Applestar's 2015 Tomato (and Pepper and Eggplant) Garden

[applestar]

...and more tomatoes...

so excited that some of the white fruited varieties for this year's White Sauce Garden are growing

[sweetiepie]

Peppers for White Sauce. Oh, that is great! This forum is the first place I have heard of white peppers and never would of thought of using them to hide in a white sauce. My kids think they hate bell peppers. So I am always dehydrating to a powder and slipping them in unnoticed. But it is hard to hide in a white sauce so I skip it.

Thank you for sharing such a great idea. Probably to late to find seed this year and plant but can't wait for next year.

[applestar]

I didn't start these until nearly last because I was afraid I would get burnt out from all of the others, and I knew I would keep going to get these planted.

More white fruited tomatoes, multiflora cherries for the columnar espalier-like training project, intriguing bi-color, antho, stripes, dwarfs, etc. (not finished either )

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[applestar]

Super-variegated Fish pepper seedlings and eggplants that we're overdue for feeding and upblocking. TOP right photo is after upblocking the biggest seedlings (no map)

[applestar]

2AM and wide awake!

Finished planting these tomato seedlings between yesterday and (today)

[Mr green]

You sure have alot going! Love the beautyness of the fish pepper!

[applestar]

I finally decided to take a breather and try counting them -- I used the spreadsheet's stat function to found the soilblocks in the maps:

...hahaha way more plants than I was blissfully unaware of...

Here is the actual list of the tomatoes (though these are not final -- there are more germinating seeds in the seedzip bags, but also some may still go down from dampening off

There are WAY more multiples than I thought there was going to be -- I guess I need to really look at the seedlings and maybe cull the weak, etc. I guess once the trays can go outside, I could re-group them so same varieties are together, though keeping them separate could be a form of insurance.

TOMATO varieties up and geowing as of March 31, 2015

Agata (Agatha)
Ananas Blau
Anmore Dewdrop
Anna's Multiflora IND.RL.red.cherry.MF
Aunt Gertie's Gold
Balkan Tiger F4 ♥️
Beauty King RL.IND.yr2cST.bfst..ml
Believe it or Not
Berner Rose / Rose de Berne
Bison
Black Cherry RL.IND.pu.cherry.
Black Mountain NOT Pink
Blush
Bosque Blue
Brazilian Beauty (not) >> red with antho foliage/fruit
Captain Lucky White
Champagne Cherry
Chello
Cherokee Tiger black chartreuse
Clackamas Blueberry RL.IND.red.round.antho
Cow's Tit
Coyote
Cream Sausage
Davids ivory Pineapple
Demidov
DL/67/249
Dragoevo ♥️
Dwarf Arctic Rose (mega)
Dwarf Beryl Beauty
Dwarf Mr. Snow
Dwarf Wild Fred
Estler's Mort Lifter RL.IND.pink.bfst.XL.vl
Ext Bush X Purple Strawberry F3 (pink dwarf)
Faelan's First Snow lv'14
Fahrenheit Blues
Floragold Basket
Gail x Everett's Rusty Oxheart Bicolor PL F3
Gartenperle
Gold Medal RL.IND.oyr2c.bfst..ml
Gold Pearl (bonsai)
Grandma Viney's Yellow and Pink (2013)
Great White
Green Sausage (2010)
Hundreds and Thousands OP/Self
Idyll .IND.red.cherry.MF
Ildi .IND.yellow.cherryg.MF.*e
Isis candy
Iva's Red Berry
Iva's Sweet White
Jewels of Ordiorne RL.IND.pu.cherry..md
Lucky Cross (2010) RL•PL.bc.bfst..vl
Ludmila's Yellow Giant
Maglia Rosa 8.22.14
Manö (2013 bright)
Mano X Matt's Wild Cherry F3
MIKADO WHITE (Potato Leaf)
Mohamed (micro)
MRxSFM F1
MRxZCMF F1
Northern Delight
NPS x (Sgt. Pepper's F4) F1 "NPSP-F1"
Old German
Orange Pixie X Orange Strawberry F3
PERLE DE LAIT
Petite Pomme Blanche
Pineapple Pig
Pink Siberian Tiger (Beauty King x OSU Blue)
Pit Viper F5 (NKG) tasty
PURPLE DRAGON (patihum) RL.IND.purple?.antho
Purple Elgin x Sgt. Pepper's F1 "-> ALONZO'S MEDALS"
Rainbow Dwarf (cat) PL
Sergeant Pepper's F5 ♥️
Shamrock F7 Jackass GWR
Stormin Norman (Sinister Minister MF) F5 Blane RL.IND.dark.cherryg.MF
Stump of the World? (HBR)
Summertime Gold
Summertime Lime
Sun Gold F1
Surpriz (Blane, 2013) (look for Xanadu)
Sutton White
Sweetie
Teton de Venus Blanc ♥️
Tumbling Tom Yellow
Vernissage Yellow
White Beauty
White Tomesol
White Wonder
WMD White sport
WOW Fedco Cherry
WSxSOW? F1
Zuckertraube "Sugar Grape"

