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For comparison, these were some of the most notable expressions of Shimofuri F5 variegation last year:

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A close-up —
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Variegated/striped calyces, too —
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Gorgeous colors!
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(Bottom-right — Shimofuri#1-1 F5 is also showing some of the wild colors.)
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'Splash of Cream'! I saw that name when I Googled for extra photos of the variegated plant. So yeah I might just call it Splash of Cream. It does sound fancier. So what about the fruits? I don't think they're bi-colored are they? Aren't they just small and red?

Boy, I gotta tell you. This has been the saddest birthday I've ever had. (Before my birthday got here I've been telling my mom I didn't want anything special done; because I like to be left alone on my birthday to do what I want, but my mother doesn't do what I tell her and wanted me there for cake and gifts at my grandmother's.)This morning at church I heard that our beloved piano player passed away. She was a very well loved and huggable person and liked her coleus I'd give her. I miss her something terrible. Cried all the way home. Told my mother that I was in NO party mood; too sorrowful to celebrate and wanted to postpone it; so we did. We're supposed to get a bad storm tonight(what else is new???) but it kinda suits my mood anyway.

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Condolences for your loss... understandable to be saddened and not feel celebratory mood, but I’m glad that it’s your birthday.
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Thank-you. Maybe I can have a happier birthday later.....if I survive this next storm that is. Why they always seem to come in the night, I don't know. I'd better make sure everything's tied down.

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Last of the pea vines were harvested and removed from VGC and from the KG, and the tomato cages used for peas were re-allocated to eggplants in VGB and compact-determinate tomatoes in the Kitchen Garden and Patio containers.

Cucumbers that were sowed in VGC next to Emerald Archer peas are starting to wave tendrils around (another reason for removing those tomato cages) — I have to build them a vertical trellis — bamboo pole frame and strings or flat wire panel.

Tomatoes are growing in leaps and bounds, needing constant sucker removal and tying up.

10-day forecast of high 80’s ~ mid 90’s — summer is definitely here.
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Done! — 5 bamboo poles, three 1/2” tees and one 1” pvc tee plus 1/2” and 3/4” pvc stabilizing extenders.

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Wow. That's gorgeous!! :-() You should put pictures of your garden in Better Homes and Gardens! :wink: That's beautiful. I envy people who can grow better stuff than me....and doesn't have concrete clay. :cry:

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By the way, @Applestar, I saved some seeds out of my 'mystery tomato'. I wasn't too pleased with the way the variety did,(plant split, fruit split and a couple of fruits had blossom end rot) but OH...WOOOWWWW was that fruit good!!! I mean it just burst with strong flavor! It was great! :-() I'm hoping whatever this is isn't a hybrid and the seeds come true to type. However I'm wondering if this type just isn't suited for this area. @Applestar, if you would like some of these seeds to see how it does for you I'm happy to share! :)

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Thanks for the offer @TomatoNut, but I’m going to decline. I don’t know if you noticed, but I keep getting myself in way over my head, spreading too thin, and all that. nutz:

So I’m actually trying NOT to plant so many (yeah and failing) — I have way too many different varieties as it is — never counted but probably over 300... maybe more. -helpsos-
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This morning, rocks I had tentatively arranged along the pond edge had been disturbed, some has been pushed into the pond, lilypads were turned over, shredded, arrowleaf stems snapped, and when I went outside, I realized pale colored things floating everywhere were lily flower petals and there were two flowers that had bloomed yesterday and closed for the night, that had been decimated, and a new white flowerbud had been snapped off.

I knew from past experience that these were likely signs of raccoon mischief ...and sure enough — ‘coon tracks around the rice/corn paddy and half of the corn that had been struggling in there have disappeared:

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...there had been 10 feeder goldfish and minnows in the paddy that DD and I have been trying unsuccessfully to rescue/retrieve since the water level has been going down and we’re looking at possible drought + 90’s temp for the next 10 days.... Well, it looks like the raccoon(s) did their own version of fish-rescue. I did see and managed to scoop up one gold fish out of the muddy remaining puddles and returned it to the wire rack-covered (foresight thus proven to be correct) tub with the other backup fish, but I can’t tell if there are any others left. :|


...this does not bode well for my meager patch of corn..... :x
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Oh wow. 300 tomato varieties! I'm impressed! That might be because you have some of own cross bred stuff in there right?

