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Re: Applestar’s 2019 Garden

applestar wrote:My SIL gave me a 1.5” cube box:
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I recognized “seedbomb” so knew what to expect to find inside, but it was still kind of fun to see a single dry ball of clay, about the size of a large marble of average/small gumball.

I have so far gathered that it is a seedbomb of wildflowers... probably European native. I’m going to set aside a small flowerbed for it and lay the seedbomb in the center — maybe casually toss it in for full effect. :()

...I hope to identify the flowers as they grow...
I planted the seedbomb :-() ...I had to re-think my plans and gave it a small space within the rabbit-fenced veg garden since I keep seeing rabbits in the back yard inside the perimeter picket fence/gate.

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I’m still coddling these stunted or late started peppers and tomatoes in the Garage V8 Nursery... just Uppotted some of them to the larger containers so they can go outside in a day or two.

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FWIW — something nearly killed them and they were like sticks and stumps, but, in desperation, I gave them a feeding of plain gelatin dissolved in warm water (supposed to be extremely high nitrogen) and vermicompost tea. They managed to turn around.

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Got the watermelon and melon seeds sown. I finally accepted that soil temperature maybe inadequate here for good melon production and decided to try a black mulch. Don’t know if common landscape mulch is good enough, but wasn’t ready to buy a roll of IR mulch when a roll of this was taking up space in the back of the shed since I vetoed its use for anything.

The mounded row was prepped by hoeing down the weeds and letting everything die down, then forked in some organic fertilizer (tree-tone and tomato-tone), Dolomitic lime, and a sprinkling of borax, then raked smooth.

Covered with the landscape mulch, then cut holes and half buried bottomless (cut off) 1 gallon plastic nursery pots, then hand forked more tree-tone, topped the pots with vermicast and organic potting mix, watered in, then sowed seeds - around 5 @ for later culling/selection of best. — the bottomless pot for starting seeds worked well for squash several years ago

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- the plan is to manage the vines to direct the watermelons along the outer perimeter, while allowing the melon vines to move into the interior across the path (manage so I can still walk) as well as allow them to climb the trellis if they are so inclined — fruits will be supported with slings.

...by sheer accident, the inner swale/path, where the compost bin that is occupying the center of the Spiral Garden leaches out to, has a secret drainage (probably previous chipmunk/mole/field mice tunnel) to the outer swale/path immediately in front of the melon arc. See the water-filled boot print where there was extra water from yesterday’s rain?


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Left (north) to Right (South) :
- Espalier Fence Row
- HaybaleRow
- Sunflower House
- Spiral Garden

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STEVIA — This happens every year - I should be used to it by now....

In my area Stevia plant is not winter hardy, but it’s a plant that is generally listed as hardy to Zone 9 or winter low temperature of 20°F (winter low can get down to negative single digits here in Zone 6b).

I mentioned something about that elsewhere recently —

Subject: Frost And Sprouting Stevia Seeds?
applestar wrote:According to my “seasonal container plants lowest temperature notes”, Stevia is roughly hardy to usda zone 9 (20) ~ 11 (40). Number in parenthesis is minimum winter temperature in °F. That means Stevia seeds would normally withstand winter frost and probably require certain amount of cold period (stratification) for optimum germination. In other words, the light frost shouldn’t be harmful and might even be beneficial.

Don’t expect the seeds to sprout until it gets warmer though, since the plant itself is frost-killed. Once mature, established roots/crown will survive the cold and new growth will start from soil-level in spring. My notes reminds me to bring in Stevia above 45°F (Don’t leave/put outside).

That said, Stevia is notoriously difficult to germinate, or so I’ve heard. My attempts to grow from my own saved fresh seeds have not been successful, and like most this type of seeds (seed with a puff/tuft of the end ... like lettuce seeds) they don’t remain viable for very long.

Also, FYI, I have heard that levels of sweetness and characteristic bitterness is variable, so it’s best to obtain cutting grown clone of known/best flavor plants. I didn’t do that but did buy my first plant from a reputable nursery, and have been growing backup cutting-grown plants ever since. There are also some that say sweetness depends on how you process the harvested plant material.

