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Re: Applestar's 2015 Tomato (and Pepper and Eggplant) Garden
THE PLANS
STARTING TO PLANT....
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2015 Spiral Garden -- all except variegated plants have been planted (one Fahrenheit Blues in reserve due to wimpy size, Dwarf Emerald Giant NOT photo is missing, Surpriz to be selected and planted)
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OUTER SPIRAL
11:00-3:00 arc
Lyn's Mahogany Garnet, Nebraska Wedding, Gritmire's Pride Körnigin der Fruhen (Queen of Early), Purple Dragon, Purple Dragon Grandma Viney's Yellow and Pink, Sailor's Luck (Vintage Wine x Black Ethiopian) F5 Cow's Tit (2), Gail x Everett's Rusty Oxheart Bi-color PL F3, Brazillian Beauty NOT Terhune (3), Cherokee Lime Stripes, Ludmilla's Yellow Giant Gold Medal, Bosque Blue, Girl Girl's Weird Thing (2), Not Liguria
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OUTER SPIRAL
11:00-3:00 arc
Lyn's Mahogany Garnet, Nebraska Wedding, Gritmire's Pride Körnigin der Fruhen (Queen of Early), Purple Dragon, Purple Dragon Grandma Viney's Yellow and Pink, Sailor's Luck (Vintage Wine x Black Ethiopian) F5 Cow's Tit (2), Gail x Everett's Rusty Oxheart Bi-color PL F3, Brazillian Beauty NOT Terhune (3), Cherokee Lime Stripes, Ludmilla's Yellow Giant Gold Medal, Bosque Blue, Girl Girl's Weird Thing (2), Not Liguria
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2015 Spiral Grden
3:30-5:30 arc
Clackamas Blueberry (2), Samocvet Nefritovy, Hawaiian Pineapple 6:30-7:30 arc
**missing Dwarf Emerald Giant NOT**, Zebra Heart, Pink Siberian Tiger (2), MoCross Elgin #9 7:30-9:00 arc
Northern Delight, Believe It Or Not, (Purple Elgin x Sergeant Pepper's) F1 (2) 9:00-11:00 arc
Fishlake Oxheart, Fishlake Oxheart, Black Mountain NOT Pink, **Surpriz to be planted**
3:30-5:30 arc
Clackamas Blueberry (2), Samocvet Nefritovy, Hawaiian Pineapple 6:30-7:30 arc
**missing Dwarf Emerald Giant NOT**, Zebra Heart, Pink Siberian Tiger (2), MoCross Elgin #9 7:30-9:00 arc
Northern Delight, Believe It Or Not, (Purple Elgin x Sergeant Pepper's) F1 (2) 9:00-11:00 arc
Fishlake Oxheart, Fishlake Oxheart, Black Mountain NOT Pink, **Surpriz to be planted**
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2015 Spiral Garden
14:00-22:00 arc
Beauty King, Earl's Faux, Jersey Giant (2) Aunt Gertie's Gold, Dark Copia Heart F5, Dark Copia Heart F5
(Black Seaman x Pink Berkeley Tie Dye) F3 (Not Purple Strawberry x Sergeant Pepper's) F1 Wes Berner Rose/Rose de Berne, (Gail x Everett's Rusty Oxheart) Bi-color PL F3
14:00-22:00 arc
Beauty King, Earl's Faux, Jersey Giant (2) Aunt Gertie's Gold, Dark Copia Heart F5, Dark Copia Heart F5
(Black Seaman x Pink Berkeley Tie Dye) F3 (Not Purple Strawberry x Sergeant Pepper's) F1 Wes Berner Rose/Rose de Berne, (Gail x Everett's Rusty Oxheart) Bi-color PL F3
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I posted pictures of the high antho varieties in this thread: Subject: What's your most anticipated • intriguing tomato so far?