Aww, sorry about your corn.

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applestar wrote:Done! — 5 bamboo poles, three 1/2” tees and one 1” pvc tee plus 1/2” and 3/4” pvc stabilizing extenders.

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I wish your pictures would get larger I would like to see details. I see you have Ts on the end of bamboo and bamboo running through all the Ts but what do they do I don't see plants on them. How do you get so many pictures on 1 photo? I am camera shopping my camera is about 10 years old. About 8 yrs ago I planted 15' and 30' bamboo at the other house I kept it in a very small spot but new owner has done nothing it has taken over the whole black yard. If he cuts more down and throws it on the street again this year for city to haul away I am getting some. Not sure yet what I will do with bamboo but I am looking for ideas.

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I’m using an iPad — When I tap on the picture, it pops up a larger view. I can also pinch-zoom the picture both on the forum screen or the popped up window — can you do that on your computer? I think usually a keyboard shortcut like Ctrl-<+> (plus key) and Ctrl-<-> (minus key) or something like that if I remember correctly....

But details won’t be sharp beyond 1 MP which is the (reduced) size of the file link I post. If it’s would be better to post a higher resolution, I could go to 2MP or even larger?

Here’s a 2 MP version:
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Description of the trellis as pictured —

- I have butchers twine tied between bamboo poles 1-2 and 3-4 at 4 to 5 inch intervals.

- The twine ladders are wrapped around the bamboo on both sides

- Narrow Poles 1-2 currently has 5 string ladders — Supporting 2 bigger tomato plants between each of the 4 string ladders, hooking the leaf stems over them, and there are also 2 small cucumber plants that barely reach the first ladder, just above the top of the pallet wood ...probably hard to see.

- Poles 2-3 is a narrow walkway gap.

- the larger space between Poles 3-4 currently has 2 cucumber plants that have been coaxed between the first ladder strings and tendrils that are touching/grabbing the 2nd ladder strings as well as a small tomato plant that is just barely reaching the 2nd ladder strings.

- There are also 3 or 4 melon seedlings that just recently sprouted along the base of the pallet wood here that are not visible (well you can see the seedleaves in the 2MP version if you are looking for them.) They may or may not be trained up the vertical trellis. There will be strings tied to the overhead cross beam pole and secured below, either to the pallet wood, ground stakes, or just looped to the plants themselves (their weight will make the strings taught)

- I may secure wire ladders or a fence panel to the bamboo uprights at a later date if the strings seem inadequate

- I’m debating about adding more along one or more borders of this bed, to which these will be secured/braced against. If not, I will probably add some kind of diagonal bracing to keep the flat vertical from falling/blowing over.
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I’m using a photo collage app. I take and want to show many pictures, so this seems to work out better.
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Gary350 wrote:... How do you get so many pictures on 1 photo? ...
That might not have been what you really wanted but here was my discovery in apps: HG Hoo-ha and Foo It's called Photo Collage.

Now, why don't I ever use it? I guess, I think it's too much work and I'm lazy ...

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I use my smartphone to take my pics. It takes much better close-ups than my Sony Cybershot. However, my camera does better at distance shots.

@Applestar you said you use your ipad to collect the pollen because of the screen... that means the pollen particles will stick to it like static? I'm kinda stupid when it comes to electronics and technology. I was raised in the woods. :|

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Normally I should be using much larger surface for corn — paper bag, manila folder, sheet of paper, etc. But I always have my iPhone (it’s the + size) with me, so it’s convenient for just a little pollen here and there. And the screen surface is ANTI-static and the pollen WON’T stick.

You don’t want to use plastic, etc. that creates static and hold onto the pollen for corn since you need to pour the pollen onto/into the silk.

...I use the iPhone screen for collecting tomato pollen, too, sometimes, but tomato pollen can be collected in a plastic spoon. A sunglasses lens popped out of the frame is sometimes recommended in "how to" instructions.

With tomato pollination, since you need to make a small pile of pollen to dip into, I have also found it convenient to use defunct iPod and iPhone screen to collect the pollen, and the edge of an exact-o knife to scrape the pollen together into little pile, because let’s face it, it DOES work.... but always felt a bit “odd” about the similarity to a different kind of activity.... :roll:
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Later in the PM yesterday, looking out from the Family Room window, I saw 4 minnows and a goldfish huddled in deepest shaded part of the Paddy — DD1 agreed to brave the 91°F in the shade, and go rescue them.