Good luck.

Although it is possible to over-winter Stevia in the house, it wants cooler than average indoor house temperature and needs to be situated carefully. In the warm dry heated indoor environment, they are prone to red or other spider mites.

I have read that it’s best to let the Stevia actually go dormant for longevity of the plant, similar to Lemon Verbena, along with Rosemary. All three of them have similar wintering requirements, although Stevia is a perennial and dies back to the ground, Lemon Verbena is more like a deciduous shrub, and Rosemary is evergreen.

I keep my Stevia in my garage and put the pot in the “Garage Siberia” — closest to the outer door — once the leaves and stems start to dry up. Then it’s watered every so often, just enough so the potting mix doesn’t dry out completely. It will experience freezing temps down to mid 20’s and close to 20.

In the spring, it always, ALWAYS, takes a long time to start growing new shoots from the roots, below the potting mix. Previous year’s growths will be all dead sticks by this time and can/should be cut down as close to the soil level as possible BEFORE the new shoots grow too big.

This year, I brought the pot out in front of the garage doors in March after the spring thaw, then waited while all other winter survivors were moved out of the garage and onto the backyard to acclimate for the season.

The spring sun moved further and further west and north of west until the setting sun started to beat against the garage doors, but still nothing but weeds came up out of the pot and I had just about given up.

Then this Wednesday, after an outing, I looked in the pot with some disappointment, thinking to declare it dead and recover/recycle/compost the potting mix, and recognized 4 new Stevia shoots among the weeds.
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...Stevia pot, moved to the patio and all cleaned up. More new shoots were hiding/growing under the weeds. It still needs the potting mix freshened and fertilized.

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I stopped growing Stevia as I was not using it. I did get rosemary to overwinter a few years back, I placed a fluorescent light up against the stem, covered most of the bottom of the plant with leaves and covered in a lap blanket (something that breathes). I may try that again this winter.
How did you make out with the espalier tree.
I'm starting my espalier Pear tree in a few weeks or maybe this weekend if I have time.

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I have two pears, an apple, and a persimmon along that Espalier Fence Row (approx. 40 feet IIRC).
I lost one apple tree in the group (Pristine) that really snowy winter a couple of years back when something - likely voles, maybe chipmunks - got past the trunk guard and gnawed/girdled it. Have been looking for a replacement cultivar, but the remaining apple (Arkansas Black) has been managing to set fruits from some other pollinizer source. (This year, something is wrong and I only see a couple of fruits, however)

The Magness and Seckel pear trees have been difficult due to a number of issues and have only yielded 3-8 fruits or less each year.

I have been lax about maintaining the styling/pruning (mainly health issues during the critical late winter and mid summer timeframe) and they all really need serious re-styling… including the Prok persimmon which needs the runaway leader chopped off — Prok is laden with baby green fruits and I’m probably going to end up cutting off a loaded limb.

I’m adding two Beach Plums to the Espalier Fence Row and styling them into fan espalier.

I need to start getting the American Hazel on the other side under control. The other side — designated “Edible Landscaping Front Yard Fence Row” — is a broad long bed with series of native wild forage — wild lowbush blueberries, American hazel, wild strawberries, a pair of seedling (not grafted cultivar) pawpaws, and elderberry. It technically curves into an L at the end of the property, with a circular bed of Sunchokes that DH keeps within bounds by mowing around them.

…it’s possible that between the persimmon and elderberry pressure, the apple tree has been losing ground since it IS on a dwarfing stock and probably doesn’t have as much root vigor.

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Carrot thinnings are getting bigger ...and first gumball-sized baby Tonda di Parigi carrot :D

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ETA — DD2 said it has STRONG carrot flavor ...couldn’t tell if it was sweet because of the strong flavor ... but “It’s good... I guess it’s sweet” (comparing to Mokum and Yaya)
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Starting to see tiny green babies :mrgreen:
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SQWIB wrote:I stopped growing Stevia as I was not using it.
Overall, I find it easiest to use Stevia leaves by drying and adding to looseleaf herbal tea blends. It add’s just that touch of sweetness that is pleasant on first sip.