Here are variegated foliage tomato varieties I'm growing this year. As with the high antho varieties, some of these are still segregating crosses and still not commercially available:
These are the next generation Faelan's First Snow (FFS) in my selected line of "Cherokee Purple type large fruited more variegated". I think the one at front and center is the most interesting and maybe the one on the top right, and the closest one in the community pot of seedlings that I had thought weren't variegated also. There is another line deriving from Faelan's First Snow which was not variegated and produced smaller I think yellow(?) fruits. Gixxerific grew this line out and last year's generation produced odd bicolor fruits and was designated "Copper Penny" It is thought to be an accidental bee cross with something else, but some of the seedlings grown from the seeds he distributed are expressing variegation this year. One of my three seedlings was one of these:
[photo to be added later]
Next one is called Variegated PL x Striped Big Cheef and designated VPLxSBC. I have a F4 generation growing from a larger fruited F3 selection I grew last year. This year's surprise was that some of the seedlings which were supposed to be all PL turned up RL. I separated them into these two orange community containers, and just one of the RL developed a rather lovely variegation. You can see many more variegated seedlings in the PL group on the right. I'm currently hearing that the RL indicates accidental cross in the previous generation. I'm wondering if stray pollen from the Faelan's First Snow which was growing next to it could have contributed to the variegated RL. Someone made a specific selection out of the VPLxSBC and have named the segregate which is at F3 generation "Cry Baby". The seedlings are all PL as they should be: This one is designated VRFF. unlike my (possible) accident, it's an intentional cross of ((VPLxSBC F3) x FFS). Thanks to the breeder, I'm growing some of both F1 and F2 generations:
F1: One of the F2's turned out to be a PL: {other F2 photo to be posted later}
...but gixxerific has a much much more intriguing, more mature plant of this cross...
Last but not least, I have another cross -- this time opposite parenting cross of (FFS x (VPLxSBC)) -- the mother is always listed first. The breeder for this cross had selected a segregate of VPLxSBC and called it "Karson's First". I think Karson's First was an F2, but I will have to check. This cross is designated "Moonlight Mile" and it is at F2.
Here are variegated foliage tomato varieties I'm growing this year. As with the high antho varieties, some of these are still segregating crosses and still not commercially available:
These are the next generation Faelan's First Snow (FFS) in my selected line of "Cherokee Purple type large fruited more variegated". I think the one at front and center is the most interesting and maybe the one on the top right, and the closest one in the community pot of seedlings that I had thought weren't variegated also. There is another line deriving from Faelan's First Snow which was not variegated and produced smaller I think yellow(?) fruits. Gixxerific grew this line out and last year's generation produced odd bicolor fruits and was designated "Copper Penny" It is thought to be an accidental bee cross with something else, but some of the seedlings grown from the seeds he distributed are expressing variegation this year. One of my three seedlings was one of these:
[photo to be added later]
Next one is called Variegated PL x Striped Big Cheef and designated VPLxSBC. I have a F4 generation growing from a larger fruited F3 selection I grew last year. This year's surprise was that some of the seedlings which were supposed to be all PL turned up RL. I separated them into these two orange community containers, and just one of the RL developed a rather lovely variegation. You can see many more variegated seedlings in the PL group on the right. I'm currently hearing that the RL indicates accidental cross in the previous generation. I'm wondering if stray pollen from the Faelan's First Snow which was growing next to it could have contributed to the variegated RL. Someone made a specific selection out of the VPLxSBC and have named the segregate which is at F3 generation "Cry Baby". The seedlings are all PL as they should be: This one is designated VRFF. unlike my (possible) accident, it's an intentional cross of ((VPLxSBC F3) x FFS). Thanks to the breeder, I'm growing some of both F1 and F2 generations:
F1: One of the F2's turned out to be a PL: {other F2 photo to be posted later}
...but gixxerific has a much much more intriguing, more mature plant of this cross...
Last but not least, I have another cross -- this time opposite parenting cross of (FFS x (VPLxSBC)) -- the mother is always listed first. The breeder for this cross had selected a segregate of VPLxSBC and called it "Karson's First". I think Karson's First was an F2, but I will have to check. This cross is designated "Moonlight Mile" and it is at F2.