She found more — 2 dead/nearly ...one with scratches, another in the shallows gasping — but retrieved 5 swimming fish and transferred them to the wire shelf-protected large tub on the picnic bench under the mulberry tree, and added some more oxygenated bubble column water from the pond to the tub so they should be comfortable. She said they didn’t put up much of a fight.

That was brave of her because she doesn’t like the black and yellow mud dauber wasps that mine the mud from the paddy edge:
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...sometimes there are 1/2 dozen or more wasps swarming those holes where they have somehow agreed very best mud can be gathered from...
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TomatoNut95 wrote:I use my smartphone to take my pics. It takes much better close-ups than my Sony Cybershot. However, my camera does better at distance shots.

@Applestar you said you use your ipad to collect the pollen because of the screen... that means the pollen particles will stick to it like static? I'm kinda stupid when it comes to electronics and technology. I was raised in the woods. :|
My phone takes good photos too but they are stupid shaped 2 times longer than wide. Ebay & CL will not allow those goofy shape photos they are hard to view. Buyers need to see good photos. I have several things on CL and Market Place for sale, sofa, chair, loveseat, 4 bicycles, bicycle trailer, Camper trailer stove, truck bed liner, new in box 1970s desk top paper tape calculator, new in box paper shredder, 1000 stainless bolts, 1000 #8 screws, TV antenna amplifier, lots of things that need to be gone, we don't use them anymore.

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applestar wrote:Later in the PM yesterday, looking out from the Family Room window, I saw 4 minnows and a goldfish huddled in deepest shaded part of the Paddy — DD1 agreed to brave the 91°F in the shade, and go rescue them.

She found more — 2 dead/nearly ...one with scratches, another in the shallows gasping — but retrieved 5 swimming fish and transferred them to the wire shelf-protected large tub on the picnic bench under the mulberry tree, and added some more oxygenated bubble column water from the pond to the tub so they should be comfortable. She said they didn’t put up much of a fight.

That was brave of her because she doesn’t like the black and yellow mud dauber wasps that mine the mud from the paddy edge:
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...sometimes there are 1/2 dozen or more wasps swarming those holes where they have somehow agreed very best mud can be gathered from...
Mud daubers aren't agrresive, so need to fear them. It is the red wasp that fear and hate with a passion.

That's awesome how you can have a rice paddy! I like to joke to family that I should try to grow rice during the rainy season because my yard will form a little river and puddles here and there. My yard slopes and is unlevel. Therefore water rushes across it from the pasture uphill.

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applestar wrote:Normally I should be using much larger surface for corn — paper bag, manila folder, sheet of paper, etc. But I always have my iPhone (it’s the + size) with me, so it’s convenient for just a little pollen here and there. And the screen surface is ANTI-static and the pollen WON’T stick.

You don’t want to use plastic, etc. that creates static and hold onto the pollen for corn since you need to pour the pollen onto/into the silk.

...I use the iPhone screen for collecting tomato pollen, too, sometimes, but tomato pollen can be collected in a plastic spoon. A sunglasses lens popped out of the frame is sometimes recommended in "how to" instructions.

With tomato pollination, since you need to make a small pile of pollen to dip into, I have also found it convenient to use defunct iPod and iPhone screen to collect the pollen, and the edge of an exact-o knife to scrape the pollen together into little pile, because let’s face it, it DOES work.... but always felt a bit “odd” about the similarity to a different kind of activity.... :roll:
The trouble is, I don't know exactly when to collect the pollen from the blossom. Right before the blossom opens? The first day it opens? And how many blossoms of the pollen doner should I collect from? I've decided I'll try to breed a Yellow Brandywine with my Black Beauty.

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@TomatoNut — I probably described the process in more detail than you wanted in this thread
:arrow: Subject: Learning • Practicing to Cross Breed Tomato Varieties :wink:


...As mentioned elsewhere, I’ve been sick in bed for the past 3 days. All week long, 80°F - 90+°F day’s with air quality warnings didn’t help. But I did go out 3 days ago, very early in the morning and watered my container plants and new carrot seedlings and raised beds. Yesterday, no way, but it did rain just a teeny bit to tide them over, and today, we had overcast day, a passing shower, and now it’s raining buckets with thunder and lightning, so the garden will survive.