Since I read that the stems contain as much or even more sweetening substance, I put the dried sprigs in larger ziplock bag, then pull the stalks out, leaving the crumbled leaves in the bag... then pack the stalks in a jar and fill with vodka or rum to make tincture. I wash and re-use brown glass tincture bottles with droppers, and use the tincture in coffee — one squirt — usually in combination with honey. I recently also made home-made toasted hazelnut extract/tincture that I mixed with the Stevia tincture for making hazelnut flavored coffee. (I have also made hazelnut flavored coffee in the past by toasting/roasting and grinding with coffee beans....)

I also read somewhere (can’t find the notes atm) that Stevia stalks can/should be fermented ...kind of like black tea leaves... which crystallize the sweetening substance, concentrating it while removing the slightly bitter aftertaste, but have not tried that yet.

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You may think that I have great experience with Stevia :wink: . I Don't.

My experience with using green is that it tastes " green. " Dry, it tastes sweet with very little additional flavor.

Rum flavor, highly sweetened with Stevia in my afternoon coffee ... what a concept!

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It’s a 1 ml eye dropper-full @digitS’ — approx. 20 drops. :lol:

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Until I get the blackberry canes sorted out, I can’t get any closer, but I saw — through the jumbled blackberries and already massive Purple Passion asparagus fronds —that my yellow Asiatic lilies had started blooming ...in HUGE FLORAL CLUSTERS!

These had been planted in a mixed color group of I believe 5 or 6 bulbs, but they rapidly shrunk and disappeared over several years ...and I realized when they started re-appearing as tiny non-blooming plants that something was eating the bulbs and scattering the bulb scales. Only the yellow eventually came back — two feet from where they were originally planted — but this is the biggest floral clusters I have seen yet.

COINCIDENTALLY, I have NOT seen a single chipmunk this season (maybe the snake, maybe the stray cats that my neighbor feeds)

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- The bottom photo is the native American Turk’s Cap Lily (Lilium Superbum) — so dainty and beautiful

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Last year, I didn’t get to plant the started rice seedlings in my little raingarden rice paddy — it sat ... let’s say “fallow”..... Last year, I also started a whole bunch of speciality/novelty corn in large drinking cups for selling at a market stand... they didn’t sell... and I ended up letting them get overgrown, stunted, and eventually dead.


...This spring, I didn’t get to plant rice again, didn’t even start them this time, and I had some overgrown extra/leftover/back up corn starts. Not to make the same disappointing mistake again, I went ahead and PLANTED THE EXTRA CORN IN THE RICE PADDY. :>


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- I was able to plant all of my Applestar’s #SWEET# Medley 2019, and also squeezed in Latte Bicolor. Luther didn’t fit. :roll:


My reasoning for planting corn here is that corn seems to be often grown in flood-prone regions and they seem to be able to recover from flooding. The spacing is tight, but they will likely not have to want for water. I’ll see if keeping them fed with extra nutes will be enough. At least they are in a densely planted square so pollination shouldn’t be a problem.

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2019 Main garden areas — update as of 6/13/19

- VG beds (A, B, B.PSRB, C, D.PSRB, SIP)
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- Raingarden CORN (after 1.5” of rain this morning...added some Iron-tone, Epsom Salts (magnesium and sulfur) ...a little bit of Mira-acid because I needed to fertilize the blueberries with something and that’s all I had — it does have a lot of micronutrients in it)

- Eggplants in VGB have settled in
- Hari g2 (2), Orient Express g2 (2), Hari g2 (2)
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- HaybaleRow and a partial view of SunflowerHouse
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- potatoes have come up (Planted sprouted store bought organic pink skin white flesh wax potatoes, yellow potatoes, and fingering potatoes from the pantry)

- melons sprouted in SpiralGarden
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- weeded the carrots and fertilized in the KitchenGarden (Tonda di Parigi in the area to the right ...can’t remember if I also Sowed TdP in the left area or if I Sowed a different kind... maybe Danvers Halflong126?)
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...as you can see, I just pile all the pulled weeds in the path and trample them down.