[applestar]

PEPPER varieties up and growing so far (expecting a few more)

Pepper, Alma, Édes (sweet)
Pepper, Bolivian Rainbow
Pepper, Bonda ma Jacque
Pepper, Chocolate Cake
Pepper, Donkey Ears
Pepper, Doux Long d'Antibes Paprika
Pepper, Dunkel violetter / dark purple
Pepper, Fish supervariegated
Pepper, Hanoi Market
Pepper, Jalapeño
Pepper, King of the North
Pepper, Lipstick
Pepper, Mammoth Giant Jalapeño
Pepper, Marconi/Giant Marconi
Pepper, Mini Paprika Orange
Pepper, Mini Paprika Red
Pepper, Mini Paprika Yellow
Pepper, Peperone de Senise
Pepper, PERU WHITE HAB
Pepper, Pimiento
Pepper, Romanian Rainbow
Pepper, Sivri Biber
Pepper, Sweet Chocolate
Pepper, Sweet Ingrid
Pepper, Szentesi Feher (White from Szentes)
Pepper, Takanotsume
Pepper, Thai Dragon
Pepper, Tolli's Sweet
Pepper, Trinidad Perfum
Pepper, Yellow Cheese

[Mr green]

Wow impressive list! I used to do massive lists few years ago but I went out of hand with it so now I focus on less varieties. Mainly because chili was the one I experimented most with and are growing ok, while some not good at all here in the cold north.

Do you grow commercially and are super crazy about gardening or just super crazy about gardening?

[applestar]

I think I'm just

[applestar]

...but look, look, look!

Here are pictures of Bolivian Rainbow pepper seedlings. Last year, only one seedling survived and I was so intrigued by that single seedling! This year, I have several to compare, and they are STILL fascinating!

...their seed leaves are so dark you almost can't see them

(I put a little sand under the one in the bottom left so it shows up better)

[Mr green]

They really were dark! In the small pictures I didnt even se plants at all until I enlarged the picture, and the first set of leafes leaves such contrast with their pure green color. Does the leaves turn darker also or mainly the stem of the plant?

Its good to be when it comes to gardening!

[applestar]

Tomato update of older seedlings:

[applestar]

Tomato Varieties Growing as of April 9. (unfortunately lost some that were listed/growing previously due to damping off)

