitties captured Squeaky and ... ate him/her.

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RIP sweet frog!

Hope your children didn't witness that!
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Thanks, Lindsay. O:)
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Here are the overwintered eggplants. They are trying to bloom already and desperately need to be planted. One of the white comets set a small fruit that I picked and ate already. :lol:

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