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Container Garden in addition to the VG.SIP

- Kitchen Garden Patio (KGP) ...starting to cull non-productive or pest-ridden plants and replacing with summer season producers

- Planted Yellow Giant Bell pepper; Monomakh’s Hat, Terhune, and Wessel’s Purple Pride tomatoes in the SIP1 and Fish (SuperVar) pepper in the Earthbox, along with some Lettuce-leaf and Petra basils
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- Planted Bassett’s Bleen and Champagne Cherry tomatoes in the SIP2
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- also Planted Pasilla Basio, Doux Long d’Antibes, and Pale Rider peppers in a big black nursery pot, and a DK Snacker pepper in a white square 2.5 gal

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Notable tomatoes

- volunteers ...look at the intense antho stems on the one of the left ...and the cute egg-shaped fruits with antho on the calyces on the one on right
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- can never get enough of the variegated ones... they are starting to bloom
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... and notice the multiflora volunteer in the bottom-right

- Prudens Black is being very enthusiastic with the first floral truss
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- a surviving plant from 2015 seeds of Yellow Dwarf x Sungold F3 (which never grew well for me before when I tried to grow them last couple of times I tried) is looking really healthy!
- anticipated Totem F1 (new to me ...gift seeds from SIL) and Dwarf Chocolate Lightning (a family fave)
...funny how the Dwarf Chocolate Lightning DOESN’T look like a dwarf next to these two...

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Subject: Applestar’s 2019 Garden
Thu Jun 06, 2019
applestar wrote:I’m still coddling these stunted or late started peppers and tomatoes in the Garage V8 Nursery... just Uppotted some of them to the larger containers so they can go outside in a day or two.

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FWIW — something nearly killed them and they were like sticks and stumps, but, in desperation, I gave them a feeding of plain gelatin dissolved in warm water (supposed to be extremely high nitrogen) and vermicompost tea. They managed to turn around.
Some of my other intentionally started tomato seedlings (my own crosses and others) may still be salvageable as well... I had nearly given up on these and had put them outside to “live or die” on the picnic table under the mulberry tree. They might have received a similar treatment — massive dose of nitrogen and other nutrients when the mulberries ripened and the birds went on a feeding frenzy in the branches above.

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Today was a gorgeous day in low-mid 70’s, and although storm systems must have passed near by a couple of times, resulting in threatening skies, our anti-rain, storm system repelling aura was apparently functioning again and it never did rain here.

I went outside with grand ideas about prepping a new bed for some of those tomato seedlings, or digging/contouring the waterfall for the pond project, gathering up the kitty litter buckets to see how many of them I could turn into SIP’s... but all of them seemed like complicated big projects and my attention was scattered and wouldn’t settle down... so I settled on trying to finish cleaning up the Kitchen Garden.

I weeded and pruned the lavender and oregano, removed the finished pea vines, and planted
- a couple of {Prue - TZ -OH6 2010? Wispy juicy sausage/elongated heart} ...and...
- a special chartreuse-foliage Cherokee Tiger cross variety I was allowed to try growing (CTBS,RL Dwf., F3 (deck-8/10/18) — (Cherokee Tiger x {Black Seaman x Pink Berkeley Tie Dye} F3)

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...looks pretty chartreuse (bright yellow-green) so far, though apparently the leaves get somewhat darker, though still lighter/yellower than usual tomato leaf green...
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I also culled, uppotted, and planted some of the peppers and micro-dwarf and patio tomatoes as well as some critically stunted/stressed seedlings

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- Earl’s Faux
- {Prue - TZ -OH6 2010? Wispy juicy sausage/elongated heart}
- Orange Pinocchio
- Orange Hat
- Totem F1
- another micro-dwarf — variety name escapes me atm
- Aji Dulce Amarillo
- DK Snacker
- Anna’s Multiflora

...During this process, I was reminded yet again how valuable earthworms are — when a seedlings appeared healthier and stronger among the other stressed fellow siblings, there was always a biggish earthworm coiled up in its roots.