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Some of the smaller compact dwarf varieties in 3 gal containers:
Cream Sausage, Green Sausage, Tumbling Tom Yellow Hundreds and Thousands, Anmore Dewdrop
One of the "micro" dwarfs called Mohamed planted in a cement block hole:
Some of the "basket cases" -- trying varieties that are supposed to be good for growing in hanging baskets. These are usually sprawling (tending to flop and not grow upward due to weak stem) determinate varieties. The branch tip terminated by the floral/fruit truss weighs down and hangs nicely.Cream Sausage, Green Sausage, Tumbling Tom Yellow Hundreds and Thousands, Anmore Dewdrop
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Yay! Another tomato bed finished! This one is all (more or less) dwarfs that are going in the ground to see what their potentials are
Balkan Tiger F4 Pink saladette heart
Balkan Tiger F4 Pink saladette heart
Bison (not?)dwf red saladette
Chello dwf red cherry
Cherokee Tiger Black chartreuse notdwf dark plum
Dwarf Arctic Rose (mega) dwf Pink saladette-salad
Dwarf Beryl Beauty (not)dwf GWR
Dwarf Wild Fred dwf dark saladette-salad
Ext Bush X Purple Strawberry F3 (dwarf) Pink? Purple? (Heart?)
Mano X Matt's Wild Cherry F3 dwf Red large cherry-saladette
Mano X Matt's Wild Cherry F3 not dwf? Red large cherry-saladette >> Fence
Orange Pixie X Orange Strawberry F3 dwf Orange saladette heart
OrangePixie X Orange Strawberry F3 notdwf Orange saladette heart
Pit Viper F5 (NKG tasty) dwf Dark with GWR interior no red bicolor core saladette
Rainbow Dwarf (cat) PL notdwf Yellow-red bi-color salad beefsteak
Shamrock F7 (Jackass GWR) dwf GWR salad beefsteak
Summertime Gold PL dwf yellow
Summertime Lime (not)dwf GWR
Balkan Tiger F4 Pink saladette heart
Balkan Tiger F4 Pink saladette heart
Bison (not?)dwf red saladette
Chello dwf red cherry
Cherokee Tiger Black chartreuse notdwf dark plum
Dwarf Arctic Rose (mega) dwf Pink saladette-salad
Dwarf Beryl Beauty (not)dwf GWR
Dwarf Wild Fred dwf dark saladette-salad
Ext Bush X Purple Strawberry F3 (dwarf) Pink? Purple? (Heart?)
Mano X Matt's Wild Cherry F3 dwf Red large cherry-saladette
Mano X Matt's Wild Cherry F3 not dwf? Red large cherry-saladette >> Fence
Orange Pixie X Orange Strawberry F3 dwf Orange saladette heart
OrangePixie X Orange Strawberry F3 notdwf Orange saladette heart
Pit Viper F5 (NKG tasty) dwf Dark with GWR interior no red bicolor core saladette
Rainbow Dwarf (cat) PL notdwf Yellow-red bi-color salad beefsteak
Shamrock F7 (Jackass GWR) dwf GWR salad beefsteak
Summertime Gold PL dwf yellow
Summertime Lime (not)dwf GWR
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I was SOOO exhausted yesterday that I didn't have the energy left to take pictures and I couldn't get back outside to figure out the map. I heard about a disaster in another gardener's tomato patch when an errant squirrel made off with her surveryer's tape tomato labels, so I was super anxious -- I had no other record since, this time, I didn't start by drawing up a map.
I asked DD1 if she would go out and sketch them out and write down the names and where the tapes were tied on the tomato cages. She did, meticulously. So I was able to put together my map and rest easy.
... the empty red circle is for a special variety that I only have one seedling of, and it wasn't lookng good -- not strong enough to get planted -- so I uppotted it to TLC it a bit. I was going to plant another Rainbow Dwarf in that orange circle, but the seedling was on its last leg. We've had days of super hot, super cold, then rain. Heavy rains night before that nearly melted the soil blocks and washed many of the roots bare... (I had to cover them all with potting mix). Now that I'm reviewing the map, I might take out that blue cage and leave the spot open for access to the interior of this patch. I think I'm going to need it.
Yep. The tomatoes are sharing this bed with strawberries. But IME they are good companions since the strawberries are pretty shallow rooted and the tomato roots will dig deeper. And the strawberries will keep the root zone shaded.
I asked DD1 if she would go out and sketch them out and write down the names and where the tapes were tied on the tomato cages. She did, meticulously. So I was able to put together my map and rest easy.