BUT!!! I detected musky scent yesterday when I opened the windows after it cooled down from the teeny rain in the dusk, and sure ‘nuf, this morning I could see (from the window with my birdwatching binocs) that some of the corn (Luther Hill White) are down on the ground and few leaning ones, too.

No, too dizzy with fever to actually go outside and see, but ugh and double UGH!!! Image


~~~ Not to worry though, I’m feeling very hungry today, so I AM getting better. :()
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Oh, no! So sorry to hear you've been sick!! :cry: Hope you feel better soon! Thanks for the thread link! I hope to be as smart as you on tomato breeding someday! :-()

Sorry about your corn. Some people around here have had trouble with their corn as well. Peaches to. Stinking weather. :x

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Tassels on this Applestar’s #sweet# Medley shriveled kernel selection are VERY PRETTY :D
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...although this plant is currently intact, I’m not pinning hopes on being able to collect seeds from this year’s corn due to the on-going raccoon predation...
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Can you get your hands on some ammonia? That stuff was supposed to keep raccoons away. Or get yourself some pepper spray. Crush a very hot pepper and mix with a little water in a mister bottle. Spritz around places where the pests sniff or lick. One taste of that would send them packing I would think.

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Pepper spray is a good idea — I have some past eating life dried hot peppers that would be perfect for this.


...I went out this morning to water and took some pics:

- cucurbits were starting to bloom... female blossoms on cucumbers and I think a summer squash/zucchini (one of the C.pepo squash):
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(thats a dry leaf)

- Some of the various greenie tomatoes in the Vegetable Garden beds
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... continuing to ruthlessly prune suckers and lower leaves with any sign of spots (both septoria and early blight present)

- Onion bottoms that were growing in the Garage V8 2018-19 Winter Garden and transplanted out in spring — the bigger pair on the left had been a large Spanish onion that had twin green core. I think the cluster had been separate onion bottoms in a 4 inch pot (or planted close together in a large pot and deemed too difficult to separate).
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Love that garden! :D I only have two runt onions left! The others rotted. :cry: I doubt these two that left will grow much at all. My garden stinks. :x However, my beefsteak plant was so huge I totally whacked it with the shears! And there is still plenty of plant left. :shock: I kept a sucker for rooting, and it has already rooted in the vase.

Whew-we! WHHHYYYYY are bags of Miracle Gro Performance Organic bags SSOOOOO HEAVY??!! They're 1.3 cubit foot bags. I don't think the regular soil is that heavy! I almost wrenched my leg trying to pull/lift one of those things into the storage building. I need to marry a muscle-bound chiropractor. :()

My step-dad got me a kiddie swimming pool- I'm gonna use it for a garden. I found some short carrot seeds: 'Short and Sweet' the roots only get 4'' long. All set for carrot growing this fall!! :-()

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VARIEGATED TOMATO FOLIAGE OBSERVATIONS —

In my experience, there is a tendency in the gardener to want to give the variegated plant the VIP spot in the garden — best sun (less green = must need more light), better spacing for more airflow, best view from the house and paths — but I think there is a definite tendency in Faelan’s First Snow (FFS) to lose the ability to grow new variegated leaves when weather turns scorching hot. My undocumented general impression is that plants that get too hot turns greener faster. I think the ones that get some relief from the hot sun responds by growing more variegated accents.

I’ve wondered if this is because the pale areas with no pigments suffer more from lack of sunlight resistance.

My crosses that have developed more intense variegation than my selections of FFS also lose ability to grow the intensely variegated features, and I feel like the ones that are more closely planted or that get shaded are continuing a better show ... but they can then become more prone to fungal diseases. It’s a delicate balance....

I’m watching closely to see if the segregates that are showing purple/pink in the variegated stems and leaf veins are expressing antho, and are capable of sustaining the sun exposure / heat and continuing to grow variegated new foliage.

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I was going to wait to post these until I had a chance to take some more pics of the others, but it doesn’t look like I will be able to get out in the garden tomorrow either, so.... Here are some more progress photos of the variegated tomatoes since the summer heat arrived (mid-high 80’s and 90’s high... tonight will extend the heatwave ... lowest 74°F, back up to 80 by 3am and steadily rising to heat index of 99 from 2-3pm) —


