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Re: What should I do with this space?

I know coconuts are salt tolerant, but I don't know much else about their needs. I am sure they need a lot of sun though. They grow tall so they might get more sun that way. Still, probably too narrow of a space for them though.

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@rainbowgardener - I love the hydrangeas in that picture!

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I have no idea if they grow in your climate and soil; I think they need some cold dormancy. But if not, I imagine you could find something that gives a similar effect. Like I said, you have plenty of room for stuff like that. Think big! :) I think it has much more impact to have the mix of tall and little plants, than just a row of small stuff.

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I think it was iron grindings dad put under the hydrangeas to turn the flowers blue. I don't remember them going dormant on the ranch.



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I keep thinking about your space and imagining it beautiful. :) To start with, I would take down the razor wire and then paint the fence... a nice blue or dark green or redwood or brick colored... It will give you a nice hit of color, but once there are shrubs and trees, maybe a trellis etc, , it won't be so massive and will be more like peeps of color showing through.

I keep thinking about benches. Because you don't have planting areas on both sides, you don't want a bench in the middle of the ground side looking at the blank wall (even though you can put a narrow planter with a trellis on that wall). And you don't have room on the walk way to have a bench facing the garden (unless you want to redo part of the walkway to curve out past the bench which might be kind of cool). So I was thinking two benches perpendicular to the fence facing each other to make a conversation area. Sort of like this:

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though this is the very fancy version and it wouldn't need to be. Could be smaller and simpler and even home made. I would want the bench backs to be trellis so you could grow stuff up it, which would blend it in to the garden better. Think about grapevine, with bunches of grapes dangling down from the overhead cross pieces. :)

Don't mind me, I'm just throwing things out to stimulate your imagination, because I got charmed by the idea.

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You may be able to grow hydrangeas. I can in zone 12a in shade and keeping them moist. You might have to add some organic matter to the soil since it is sandy to help hold water.

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@Rainbowgardener all these ideas are so inspiring - I've created a "Side Alley" board on Pinterest (https://www.pinterest.com/gillespieza/ga ... de-allies/)

;) (I'm gillespieza on pinterest too)

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Beautiful! I do think it helps to have some models for inspiration. You made a beautiful page of them.

The house I have is basically at the top of a very long hill. The little front yard has been flattened, but most of the rest of our long, skinny property slopes down in two directions. The main flat area in the back was a grey concrete patio with an ugly broken down solid wooden fence around it on 3 sides making it look like the yard was nothing but a little box.

I found a beautiful inspiration photo to model after and now people love it. Fence is gone, I hired someone to cut grooves in the patio to make it look like large pavers, and stained it terra cotta. It has gardens along the three sides, one of which is a half circle. I put two raised beds on top of it and a fire pit and seating area. There's a pond in a garden at the entrance to it and a bit of statuary here and there. Tree in a big pot.

Which brings me to next point. If your brick walk didn't exist, I would have done something freer, with some curve. But like my patio, I think your walk is kind of a given. I considered having the patio jackhammered out (harder than removing your bricks), but decided not only would it be very expensive, but the soil under it would be totally dead, worthless and I would end up having to grow in raised beds anyway. I think a similar consideration applies to you. Removing and redoing the walkway would be very expensive and/or a ton of work. Under the brick will be some inches of paver sand and under that will be very compacted soil.

I think working with the givens is part of the design challenge! I do think starting from what you have, you can still make it beautiful.

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Well, the brick walkway is not set in stone (pardon the atrocious pun). It was there when we moved in, but the brickwork is rather shoddy, and worse, it is slanted toward the house, so in conjunction with the broken gutteres (we'll get to replacing them before the rainy season starts, promise!) we have a rising damp problem. So we had planned to relay that section anyway, perhaps with a French drain toward the back garden (there is an ever so slight slope).

So I am totally open to completely redoing the paving.

I recall someone saying to me not to have a flowerbed right up against the foundations (for damp problems) - anyone heard of that or agree with that?

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On a different topic.. if you like lots of color and want to jazz it up as in the first pic I posted, you could paint your fence uprights a contrasting color to the horizontal fencing.

And if you want to dress up the long blank wall some (along with trellis), there is this:

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Since you do have windows in that wall. Since (at least some?) are casement windows, it probably wouldn't work to have things sitting on a sill, but you could just hang window box type planters, below the window.


And I think you are right as in one of your pinterest pics - if behind the blank end wall is back yard, then that should be opened up, to be wrought iron or something else that lets air and light through and lets you see glimpses of the yard behind.

I hope you are as excited about this project as I am! :) If you didn't live half the world away, I would volunteer to come help! Don't forget to take before, during, and after pictures and show us.

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I haven't been making plant suggestions, because I don't know anything about what grows there, but I saw this and thought of your space.