... the empty red circle is for a special variety that I only have one seedling of, and it wasn't lookng good -- not strong enough to get planted -- so I uppotted it to TLC it a bit. I was going to plant another Rainbow Dwarf in that orange circle, but the seedling was on its last leg. We've had days of super hot, super cold, then rain. Heavy rains night before that nearly melted the soil blocks and washed many of the roots bare... (I had to cover them all with potting mix). Now that I'm reviewing the map, I might take out that blue cage and leave the spot open for access to the interior of this patch. I think I'm going to need it.
Yep. The tomatoes are sharing this bed with strawberries. But IME they are good companions since the strawberries are pretty shallow rooted and the tomato roots will dig deeper. And the strawberries will keep the root zone shaded.
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I keep telling myself I'm almost done... But it looks like I really need to get the support system set up in the Spiral Garden. Some of those tomato plants are threatening to flop over.
These eggplants in the SIP that looked like this when planted:
are greening up nicely now (though I'll probably replace that silly onion with a basil or two )
Got the Multiflora cherry tomatoes planted in a new bed. These will be trained as cordons and some of them will get to use the special spiral stakes. Others will have to use regular bamboo stakes.
...the rest of the cherry varieties will be going in after the plastic covered area dies down a bit...
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Thanks, @sweetiepie. If you see any tomato variety you are interested in, send me a PM.
Here's a tiny little variety called Mohamed. It's a "micro-dwarf" and can be grown in 1 gal container. I planted it in the center hole of a three-hole cement block. Mohamed is in the middle. A Wild strawberry on the left and a seed grown Alpine strawberry on the right.
Last year I tried Chibikko, another micro-dwarf. It was tiny as advertised, cutest large marble sized bright red fruits and prolific. But the flavor was meh and the foliage was disease prone.
Here's a tiny little variety called Mohamed. It's a "micro-dwarf" and can be grown in 1 gal container. I planted it in the center hole of a three-hole cement block. Mohamed is in the middle. A Wild strawberry on the left and a seed grown Alpine strawberry on the right.
Last year I tried Chibikko, another micro-dwarf. It was tiny as advertised, cutest large marble sized bright red fruits and prolific. But the flavor was meh and the foliage was disease prone.
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Thanks @MichaelC Please let us know what you think of Red Robin. I've never grown that variety.MichaelC wrote:Your garden looks fantastic, Applestar! I mostly grow big tomato plants, but I've got one Red Robin planted for fun this year, and it looks like it'll be the earliest producer by a long shot. I had a cage around this plant until I realized how ridiculous that was!
@tommyblaze, thank you!
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Subject: Pallet sided high raised bed hugelkultur experiment
...here is a highlight collage of how I filled the bed While I was working on the pallet sided raised bed, I noticed that the Green Sausage in the hanging basket is bloomingapplestar wrote:Ha! That's a mouthful!
I thought I'd split this off to a separate thread from my veg and tomato garden progress (although technically this bed belongs in the White Sauce Garden/Tomato Garden) and just post highlights over there since just posting the building process is turning out to be quite cumbersome.
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Update on the White Sauce Garden:
Planted the self-blanching celery -- Golden Self Blanching and Golden Pascal. I didn't take a close up of Golden Pascal but they were as white as the Golden Self Blanching in the bottom photo. I dug deep holes and dropped them in all the way to their leaves. In this part of VGB, I planted Louisiana Velvet okra, Sprite small White Honey F1 honeydew melon (sorry, I planted Sprite in a different bed), and Szentesi Feher (White from Szentes) pepper and Alma Edes sweet pepper, and White Comet eggplant. -- As soon as Oregon Sugarpod II snowpeas are done, I'm going to train the melon vines to climb the trellis. Here is the rest of the (rather ambitious) revised White Sauce Garden plans and planting map:
Planted the self-blanching celery -- Golden Self Blanching and Golden Pascal. I didn't take a close up of Golden Pascal but they were as white as the Golden Self Blanching in the bottom photo. I dug deep holes and dropped them in all the way to their leaves. In this part of VGB, I planted Louisiana Velvet okra, Sprite small White Honey F1 honeydew melon (sorry, I planted Sprite in a different bed), and Szentesi Feher (White from Szentes) pepper and Alma Edes sweet pepper, and White Comet eggplant. -- As soon as Oregon Sugarpod II snowpeas are done, I'm going to train the melon vines to climb the trellis. Here is the rest of the (rather ambitious) revised White Sauce Garden plans and planting map:
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I finally managed to plant the F1 crosses of tomatoes I practiced with this winter. The slight discernible differences in the seedlings are interesting, and I hope to see the differences develop more clearly in the plant structures and fruits as they grow.
