Hi all -
It's spring again, and I'm excited to get my vegetable garden going. As always, it's a work in progress, trying to improve on last year's mistakes. I'm afraid I'm already repeating the mistake of trying to fit too many plants into the available space. I suspect I'll never learn on that one unless I get a bigger plot!
The inspectors say I've got all my plants ready to go:
Tomatos:
- Green Zebra
- Matt's Wild Cherry (a repeat)
- Orange Strawberry
- Stupice
- Sweet Million
- Yellow Pear (a repeat)
Peppers:
- Antohi Romanian
- California Wonder
- Purple Jalapeño
- Jimmy Nardello
- Padron (repeat)
- Sweet Banana Goddess
Persian Cucumbers
Sugar Snap Peas
Blue Lake Pole Beans
I've built a much more robust trellis for my beans and peas:
And I've just installed this year's irrigation system:
Wish me luck!!
Last year I had quite a bit of trouble with my tomatoes and peppers. The tomatoes rallied and produced well, but the peppers were pretty much a bust.
I've been advised by my local nursery (Love Apple Farms) that the tomatoes shouldn't go in the ground for at least a couple more weeks, and the peppers in May. I'm wondering whether I should get the others in the ground now. Peas for sure, but how about the beans and cucumbers? I've just taken the soil temperature 4" down, about 65 F at 8:30 PM. Average temperature is in the high 50's with lows in the mid 40's.
I've been advised by my local nursery (Love Apple Farms) that the tomatoes shouldn't go in the ground for at least a couple more weeks, and the peppers in May. I'm wondering whether I should get the others in the ground now. Peas for sure, but how about the beans and cucumbers? I've just taken the soil temperature 4" down, about 65 F at 8:30 PM. Average temperature is in the high 50's with lows in the mid 40's.
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Yup! tomato seeds must be extremely hardy! Everywhere I plant with my homemade compost I get volunteer tomato plants. I already pulled a couple this spring. It's amazing they go through the compost process, and through all the freezes in winter, you can look at your compost and not see any seeds, but as soon as you plant it they pop up!
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Does one need to be careful and selective of type? The development in which is live is ringed by a -slightly- landscaped walking trail. Along this trail in an area with many cubic feet of pine needles from the trees. I'm talking a foot-deep blanket! I'm quite sure it is not hit with any pesticides or herbicides.Lindsaylew82 wrote:Pretty pretty! Get you some pine straw to cover up all that dirt!
I'm seriously about to mulch heavily due to my cats.
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I do very little overall. A heavy pruning in the winter, feeding seasonally, and thinning the fruit. I have two cherry trees that appear very healthy but have some sort of disease keeping them from fruiting properly. They blossom like mad, start setting fruit, and then all the fruit shrivel and die. I overheard some neighbors talking about their cherry trees dying, so I'm counting my blessings.Lindsaylew82 wrote:How are you managing your fruit trees?
I'm having pretty frustrating problems with curculio this year.
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CATS LOVE MULCH!!! I love that mulch, too! Looks very niiiiiiiiiiice!
I love cats! But I have a serious dislike of people who let their animals roam. My neighbors are really irresponsible and disrespectful when it comes to their animals, who ALL use my yard as their personal litterbox. Dogs, though. We are currently out of cats.
I love cats! But I have a serious dislike of people who let their animals roam. My neighbors are really irresponsible and disrespectful when it comes to their animals, who ALL use my yard as their personal litterbox. Dogs, though. We are currently out of cats.
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So cool to see your hard work paying off! I bet your pea plants are huge now and your beans are going crazy. Have you gotten your pepper plants in the ground yet?
Oh, and I'm totally jealous of your irrigation system...I'm still too intimidated to even try assembling one. Maybe next year.
ETA: sorry, now I see that you did plant your peppers and there were more pics than I first saw. Your mulch looks great, as do all of your veggies.