(Black Seaman x Pink Berkeley Tie-Dye) F3 PL "BSPB, F3pL"
(Cherokee Tiger x Kosovo) "Balkan Tiger" F4 pink striped? heart chartreuse ♥️
(Ext Bush X Purple Strawberry) F3 pink dwarf
(Gail x Everett's Rusty Oxheart) F3 Bicolor PL
(Mano X Matt's Wild Cherry) F3 dwarf
(Orange Pixie X Orange Strawberry) F3
(Purple Elgin x Sgt. Pepper's) F1 "-> ALONZO'S MEDALS"
(Variegated PL x Striped Big Cheef) F3 "CRY BABY" var.PL
(Variegated PL x Striped Big Cheef) F4 << F3#3
(Vintage Wine x Black Ethiopian) "Sailor's Luck" F5
{(Variegated Potato Leaf x Striped Big Cheef F4) x Faelan’s First Snow)} F1 "VR4-F1"
{(Variegated Potato Leaf x Striped Big Cheef F4) x Faelan’s First Snow)} F2 "VR4-F2"
{Faelan's First Snow x (Variegated PL x Striped Big Cheef F3 "Karson's First")}"MOONLIGHT MILE" F2 (variegated striped)
{Faelen's First Snow x ?} "Copper Penny" F3 *look for variegated*
{Maglia Rosa x (Stump of the World? HBR + Faelan's First Snow less variegated + Matt's Wild Cherry)} "MRxSFM" F1
{Maglia Rosa x (Zluta Kytice + Coyote + Matt's Wild Cherry + Faerlan's First Snow less variegated)} "MRxZCMF" F1
{NPS x (Sgt. Pepper's F4)} F1 "NPSP-F1"
{Whippersnapper x (Stump of the World? HBR)} "WSxSOW?" F1
1884 Purple <seedlings failure - D.off>
Agata (Agatha)
Amethyst Cream
Ananas Blau <seedlings failure - D.off>
Anmore Dewdrop
Anna's Multiflora IND.RL.red.cherry.MF
Aunt Gertie's Gold
Beauty King RL.IND.yr2cST.bfst..ml
Believe it or Not
Berner Rose / Rose de Berne
Bison
Black Cherry RL.IND.pu.cherry.
Black Mountain NOT Pink
Blush
Bosque Blue
Brazilian Beauty (not) >> red with antho foliage/fruit
Butter Apple PL.IND.saladette.yellowstr.early-mid
Captain Lucky White
Carbon Copy
Champagne Cherry
Chello
Cherokee Lime Stripes
Cherokee Tiger black chartreuse
Clackamas Blueberry RL.IND.red.round.antho
Cow's Tit
Coyote
Cream Sausage
Dark Copia Heart ♥️
Davids ivory Pineapple
Demidov
DL/67/249
Dragoevo ♥️ <seedlings failure - D.off>
Dwarf Arctic Rose (mega)
Dwarf Beryl Beauty
Dwarf Mr. Snow
Dwarf Wild Fred
Estler's Mort Lifter RL.IND.pink.bfst.XL.vl
Faelan's First Snow (more variegation) '14
Faelan's First Snow (less variegation) '14
Fahrenheit Blues
Fish Lake Oxheart ♥️ .IND.pink.heart..
Floragold Basket
Gartenperle
Girl Girl's Weird Thing like Gixx's (patihum)
Gold Medal RL.IND.oyr2c.bfst..ml
Gold Nugget[/s] <seedlings failure - D.off>
Gold Pearl (bonsai)
Grandma Viney's Yellow and Pink (2013)
Great White
Green Sausage (2010)
Grightmire's Pride ♥️ .IND.pink.heart..
Hawaiian Pineapple
Hundreds and Thousands OP/Self
Idyll .IND.red.cherry.MF
Ildi .IND.yellow.cherryg.MF.*e
Isis candy
Iva's Red Berry
Iva's Sweet White
Japanese Black Trifele
Jersey Giant
Jewels of Ordiorne RL.IND.pu.cherry..md
Juicy Saladette (2009)
Kõningin der Frùhen / Queen of the early (2008)
Lucky Cross (2010) RL•PL.bc.bfst..vl
Ludmila's Yellow Giant
Lyn's Mahogany Garnet
Maglia Rosa 8.22.14
Manö (2013 bright)
MIKADO WHITE (Potato Leaf)
Mocross Elgin #9
Mohamed (micro)
Nebraska Wedding RL.DET.orange.globe..vl
Northern Delight
NOT Liguria .IND.red.prolific.early
Old German
PERLE DE LAIT
Petite Pomme Blanche
Pineapple Pig
Pink Siberian Tiger (OSU Blue x Beauty King)
Pit Viper (Rumplestiltskin "a dwarf, of red-ish orange bicolors" x Grinch Brown PL) F5 (NKG) tasty
PURPLE DRAGON (OSU Blue x Black and Brown Boar) RL.IND.purple?.antho (patihum)
Rainbow Dwarf (cat) PL
Rose Quartz Multiflora
Samocvet Nefritovy
Sergeant Pepper's (OSU Blue x pink German Red Strawberry) F5 pink ♥️ antho top
Shamrock F7 Jackass GWR
Stormin Norman (Sinister Minister MF, Black Plum x Sweet Beverley) F5 Blane RL.IND.dark.cherryg.MF
Stump of the World
Stump of the World? (HBR volunteer)
Summertime Gold
Summertime Lime
Sun Belle
Sun Gold F1
Surpriz (Blane, 2013) (look for Xanadu)
Sutton White
Sweetie
Terhune
Teton de Venus Blanc ♥️
Tumbling Tom Yellow
Vernissage Yellow
Wes ❤️
White Beauty
White Tomesol
White Wonder
WMD White sport
WOW Fedco Cherry
Zebra Heart ♥️ RL.IND.gwr2c.stripes.redBE
Zuckertraube "Sugar Grape"

[sweetiepie]

That is great! I can't wait to see pictures of them fruiting.