...I learned that MF - multiflora - trait is also recessive s will not show up in this generation...
...I learned that MF - multiflora - trait is also recessive s will not show up in this generation...
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Lookin' good, apple! I hope you rescued most of your garden after that storm. And now we're getting another, this time with excess rain.
A tip on the self-irrigated containers: they will need water much sooner than our other plants, being covered with plastic. I put my timers on just a one day rain delay, but turned off all of the lines except for the SICs. I'll turn those back on, when I have to.
A tip on the self-irrigated containers: they will need water much sooner than our other plants, being covered with plastic. I put my timers on just a one day rain delay, but turned off all of the lines except for the SICs. I'll turn those back on, when I have to.
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Thanks @pepperhead212
I lost a couple of tomato plants -- one was crushed by the pea trellis, but otherwise, they seem to be OK. They are actually loving the extra moisture and taking off -- the raised rows and swales really work.
Here are the peppers in the two SIP's aside from that one Donkey Ears (which was in poor shape as a transplant anyway), everybody else seem to have settled in. One of the melons made it out of the hole.... I also sowed some poor germination Dragon Tongue wax beans along the perimeter.... (yes I know PETC )
...and another look at the Pea Eggplant and Hari Eggplant...
I lost a couple of tomato plants -- one was crushed by the pea trellis, but otherwise, they seem to be OK. They are actually loving the extra moisture and taking off -- the raised rows and swales really work.
Here are the peppers in the two SIP's aside from that one Donkey Ears (which was in poor shape as a transplant anyway), everybody else seem to have settled in. One of the melons made it out of the hole.... I also sowed some poor germination Dragon Tongue wax beans along the perimeter.... (yes I know PETC )
...and another look at the Pea Eggplant and Hari Eggplant...
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Green fruits in the spiral garden
Bosque Blue .......... Girl Girl's Weird Thing, Not Liguria Sailor's Luck .......... Hawaiian Pineapple
Juicy Saladette... lucky Cross... Japanese Black Trifele... Butter Apple juicy Saladette, Zebra Heart megabloom, Clackamas Blueberry, Samocvet Nifritovy
Carbon Copy... Jersey Giant... Dark Copia Heart... Black Seaman x PBTD F3#1 Wes... Not Purple Strawberry x Sgt. Peppers F1#1... #2...BSxPBTD F3#2
Bosque Blue .......... Girl Girl's Weird Thing, Not Liguria Sailor's Luck .......... Hawaiian Pineapple
Juicy Saladette... lucky Cross... Japanese Black Trifele... Butter Apple juicy Saladette, Zebra Heart megabloom, Clackamas Blueberry, Samocvet Nifritovy
Carbon Copy... Jersey Giant... Dark Copia Heart... Black Seaman x PBTD F3#1 Wes... Not Purple Strawberry x Sgt. Peppers F1#1... #2...BSxPBTD F3#2
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What to show first....
Apple Guild Sentinels as seen from both directions: ...I lost the only Iva's Red Berry plant I had... Is it crazy to want to grow it so much that I'm starting some more seeds NOW? Pea Eggplant and Hari Eggplant in 2nd Hand DIY SIP. I never knew THIS is how eggplants are *supposed* to look like Even the two basil plants (one Thai basil the other ??) pepperhead212 gave me last fall and struggled all winter are growing back beautifully. Thai basil is in the back: Pepper SIP's Pallet-sided High Raised Beds and Tomato SIP:
Apple Guild Sentinels as seen from both directions: ...I lost the only Iva's Red Berry plant I had... Is it crazy to want to grow it so much that I'm starting some more seeds NOW? Pea Eggplant and Hari Eggplant in 2nd Hand DIY SIP. I never knew THIS is how eggplants are *supposed* to look like Even the two basil plants (one Thai basil the other ??) pepperhead212 gave me last fall and struggled all winter are growing back beautifully. Thai basil is in the back: Pepper SIP's Pallet-sided High Raised Beds and Tomato SIP:
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...mmm... I thought it looked interesting? No I think I had more reasons, but we have to go back a couple of years. Let me find the thread and I will post the link.