One of the Shimofuri F6 — in HaybaleRow bed which doesn’t get morning sun until about 8 or 9am, and is in the house shadow by 5pm. Sun to this short plant is starting to be blocked by the taller corn in the morning until the sun is higher in the sky as well. Showing reduced variegation but still good striping in the stems but top-most leaves (where the sunlight reaches & get hot) look almost solid green —
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This is one of the unID’d volunteers in VGA bed. It’s the shortest, surrounded closely and over-topped by other volunteers that have outpaced it, but I’ve been making a point of culling and pruning Other leaves growing in its direction. This bed is nearly full sun but is shaded by the house at sunrise for maybe 2 hours and is in shade about 2 hours before sunset. (This time of the year, sun exposure from 7:30am to 6:30pm).

Highly variegated, but the newest/top-most leaves are somewhat sparsely variegated in comparison —
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- It appears to be terminating in determinate growth.


This one shows the best example. It is planted just on the other side of the fence and was given the room to grow suckers. There are 3 main stems. This is a bad angle but here is a photo with the significant leaves circled and magnified.
- Red circles - full sun-hot
- Yellow circle - part sun-warm
- Blue circles - part shade-cooler
- White circle - lower on plant, representative spring variegation
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Here is the same photo without the distorting magnified circles
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Wow! Beautiful! I can't wait to see how my 'Splash of Cream' does! I gave all my tomato seedlings a light dose of organic fertilize the other day because I noticed one of the seed leaves on my Silver Fir Tree was turning yellow.

I picked two Black Cherries today; one didn't make it into the house. They all got split after that last rain. Two tomatoes that I have not noticed doing splits is that new Bradley, and my Ketchup tomato.

I'm very disappointed in my Oxheart. It's not producing at all!!! My other tomatoes are finally trying to come on.(runts of course) Parks Whopper plants are puny. Nasty hybrid. My garden stinks.

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Time to say good bye to some of those lovely early variegation — :( :cry:

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One of my variegated crosses — Shimofuri F6 — is productive with pretty exuberant floral/fruit trusses — I think this might be from the Whippersnapper parentage? This is the segregate I am carrying forward this year for the tendency to drape and sprawl like Whippersnapper. I’m hoping for growth traits that would make this line suitable for hanging basket cultivation.

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- the plant on the left in HBR will be tied up to stake(s) (or I might put a cage over it) and allowed to grow suckers with only some directional restrictions since it is probably determinate or semi-determinate
- the plant on the right is one of a pair that are growing in the VG.SIP and will be allowed to sucker freely and sprawl and drape, but will have plenty of root space this year to see how big they will get.
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Not counting the early experiment Pinocchio Orange microdwarf, the very first ripe tomatoes in the main 2019 Garden were these Champagne Cherry, Coyote, and the small cherry multiflora(?) volunteer in the VGA bed:

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Looks like the regular size cherry volunteer and the Yellow Dwarf x Sungold F3 will be next :-()

...Totem F1 and Cow’s Tit are growing well too, as well as others :D
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Re: Applestar’s 2019 Garden

Wow! All those varieties you created yourself is amazing!

I was wondering if I crossed my Black Beauty with my Tiny Tim or Micro Tom, I might get a dwarf Black Beauty. I remember you telling me that the dwarf gene is recessive, so I'd want to cross with the shortest dwarf I own, right? My Micro Tom is the shortest at six inches. I might cross my new Splash of Cream with my Micro Tom someday to see if I get a variegated dwarf.

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Which one tastes better — or how do the flavors compare — Tiny Tim vs. Micro Tom?


BTW...just to be clear, Shimofuri is the only one that’s mine. I have other crosses I’m working on, but they had a late start and are not at fruiting stage yet, and I’m not sure if they will have the chance this year. So I haven’t mentioned them much. Image
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I haven't actually tasted the Micro Tom yet, the itty bitty fruits are still green. Tiny Tim is pretty good- cherry sized fruits are of average red tomato taste.

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Re: Applestar’s 2019 Garden

Thanks! Since your tomatoes are already coming in (you are harvesting them), why don’t you post about the varieties you are growing in —

This thread