[applestar]

THE PLANS

STARTING TO PLANT....

[dtizme]

Quite the list you got there. Hope it all works out for you !!!

[applestar]

2015 Spiral Garden -- all except variegated plants have been planted (one Fahrenheit Blues in reserve due to wimpy size, Dwarf Emerald Giant NOT photo is missing, Surpriz to be selected and planted)
***click to see the photos in full size/more detail***

OUTER SPIRAL

11:00-3:00 arc
Lyn's Mahogany Garnet, Nebraska Wedding, Gritmire's Pride

Körnigin der Fruhen (Queen of Early), Purple Dragon, Purple Dragon

Grandma Viney's Yellow and Pink, Sailor's Luck (Vintage Wine x Black Ethiopian) F5

Cow's Tit (2), Gail x Everett's Rusty Oxheart Bi-color PL F3, Brazillian Beauty NOT

Terhune (3), Cherokee Lime Stripes, Ludmilla's Yellow Giant

Gold Medal, Bosque Blue, Girl Girl's Weird Thing (2), Not Liguria

[applestar]

2015 Spiral Grden

3:30-5:30 arc
Clackamas Blueberry (2), Samocvet Nefritovy, Hawaiian Pineapple

6:30-7:30 arc
**missing Dwarf Emerald Giant NOT**, Zebra Heart, Pink Siberian Tiger (2), MoCross Elgin #9

7:30-9:00 arc
Northern Delight, Believe It Or Not, (Purple Elgin x Sergeant Pepper's) F1 (2)

9:00-11:00 arc
Fishlake Oxheart, Fishlake Oxheart, Black Mountain NOT Pink, **Surpriz to be planted**

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[applestar]

2015 Spiral Garden

INNER SPIRAL

11:00-13:00 arc

Juicy Saladette (2), Lucky Cross

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Stump of the World? HBR (2), Japanese Black Trifele (2)

Butter Apple, Fahrenheit Blues

Old German, Carbon Copy

[applestar]

2015 Spiral Garden

14:00-22:00 arc

Beauty King, Earl's Faux, Jersey Giant (2)

Aunt Gertie's Gold, Dark Copia Heart F5, Dark Copia Heart F5

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(Black Seaman x Pink Berkeley Tie Dye) F3

(Not Purple Strawberry x Sergeant Pepper's) F1

Wes

Berner Rose/Rose de Berne, (Gail x Everett's Rusty Oxheart) Bi-color PL F3

[applestar]

I posted pictures of the high antho varieties in this thread: Subject: What's your most anticipated • intriguing tomato so far?

Here are variegated foliage tomato varieties I'm growing this year. As with the high antho varieties, some of these are still segregating crosses and still not commercially available:

These are the next generation Faelan's First Snow (FFS) in my selected line of "Cherokee Purple type large fruited more variegated". I think the one at front and center is the most interesting and maybe the one on the top right, and the closest one in the community pot of seedlings that I had thought weren't variegated also.

There is another line deriving from Faelan's First Snow which was not variegated and produced smaller I think yellow(?) fruits. Gixxerific grew this line out and last year's generation produced odd bicolor fruits and was designated "Copper Penny" It is thought to be an accidental bee cross with something else, but some of the seedlings grown from the seeds he distributed are expressing variegation this year. One of my three seedlings was one of these:
[photo to be added later]

Next one is called Variegated PL x Striped Big Cheef and designated VPLxSBC. I have a F4 generation growing from a larger fruited F3 selection I grew last year. This year's surprise was that some of the seedlings which were supposed to be all PL turned up RL. I separated them into these two orange community containers, and just one of the RL developed a rather lovely variegation. You can see many more variegated seedlings in the PL group on the right. I'm currently hearing that the RL indicates accidental cross in the previous generation. I'm wondering if stray pollen from the Faelan's First Snow which was growing next to it could have contributed to the variegated RL.