Image BTW — Prue grew from 2010 seeds! Received in 2011 from TZ -OH6 who sent them tightly folded inside a tiny piece of aluminum foil
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...what’s left...

- seed-started tomatoes and peppers
— on the glass table (need to be planted)
— in the V8 Nursery (need to be hardened off and planted)

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- DK Snacker, Snowball, Coyote Rosa Bébé, Manö, Fish (SuperVar), Bloody Butcher
- Yellow Giant Bell, Cherokee Lime
- Doneky Ears, Giant Sweet Devil’s Horn, Domalik Biber
- Applemint cutting

- Aji Dulce Amarillo, DK Snacker, White Wonder (striped), Pinocchio Orange
- Coyote Rosa Bébé, Fish (Goldfish), Aztek, Cherokee Lime
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- Snowball, Coyote Rosa Bébé, Manö
- CTBS,RL Dwf., F3 (deck-8/10/18)

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Is it too soon for an update?

Muggy season is coming — this morning, I sprayed with solution of 1Tbs @ Epsom salts and Potassium bicarbonate in 2 gal of water, then pruned lowest leaves and suckers (trying to limit to single stem this year due to high-density planting), added supports, and tied up all the tomatoes.
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- eggplants have settled in — they don’t mind the wet/soggy soil as much
- I’m back to using rings cut from old athletic socks. I wear high% cotton ones and they last one season then can be composted; DH’s higher% polyester/nylon ones were intact after weathering the winter still attached to stakes and wires, and had to be cut off.

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My corn are being weird this year — they have started to tassle and silk at 3-4 feet ...some are 2 feet. Stress-cold-wet-dry....

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Some of the tassles were shedding pollen, and there were 3 Luther Hill with silk starting to emerge, so I hand-pollinated — see the tiny dust-like pollen caught on on the silk?
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— for this level of pollen and silk, I just used my iPhone screen to catch the pollen. The anti-static surface lets the pollen slide right off — it’s great :D

There was one overachiever Latte Bi-color shedding pollen, too, but no silk. Unfortunately none of the Applestar’s #sweet# Medley was ready with silk either. In hindsight, I might have pollinated one of the Luther Hill’s silk. Oh well.

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Random green (some with antho) baby tomatoes on the volunteers in the VGA and VGC :-()

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Pretty sure top-left corner is one of my crosses, top-center is one of the variegated volunteers, and the center photo looks like a Sergeant Peppers. One is an intriguing piriform (pear shape) — I can think of a couple of ID possibilities — and there are now two possible multi-flora types. The bottom-right mega-bloom with slight antho shoulders is very likely Allonz-y,Dr.X but we shall see.

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Here’s are progress photos of the "Vegetable Garden" area — originally a 10 ft x 10 ft space set up with 2 ft wide and 4ft wide raised beds. Over the years, the original 2 ft wide beds were re-allocated as the sweet cherry espalier bed, and the Vegetable Garden was expanded to add more 4 ft wide beds, re-designated as VGC and VGD. Then, later, Pallet-sided Raised Beds were built, and a DIY Sub-irrigated Planter was added, along the fence bordering the neighbor.

April 5
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The original raised beds are pretty much falling apart now, but look, I found their debut post from 2008... not bad, actually (considering) — and the soil is rich with organic matter and soil foodweb after all these years :D

Subject: Vegetable Garden Design
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applestar wrote:I just finished planting MY new raised veg beds. Mine are strictly utilitarian but here they are:
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They are made with 8" metal raised bed corners from Gardener's Supply:
I used cedar 2x4's instead of 2x8's because they're cheaper, and also because they let me adjust for the sloped area without having to make angled cuts. So the lower beds (B), (C)-(D) are 2 2x4's high and the taller bed (A) is 4 2x4's high.
(A) 4'x4' (B) 4'x6' (C) 2'x6' (D) 2'x4'

I found out by accident that putting the 12" raised bed stakes: inside the corners creates a handy place to put cedar 1x1 stakes. I have the short vinyl coated wire fence secured to the stakes with tie wraps (google for an image if you don't know what that is). It's not in these photo's but I planted broccoli with the potatoes and carrots in (A), so I put up more fence around (A).