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All the pinks and reds are caladiums, which come in a whole range of pinks, reds, whites, variegations, white with green, etc etc. They are a tropical shade plant. For me, they have to be dug and stored for the winter, but for you I'm pretty sure they would be hardy all year.

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Your enthusiasm augments my own enthusiasm! I can hardly wait to start - but first I need to thoroughly research some plant choices (I can't tell you how much money I've wasted on plants that died, over the years - probably due to poor planning on my part), sketch a plan for the area, paint the fence, decide on a colour first (I like the alternate upright colour plan!), fix the gutters and decide what to do about the paving before planting anything.

I probably won't do any benches or anything, because the hubby and I are really not outdoor people (I know, right - and yet I garden? WTH? LOL).

What I will do is plan various focal points so that looking out the windows of my office and the lounge gets the most impact.

We are also planning on replacing the windows with tilt-and-turn windows (which open inwards), which will necessitate spanish style exterior burglar guards - perfect for hanging plants and things :) (yes, burglar guards are essential [and butt ugly, IMHO] in South African homes, due to the high rate of home burglaries).

And we are going to build a proper wall/fence in the front garden so the doggies can't escape (our current garden fence is knee high), which means that either we can remove the wall and gate at the top of the alley you see in the pic, or rather, replace it with something less ugly (it might be useful to occasionally be able to lock the dogs in the front or back yard, for whatever reason).

So I need to finish all this "construction" first, I think. Still, its fun to plan!
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Ooo, I like the caladiums - the shape would complement the shape of delicious monsters, but with colour! And that ivy - I already have a similar looking ivy growing on the other side of the house. Perhaps I could transplant some (although it spreads pretty invasively). And I like the flagstone path - less labour intensive (and hence less expensive) than re-laying a paved walkway...

For plant choices, I thought, if I move the walkway, a "hedge" of sword ferns (eg the Boston sword fern - but not that one because that is classed as an alien invasive plant here) up against the foundations would look nice - I know these must be hardy plants, because my mom had some in her garden when I was growing up, so they must tolerate neglect very well ;)

I also absolutely love love love tree ferns (I know they take ages to grow), so I'm guessing a kind of tropical look is going to start emerging if I continue along that vein.

Which means: delicious monsters, perhaps some agapanthus (grows fantastically here in the Cape - especially if you get the winter-rainfall variety, not the rarer summer rainfall variety, although they prefer sunlight in order to flower). Perhaps some variegated hostas for a change in colour (but I've never seen them for sale here in SA - not that I've specifically looked for them, mind you), impatience (because they are low maintenance, I think?), some shade-tolerant ornamental grasses for texture (maybe Mondi grass?), some asparagus fern, foxtail fern or maidenhair ferns for texture, some clivias (I already have 2 in containers). Maybe some persian shield for the interesting colour.

Of course, I'll limit the plant choices and repeat, rather than having ALL of them - otherwise it might look very cluttered. And because its mostly shady, I'll focus on dramatic foliage and texture, rather than flowers.

Maybe a couple of cast iron chairs in case we do decide to sit outside in the cool - although I'll probably end up using the chairs as stands for something pretty in a pot. Some ornaments, like a plain urn, or some empty pots or cement balls or something...

In the Western Cape (South Africa), I'm not exactly in a tropical climate, but I do know most of those plants grow well here if they get enough water in the dry summer period. Or at least, they seem to not die off in my friends' gardens' ;).

My climate is "Mediterranean" - cool wet winters, dry hot summers, some very windy periods. No frost or snow - I'm on the coast. Winter temperatures are about 10-15C [50-50 F] (very occasionally cooler if the inland areas get snow on top of their mountains). Summer temperatures are frequently in their 30s [around 90 F]

So... if anyone has experience with any of these plants and can offer tips or anything (or even alternative suggestions), please feel free :)
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Well you are absolutely right that this is a multi-year plan "we" ( :) ) have been developing and the first step has to be the hardscaping, like walkway and fence.

I can't imagine after you do all this, not wanting to sit out in it, but to each his own. But I still recommend at least A little bench somewhere. If you notice as in picture 2 I posted with the blue bench, it kind of breaks things up, from just whole bunch of plants. The cottage garden thing, especially done on such a large scale, has to be done a little carefully not to just look weedy. You are exactly right about the focal points/ vignettes, not only to make nice views out the window, but to give some structure in the garden. A bench could be one and if it ends up being a plant bench instead of a people bench, that's ok too. My deck has an 8' long bench that we built specifically to be a plant bench and it is great.