Someone made a specific selection out of the VPLxSBC and have named the segregate which is at F3 generation "Cry Baby". The seedlings are all PL as they should be:

This one is designated VRFF. unlike my (possible) accident, it's an intentional cross of ((VPLxSBC F3) x FFS). Thanks to the breeder, I'm growing some of both F1 and F2 generations:
F1:

One of the F2's turned out to be a PL:

{other F2 photo to be posted later}

...but gixxerific has a much much more intriguing, more mature plant of this cross...

Last but not least, I have another cross -- this time opposite parenting cross of (FFS x (VPLxSBC)) -- the mother is always listed first. The breeder for this cross had selected a segregate of VPLxSBC and called it "Karson's First". I think Karson's First was an F2, but I will have to check. This cross is designated "Moonlight Mile" and it is at F2.

[applestar]

Update. Everything seems to have doubled in size after 3 days of rain.... Spiral Path/Swale is functioning as intended. I tossed some mosquito bits in there today in case the soil is saturated and the swale holds the water for a while.

Aluminum pan birdscares are guarding the Seascape strawberries.

[applestar]

Some of the smaller compact dwarf varieties in 3 gal containers:

One of the "micro" dwarfs called Mohamed planted in a cement block hole:

Some of the "basket cases" -- trying varieties that are supposed to be good for growing in hanging baskets. These are usually sprawling (tending to flop and not grow upward due to weak stem) determinate varieties. The branch tip terminated by the floral/fruit truss weighs down and hangs nicely.

Cream Sausage, Green Sausage, Tumbling Tom Yellow

Hundreds and Thousands, Anmore Dewdrop

[applestar]

Yay! Another tomato bed finished! This one is all (more or less) dwarfs that are going in the ground to see what their potentials are

Balkan Tiger F4 Pink saladette heart
Balkan Tiger F4 Pink saladette heart
Bison (not?)dwf red saladette
Chello dwf red cherry
Cherokee Tiger Black chartreuse notdwf dark plum
Dwarf Arctic Rose (mega) dwf Pink saladette-salad
Dwarf Beryl Beauty (not)dwf GWR
Dwarf Wild Fred dwf dark saladette-salad
Ext Bush X Purple Strawberry F3 (dwarf) Pink? Purple? (Heart?)
Mano X Matt's Wild Cherry F3 dwf Red large cherry-saladette
Mano X Matt's Wild Cherry F3 not dwf? Red large cherry-saladette >> Fence
Orange Pixie X Orange Strawberry F3 dwf Orange saladette heart
OrangePixie X Orange Strawberry F3 notdwf Orange saladette heart
Pit Viper F5 (NKG tasty) dwf Dark with GWR interior no red bicolor core saladette
Rainbow Dwarf (cat) PL notdwf Yellow-red bi-color salad beefsteak
Shamrock F7 (Jackass GWR) dwf GWR salad beefsteak
Summertime Gold PL dwf yellow
Summertime Lime (not)dwf GWR

[applestar]

I was SOOO exhausted yesterday that I didn't have the energy left to take pictures and I couldn't get back outside to figure out the map. I heard about a disaster in another gardener's tomato patch when an errant squirrel made off with her surveryer's tape tomato labels, so I was super anxious -- I had no other record since, this time, I didn't start by drawing up a map.

I asked DD1 if she would go out and sketch them out and write down the names and where the tapes were tied on the tomato cages. She did, meticulously. So I was able to put together my map and rest easy.

... the empty red circle is for a special variety that I only have one seedling of, and it wasn't lookng good -- not strong enough to get planted -- so I uppotted it to TLC it a bit. I was going to plant another Rainbow Dwarf in that orange circle, but the seedling was on its last leg. We've had days of super hot, super cold, then rain. Heavy rains night before that nearly melted the soil blocks and washed many of the roots bare... (I had to cover them all with potting mix). Now that I'm reviewing the map, I might take out that blue cage and leave the spot open for access to the interior of this patch. I think I'm going to need it.

Yep. The tomatoes are sharing this bed with strawberries. But IME they are good companions since the strawberries are pretty shallow rooted and the tomato roots will dig deeper. And the strawberries will keep the root zone shaded.