The veg garden is mostly for my kids' benefit so they're mostly planted with their favorites:
(A) carrots, potatoes, broccoli, soybean (edamame)
(B) sweet corn, pumpkin, scarlet runner bean, nasturtium, parsley, dill. Also Moonflower in a corner by the fence
(C) sweet corn, pickling cucumber, sunflowers, dill. Also Moonflower by the fence and clematis in the corner
(D) peas, tomato, basil, dill
I based the plant spacing on square foot gardening.

I really like the hooped netting. I just bought 2 more for another part of the garden (Sunflower House) It's also from Gardener's Supply:

My main concern is bunnies and neighbor's cats. I was protecting the corn with the Garden Quilt (heavier than floating row cover, only 60% light transmission) until they were big enough. So I've taken that off now. The groundhog may or may not venture all the way to this area.

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applestar wrote:Until I get the blackberry canes sorted out, I can’t get any closer, but I saw — through the jumbled blackberries and already massive Purple Passion asparagus fronds —that my yellow Asiatic lilies had started blooming ...in HUGE FLORAL CLUSTERS!

These had been planted in a mixed color group of I believe 5 or 6 bulbs, but they rapidly shrunk and disappeared over several years ...and I realized when they started re-appearing as tiny non-blooming plants that something was eating the bulbs and scattering the bulb scales. Only the yellow eventually came back — two feet from where they were originally planted — but this is the biggest floral clusters I have seen yet.

COINCIDENTALLY, I have NOT seen a single chipmunk this season (maybe the snake, maybe the stray cats that my neighbor feeds)

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- The bottom photo is the native American Turk’s Cap Lily (Lilium Superbum) — so dainty and beautiful
I think I’ve mentioned before how my garden is particularly sensitive to implied or perceived criticism/insult I post on-line, and responds by exerting outbursts of growths and superior performances —

...remember I said there used to be different colors of Asiatic Lilies, but only the yellow came back? :lol:

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...I think they are telling me to get in there and straighten out their bed! :>

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Another look at some of the best/most intensely variegated tomatoes. If you are not new to growing variegated varieties, you probably already know this, but it’s critical to frequently (at least once a week) take lots of photos of the earlier foliage that developed while temperatures were still coolish to moderate, since most of the time, the intensity of variegation fades to more green later in the season — whether due to heat or maybe need for more sun energy catching chlorophyll / green surfaces to support the fruit production. Plus as the fungal disease season sets in you’ll be forced to tearfully clip off the fungal infected, tattered, once beautiful leaves.... (Unless of course, you are preserving them for ornamental purposes and spraying them.)

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...top-center one with the lovely pink/purple in the stem and leaf veins looks Determinate, I think?

— I was wondering if you keep them well~over-fed, they might maintain variegation longer/better? Does anyone know? I should go fertilize them — maybe more Bio-tone....

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Oh, @Applestar; where did you get those awesome variegated tomato plants? I just got some from the Seed Savers Exchange because I fell madly in love with them! The newborn seedlings are already up! Cannot wait! I just love variegated stuff!
This spring when I was planting my tomato seeds to sell, I noticed my yellow pear tomato plants were variegated. Why, I don't know. Baker Creek told me it was a genetic mutation. These were seeds I had saved myself from a non-variegated plant. Weird, right?

By the way, AWESOME and BEAUTIFUL garden, @Applestar! :D

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Thanks for the kind words @TomatoNut95 :D


First variegated tomato I ever grew was Faelan’s First Snow — from the original seeds saved by gardener called Lochlainn who first reported finding a variegated seedling among a flat of Cherokee Purple seedlings, grew it out, saved seeds and grew them to discover that the 2nd year seedlings also developed variegated plants. He offered seeds from that year’s fruits. I’m thinking that was around 2013, but would have to check my notes.