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TRM (tomato russet mite) infestation is taking down or nearly taking down random plants among perfectly unaffected plants -- some with russetting all the way up the stem and wilted, some with russeted and curling leaf branches, some are very slow to grow and others are growing on despite the infestation. Based on last two year's experience, if successfully protected by the Garden Patrol, they *should* grow fresh unaffected new shoots and growths and be OK -- semi indeterminates and indeterminates will have a better chance of recovery since they are not on a clock.
With all the spotty, yellowed, and other diseased foliage everywhere (TWO plastic grocery bags full) due to more rain than usual and high humidity as well, I decided the garden needed an immune system boost -- Sunday, I sprayed some of the solanaceas and cucurbits with milk, whey, and rainwater. Monday I sprayed again -- some of the same and some that I didn't spray yesterday -- with milk, yogurt whey, and overnight steeped willow leaf/twig tea. It's supposed to rain after mid-morning today, which should help rather than hinder since the garden could have been watered yesterday but I didn't, and the willow compounds should have been absorbed and microbes should have had time to establish in the phyllo and rhizosphere.
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TRM (tomato russet mite) infestation is taking down or nearly taking down random plants among perfectly unaffected plants -- some with russetting all the way up the stem and wilted, some with russeted and curling leaf branches, some are very slow to grow and others are growing on despite the infestation. Based on last two year's experience, if successfully protected by the Garden Patrol, they *should* grow fresh unaffected new shoots and growths and be OK -- semi indeterminates and indeterminates will have a better chance of recovery since they are not on a clock.
With all the spotty, yellowed, and other diseased foliage everywhere (TWO plastic grocery bags full) due to more rain than usual and high humidity as well, I decided the garden needed an immune system boost -- Sunday, I sprayed some of the solanaceas and cucurbits with milk, whey, and rainwater. Monday I sprayed again -- some of the same and some that I didn't spray yesterday -- with milk, yogurt whey, and overnight steeped willow leaf/twig tea. It's supposed to rain after mid-morning today, which should help rather than hinder since the garden could have been watered yesterday but I didn't, and the willow compounds should have been absorbed and microbes should have had time to establish in the phyllo and rhizosphere.
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Hmm... I did NOT mention in the first two pages of the thread why. I know I needed to plant lots more tomatoes than I ver did before..... Well enjoy. It's after 2am and
I'm going to sleep.
Subject: Spiral Tomato Garden
I'm going to sleep.
Subject: Spiral Tomato Garden
applestar wrote:Waaah! My tomato seedlings NEED to get planted! (last night's low was 36°F )
I fertilized them today because they are starting to lose color from lack of nutrients and maybe not liking the accommodations.
But the forced delay HAS given me time to ponder and prep the main tomato garden for this year... I decided to make it a Tomato Spiral. Still have lotS to do but here is basicaly the "before" picture
It's roughly a 16-18 ft circle and the spiral/continuous row will be 3 feet apart. I still have to dig the good soil out of the path spiral and mound up the planting bed spiral and amend it, mulch it, etc.
I also made a narrow 2ft wide raised row along the new 20ft x 4ft high fence line which hopefull will be enough to catch any overflow.
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Did you plant the Iva Red Berry plant? Just wondering how it is doing. Can't wait to see if it catches up so late in the game.
It keeps raining here too and is humid. Not to much disease issues, except that little bit of mildew on the pumpkins a while a go. The wind has taken care of that for now. But at least the smoke haze is disappearing and we actually get to see the sun between the rain showers. Love all your pictures.
It keeps raining here too and is humid. Not to much disease issues, except that little bit of mildew on the pumpkins a while a go. The wind has taken care of that for now. But at least the smoke haze is disappearing and we actually get to see the sun between the rain showers. Love all your pictures.