[applestar]

I keep telling myself I'm almost done... But it looks like I really need to get the support system set up in the Spiral Garden. Some of those tomato plants are threatening to flop over.

These eggplants in the SIP that looked like this when planted:

are greening up nicely now (though I'll probably replace that silly onion with a basil or two )

Got the Multiflora cherry tomatoes planted in a new bed. These will be trained as cordons and some of them will get to use the special spiral stakes. Others will have to use regular bamboo stakes.

...the rest of the cherry varieties will be going in after the plastic covered area dies down a bit...

[sweetiepie]

I love your mapping and pictures to match. Your making me think I need to try more than 8 varieties next year. I can't wait to see the harvest. It is hard to imagine those little plants becoming sprawling giants but they do.

[applestar]

Thanks, @sweetiepie. If you see any tomato variety you are interested in, send me a PM.

Here's a tiny little variety called Mohamed. It's a "micro-dwarf" and can be grown in 1 gal container. I planted it in the center hole of a three-hole cement block.

Mohamed is in the middle. A Wild strawberry on the left and a seed grown Alpine strawberry on the right.

Last year I tried Chibikko, another micro-dwarf. It was tiny as advertised, cutest large marble sized bright red fruits and prolific. But the flavor was meh and the foliage was disease prone.

[MichaelC]

Your garden looks fantastic, Applestar! I mostly grow big tomato plants, but I've got one Red Robin planted for fun this year, and it looks like it'll be the earliest producer by a long shot. I had a cage around this plant until I realized how ridiculous that was!

[tommyblaze]

Your garden looks amazing!

[applestar]

Your garden looks fantastic, Applestar! I mostly grow big tomato plants, but I've got one Red Robin planted for fun this year, and it looks like it'll be the earliest producer by a long shot. I had a cage around this plant until I realized how ridiculous that was!

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Thanks @MichaelC Please let us know what you think of Red Robin. I've never grown that variety.

@tommyblaze, thank you!

[applestar]

Subject: Pallet sided high raised bed hugelkultur experiment

Ha! That's a mouthful!

I thought I'd split this off to a separate thread from my veg and tomato garden progress (although technically this bed belongs in the White Sauce Garden/Tomato Garden) and just post highlights over there since just posting the building process is turning out to be quite cumbersome.

...here is a highlight collage of how I filled the bed

While I was working on the pallet sided raised bed, I noticed that the Green Sausage in the hanging basket is blooming

[applestar]

I planted the rest of the tomatoes for the White Sauce Garden in the pallet sided high raised bed and the SIP this morning

[applestar]

Update on the White Sauce Garden:

Planted the self-blanching celery -- Golden Self Blanching and Golden Pascal. I didn't take a close up of Golden Pascal but they were as white as the Golden Self Blanching in the bottom photo. I dug deep holes and dropped them in all the way to their leaves.

In this part of VGB, I planted Louisiana Velvet okra, Sprite small White Honey F1 honeydew melon (sorry, I planted Sprite in a different bed), and Szentesi Feher (White from Szentes) pepper and Alma Edes sweet pepper, and White Comet eggplant. -- As soon as Oregon Sugarpod II snowpeas are done, I'm going to train the melon vines to climb the trellis.

Here is the rest of the (rather ambitious) revised White Sauce Garden plans and planting map:

[applestar]

I finally managed to plant the F1 crosses of tomatoes I practiced with this winter. The slight discernible differences in the seedlings are interesting, and I hope to see the differences develop more clearly in the plant structures and fruits as they grow.

...I learned that MF - multiflora - trait is also recessive s will not show up in this generation...

[applestar]

Finished planting the cordon style cherry tomato bed along the Empterprise Apple garden rabbit fence -- a.k.a. "Apple Guild Sentinels"

The ones planted earlier in the new outside bed are looking good

[applestar]

I'm hoping to take update photos of individual tomatoes in the Spiral Garden tomorrow. Most are blooming and some have little green fruits

Here's the view from the upstair's window:

-- yes, I planted my Super Dwarf Cavendish Banana in the center of the Spiral.

[Igotworms]

great looking garden! I have a dwarf cavendish plant also but I put mine in a large pot.

[sweetiepie]

Oh, I was wondering how things were going after your storm. Glad to see something still exists.