I have saved seeds from the Faelan’s First Snow I grew, but others have launched intensive grow out to select for best variegation, and I am currently growing from seeds from one of the best variegated plants received from another gardener.

Also, when I was bitten by the tomato cross-breeding bug, I tried crossing a hanging basket type determinate cherry tomato with mixture of pollen including a Faelan’s First Snow due to limited flowers available. This was with one of my own saved, LESSER variegated specimen. There were 2 other attempts, but only one cross resulted in variegation in the F3 (variegation is recessive) and from that segregate, I have selected Shimofuri F6 line which I am growing this year.

Other, more serious hobby and amateur/semi-pro breeders have been already developing crosses with a previously known variety called Variegated PL (potato leaf), and I have had the opportunities to grow some of the segregates in progress — those were almost all selected for potato leaf foliage.

Most of the significantly variegated plants you see in the collages above are unknown mystery plants — volunteers that grew ...most likely unkilled/surviving seeds... from spoiled fruits that had been put in my compost pile. I only grew my own segregates last year — Shimofuri and Jack Frost’s Early Love — and received seeds from the extremely variegated Faelan’s First Snow. So assuming these surviving seeds-volunteers are from LAST YEAR’S compost I should be able to limit to those three based on their characteristics as they grow. For example, Shimofuri and Jack Frost’s Early Love are determinate and semi-determinate, while Faelan’s First Snow is an indeterminate.

I can safely say, however, that if any of these develop Striped fruits (or are PotatoLeaf), then they are very likely not any of those three, and might possibly have grown from seeds of other cross-breeding projects that somehow survived several years in the compost pile, and I can name the ones I have grown in the past, so it may be possible to further pursue possible ID candidates based on traits and characteristics.

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I never knew there was such thing as a variegated tomato plant- then my Yellow Pear tomatoes showed slight variegation. I send pictures and asked Baker Creek about it. At first they said it was a disease, but later after further examining the photos, he said genetic mutation. Since I don't have the room to play with experiments like that, I sent the seeds the seeds to Baker. They have all the room in the world....because they have good dirt. :cry:

Later this year, I was at work and in a bad mood so I got on the Seed Savers Exchange website and searched through the tomatoes. When I saw the variegated tomato, my eyes practically popped out my head! I HAD to have it, no matter what! So now I own it! Wheee! :-() The babies are coming up, and I'm so excited! It, and the Red Velvet and Silvery Fir Tree tomato I bought with it. I also got some blossom bags for when I start crossbreeding someday! I don't know what breed this variegated is, it's just called 'Variegated tomato'. I'm also visioning people going crazy over it when I hope to sell the plants next year! People around here like those stupid hybrids- Big Boy and that nasty Celebrity. However, this year I had a sell-out on tomato plants! Even my Blue Beauty. One of my family members has thrown out little remarks to people that I grow 'weird black tomatoes'. But no one has ever come back to me with a complaint-not even on my Blue Beauty. I never push a variety on someone they don't want. I explain the variety to them, and it's up them if they want to purchase it or not. Some people are picky and can turn their nose up; some take interest and are willing to try something new. This year it was like they didn't care. They just wanted tomatoes. :>

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I believe “Variegated” is the name — some say that one is the same variety as variety introduced as “Splash of Cream” which sounds more whimsical/catchy.

“Variegated PL” indicates the plant they used in the cross had potato-leaf foliage — but I can’t remember if the variety is normally PL or someone found an off-type PL and pursued the segregate.

Potato-leaf is a recessive trait that is a useful marker/indicator for making sure that the cross “took”.

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For comparison, these were some of the most notable expressions of Shimofuri F5 variegation last year:

Subject: Learning • Practicing to Cross Breed Tomato Varieties
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applestar wrote:This is Shimofuri#1-2 F5 — I’m in love! Image

A close-up —
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Variegated/striped calyces, too —
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Gorgeous colors!
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(Bottom-right — Shimofuri#1-1 F5 is also showing some of the wild colors.)