:arrow: Subject: FOCUS on 2019 Tomatoes (peppers and eggplants)

Or this thread
:arrow: Subject: Tomato Tasting -- compare and share
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Re: Applestar’s 2019 Garden

Random photos of developing green and just starting to blush tomatoes. My tomato garden is turning out to be just the way I like’em — all shapes, sizes, and colors. :D

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...trying to guess the piriform (pear/pouch-shaped larger fruit) — the varieties I have grown in the past that I can remember are Ernie’s Plump, Charlie Chaplin, and Gezahnte.


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...Charlie Chaplin I grew before looked like this:
Subject: Applestar's 2016 Tomatoes (& peppers & eggplants)
applestar wrote:ImageI had almost given up on him, but it turns out my Charlie Chaplin is ALIVE! :-()
...and Ernie’s Plump
Subject: Applestar's 2017 Tomatoes (and peppers and eggplants)
applestar wrote:I think I'm seeing color-break in Ernie's Plump

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I forgot that I compiled these before. And I have to remember that Charlie Chaplin is smaller — I think most of the others get pretty big. Also, I haven’t grown these particular deeply lobed/fluted varieties recently or at all (Costoluto Genovese, ages ago in mid-90’s or so) ...so, for now, I’m tending to think those volunteers are Ernie’s Plump.


Subject: Lindsaylew's 2016 Garden
applestar wrote:Wow so big! So definitely not Charlie Chaplin which is smaller.
-- looks like a red to me right now, but be sure to do the epi/skin test. If the gel is green then this would be a "Black"

Are you saying a double is a rare occurrence? I can't remember now.

Is it like these?

Costoluto Genovese
https://www.rareseeds.com/costoluto-genovese-tomato/

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Zapotec Pleated Tomato
https://www.seedsofchange.com/quickfacts ... FirstImage

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...not as ruffled as these?

Coeur De Boeuf - Tatiana's TOMATOBase
https://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Coeur_De_Boeuf

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... here's a pink variety (pink = clear epi)
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pink wrinkle tomato Pitanga
https://tomaten-bohnen-pfirsich.blogspot ... tanga.html


...and just for fun, here's a yellow variety

Florentine Beauty
https://heritageseedmarket.com/index.php ... ne-beauty/

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Hm... Zapotec image link is broken... here’s another:

Subject: Weird Tomato
rainbowgardener wrote:Yup, it's the variety: Zapotek pleated tomatoes:

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They make very odd looking slices:
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They are reputed to be "prolific" and "heavy bearers" so yours must not be liking its conditions. They don't grow well in containers and need full sun.
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Re: Applestar’s 2019 Garden

Latest view of VG.SIP. There are 5 variegated plants
— 3 in the back are transplanted volunteers — I’m observing them for recognizable traits.
— 2 in the front are my Shimofuri F6 grown from saved seeds. This particular segregate was chosen for their tendency to have weak pliable vines that sprawl, and their exuberant determinate growth habit, which I thought may make them suitable for hanging basket, window box, and raised planter (patio, balcony, and veranda) culture.

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... the plant on the right is definitely showing the growth pattern I noticed in it’s predecessor — once blooming and fruiting begins, it grows a sucker with a leaf (with a sucker node) + a floral/fruit cluster that terminates. The sucker grows a leaf (with a sucker node) and a leaf + a floral/fruit cluster ...and this goes on and on spawning suckers. The floral cluster on this plant is also compound. Whippersnapper had twin floral/fruit trusses (I remember up to 8-10 fruits) and I think this plant is doing the same — I think I’m seeing 6-7 cluster twins = 12-14 per.

...I think the one on the left is doing the same, but I’m having trouble differentiating the anatomy as clearly.

... I’m pretty sure I’m seeing indeterminate growth patterns on the volunteers — each vine/sucker is growing a floral truss opposite a leaf at every other leaf or every two leaves, with continuing, non-terminating growth. I will have to start limiting some of the sucker vines soon.
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Re: Applestar’s 2019 Garden

I planted “mixed” C.pepo seedlings in VGD.PSRB (Vegetable Garden D . Pallet Sided Raised Bed)

One of them started to vine and then RUN! Today, I noticed it had grown along the top of the fence nearly past the Enterprise apple tree to the next post (That’s a 10 ft fence panel from post-to-post), then decided to hop over to an overhanging branch, preparing to CLIMB the apple tree :shock:

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... based on the speckled embryo, I’m hoping it might be the Godiva naked seed squash....
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