Your plant choices are fine. I do like including some ornamental grasses. I'd just be careful with the ivy. It is so invasive. You will have to keep on it all the time or you will just have an ivy garden. Google Mediterranean gardens for lots more ideas. Jasmine would be a really nice vine for covering some of the fence or trellis, without being so invasive, and deliciously fragrant on top. Grapevine would be really nice and then eventually you would have grapes! Orange or lemon trees would be traditional in a Mediterranean garden (and come in dwarf varieties). Again they have wonderfully fragrant blossoms and eventually in a few years some fruit. We didn't really talk about fragrance, but I think it is an important part of a garden and will be really nice outside the windows. I grew up in Southern Calif with jasmine right outside my bedroom window and it was wonderful.

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Thanks - I unfortunately have to avoid jasmine because my husband is allergic to it (which is a shame, because I like the smell of jasmine). And I avoid grapevines because the fruit is toxic to dogs :(

Not sure the citrus will enjoy the partial shade (but I have a lemon and lime tree on the sunny side, so that's at least something)

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Wow you are really having fun planning the space! I can't wait to see what you do with it. :D

I was thinking about plant choices -- I have been trying to only plant native species for unharvested self seeding annual, perennial, and woody shrubs/trees/vines in my own garden, and working on removing invasive non-native species. But of course I have no suggestion to make for your location. So I started looking around and came across this website. In case you haven't seen it already, you may find it helpful in your research. :mrgreen:

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Thanks - I do know that site. I've been referring to it extensively for the planning of my front garden, which I would like to be entirely indigenous (a whole 'nother project, that one, which can only be started once we've done the wall in front, or everything will get trampled). That site, and plantzafrica.com, which is run by our national Biodiversity unit.

Ooo, this is so much fun - and of course I thoroughly appreciate all the input from everyone. I hope its inspiring "y'all" before your spring planting starts :)

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Oooo, ooo! Look what I just discovered on Pinterest - climbing hydrangea! I didn't know you got such a thing. Dunno if that will work with the tropical plant look - although looking at the shape and colour of the leaves, I don't see why not!

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On another note, I've been looking up different climate zoning systems, and I think Los Angeles would be a close matche to the climate in my area. "warm, dry summer, sub-tropical Csb" , or possibly "hot, dry summer subtropical Csa" - Wikipedia can't agree within it's own article on the subject.
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Very nice!

Sorry about the citrus suggestion earlier. You are right about too shady and I knew that. Just for a minute I got carried away with thinking about Mediterranean gardens... And really sorry your husband is allergic to jasmine. I would so love to live somewhere where jasmine is hardy. I tried growing one in a pot and bringing it in for the winter. It grew and grew, but I never could get it to flower that way.

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I've been thinking about planting a yesterday-today-tomorrow bush somewhere in the garden (not the shady alley) - I think the smell from those is quite similar to jasmine (not up-close, but when you get the occasional whiff from the garden), and hubby ain't allergic to that, so at least I can add something smelly to the garden :)

And don't worry about getting carried away - its fun and that's what these forums are for :D

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I've been obsessing over painting the wall now, since your suggestion, and I can't choose a colour! Going with the tropical shade look, I thought green but then that might be too much green, and why not have a contrast? And keeping with the theme, what do you think of a kind of sea-green or Caribbean ocean blue for the wall?

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Nice choices. Although I mentioned dark green in there, that would be the choice if you wanted to blend it in more. But I really like the ones you have picked. Most of them would be fine. I'd stay away from the nearly white ends of the strips and go with something darker. 2nd picture bottom row, bigger squares, I really like the 2nd from right end, the dark blue. But as I said most of them would be nice.

I have trouble with paint selection too. :) I think it is easier not to start by looking for which you like best, but start throwing out the ones you like least. When you have it reduced down to a manageable few, do pairwise comparisons. Then the trick is not to stress over small shade differences. When you get to that point, any of them would be great, so flip a coin.

Then pick a contrast color which would be a warm color ( red orange pink yellow) or a neutral ( black white brown gray). Then think about painting the outside of your window frames in your contrast color, along with the fence uprights, including the sills and maybe even the little bit of wall where the windows are inset. The color of your brick walkway might be a good choice for contrast color and tie everything together.

And then show pictures! :)

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So, I had to start on the back garden instead of this section, as an "emergency" fix to one of my dogs continually digging under the fence and escaping, but while buying a load of mushroom compost for it, I found this beautiful Rough Tree Fern going for a third of the price I've seen it at my regular nurseries, so I bought it "in advance". I don't know if it will be too hot for it here - I'm going to leave it in it's bag and watch how it responds to this area before permanent planting.

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I also picked up a Black Eyed Susan vine (yellow) - its indigenous to Southern and Eastern Africa, so it should grow very well here as a perennial - and hopefully cover the razor wire and provide a splash of colour. You can't see it because its on the other side of the cross wall, but there is an ugly tree stump that could do with a nice cover of Black Eyed Susans - and from there it should creep along the razor relatively easily.

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