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'Splash of Cream'! I saw that name when I Googled for extra photos of the variegated plant. So yeah I might just call it Splash of Cream. It does sound fancier. So what about the fruits? I don't think they're bi-colored are they? Aren't they just small and red?

Boy, I gotta tell you. This has been the saddest birthday I've ever had. (Before my birthday got here I've been telling my mom I didn't want anything special done; because I like to be left alone on my birthday to do what I want, but my mother doesn't do what I tell her and wanted me there for cake and gifts at my grandmother's.)This morning at church I heard that our beloved piano player passed away. She was a very well loved and huggable person and liked her coleus I'd give her. I miss her something terrible. Cried all the way home. Told my mother that I was in NO party mood; too sorrowful to celebrate and wanted to postpone it; so we did. We're supposed to get a bad storm tonight(what else is new???) but it kinda suits my mood anyway.

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Condolences for your loss... understandable to be saddened and not feel celebratory mood, but I’m glad that it’s your birthday.

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Thank-you. Maybe I can have a happier birthday later.....if I survive this next storm that is. Why they always seem to come in the night, I don't know. I'd better make sure everything's tied down.

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Last of the pea vines were harvested and removed from VGC and from the KG, and the tomato cages used for peas were re-allocated to eggplants in VGB and compact-determinate tomatoes in the Kitchen Garden and Patio containers.

Cucumbers that were sowed in VGC next to Emerald Archer peas are starting to wave tendrils around (another reason for removing those tomato cages) — I have to build them a vertical trellis — bamboo pole frame and strings or flat wire panel.

Tomatoes are growing in leaps and bounds, needing constant sucker removal and tying up.

10-day forecast of high 80’s ~ mid 90’s — summer is definitely here.

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Done! — 5 bamboo poles, three 1/2” tees and one 1” pvc tee plus 1/2” and 3/4” pvc stabilizing extenders.

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Wow. That's gorgeous!! :-() You should put pictures of your garden in Better Homes and Gardens! :wink: That's beautiful. I envy people who can grow better stuff than me....and doesn't have concrete clay. :cry:

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By the way, @Applestar, I saved some seeds out of my 'mystery tomato'. I wasn't too pleased with the way the variety did,(plant split, fruit split and a couple of fruits had blossom end rot) but OH...WOOOWWWW was that fruit good!!! I mean it just burst with strong flavor! It was great! :-() I'm hoping whatever this is isn't a hybrid and the seeds come true to type. However I'm wondering if this type just isn't suited for this area. @Applestar, if you would like some of these seeds to see how it does for you I'm happy to share! :)

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Thanks for the offer @TomatoNut, but I’m going to decline. I don’t know if you noticed, but I keep getting myself in way over my head, spreading too thin, and all that. nutz:

So I’m actually trying NOT to plant so many (yeah and failing) — I have way too many different varieties as it is — never counted but probably over 300... maybe more. -helpsos-

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This morning, rocks I had tentatively arranged along the pond edge had been disturbed, some has been pushed into the pond, lilypads were turned over, shredded, arrowleaf stems snapped, and when I went outside, I realized pale colored things floating everywhere were lily flower petals and there were two flowers that had bloomed yesterday and closed for the night, that had been decimated, and a new white flowerbud had been snapped off.

I knew from past experience that these were likely signs of raccoon mischief ...and sure enough — ‘coon tracks around the rice/corn paddy and half of the corn that had been struggling in there have disappeared:

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...there had been 10 feeder goldfish and minnows in the paddy that DD and I have been trying unsuccessfully to rescue/retrieve since the water level has been going down and we’re looking at possible drought + 90’s temp for the next 10 days.... Well, it looks like the raccoon(s) did their own version of fish-rescue. I did see and managed to scoop up one gold fish out of the muddy remaining puddles and returned it to the wire rack-covered (foresight thus proven to be correct) tub with the other backup fish, but I can’t tell if there are any others left. :|


...this does not bode well for my meager patch of corn..... :x



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