Oh, and I'm totally jealous of your irrigation system...I'm still too intimidated to even try assembling one. Maybe next year.
ETA: sorry, now I see that you did plant your peppers and there were more pics than I first saw. Your mulch looks great, as do all of your veggies.

Well, as it happens both the very large and rather small cherry trees managed to bring a tiny handful of fruits to, well, fruition, and they were delicious. The nectarines will be done in a few weeks I reckon, the apples not till at least August.MichaelC wrote:I have two cherry trees that appear very healthy but have some sort of disease keeping them from fruiting properly. They blossom like mad, start setting fruit, and then all the fruit shrivel and die. I overheard some neighbors talking about their cherry trees dying, so I'm counting my blessings.
Thanks so much, KitchenGardener. The peas have taken off though only some of the starts made it. They will fill their trellis for a bounteous but short harvest, from my experience. The beans are slow starters but produce heavily till I call it quits in autumn. They'll fill that whole trellis.KitchenGardener wrote:So cool to see your hard work paying off! I bet your pea plants are huge now and your beans are going crazy. Have you gotten your pepper plants in the ground yet?
Oh, and I'm totally jealous of your irrigation system...I'm still too intimidated to even try assembling one. Maybe next year.
ETA: sorry, now I see that you did plant your peppers and there were more pics than I first saw. Your mulch looks great, as do all of your veggies.
The irrigation system was actually pretty easy, an investment of perhaps $100 maximum including a decent timer. Spending a good amount of time staring at parts and pictures in a catalog and imagining it in my space combined for a decent start last year and a pretty good showing this year. I'm still wasting a few 1G/hour outlets and didn't get the outlets and plants to match up like I envisioned.
I'm anticipating another frustrating season for me for peppers - we'll see.
What I've got set up for this year's irrigation is four zones with dedicated valves attached to a single timer- trellis, cukes, tomatoes, peppers. The only unlike vegetables on the same line are the beans and peas. Later in the summer I can truncate that line to only water the beans.
Every day more or less, demanding on the weather, I set whatever plants need to be watered the next day via the timer and the valves.
Every day more or less, demanding on the weather, I set whatever plants need to be watered the next day via the timer and the valves.
Well whaddayou know? We've actually gotten a couple dozen cherries to fruition this year! They are so good that I will endeavor to find out what's going wrong with them for next year.MichaelC wrote:I have two cherry trees that appear very healthy but have some sort of disease keeping them from fruiting properly. They blossom like mad, start setting fruit, and then all the fruit shrivel and die. I overheard some neighbors talking about their cherry trees dying, so I'm counting my blessings.
I'm also excited that the plum tree my father in law tried his best to kill last year (never invite someone to help you prune unless you plan to closely supervise them!) has come back, and although I never noticed it blooming it has set quite a few fruit. Unfortunately, all the new growth is WAAAY up there, so I'm not sure how I'm going to harvest them. The first year we lived here, it fruited early and we harvested buckets full just as windfalls. So maybe that will work again this year.
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Oooh, plums SHOULD be pruned rather hard and cut back all the tall shoots. They fruit on new wood.
Everything looks great! There are new challenges every year, but you keep learning how to deal with them, right?
My own cats are inside cats with only rare supervised outings, but my neighbor feeds cats that come to her yard -- apparently some are "homeless" -- no claimed human -- cats that roam from place to place. And THEY stop by my front yard to make deposits -- on the grass.
They only rarely come into the back yard now because I literally run out and chase them off and send my children out too. But the front yard....
Some tricks that do work for a while -- pick up then spray spot and surrounding area with hot pepper and garlic water (soak and leave in a gallon jug -- kind of like making insect pepper/garlic spray -- or hot pepper powder (I dry and grind up all spoiled, damaged fruits and inner membranes and seeds I don't use or save) AND put down bits of thorny clippings along their paths (cats usually follow a set path) where I won't be poking around bare handed.
Good luck.
Everything looks great! There are new challenges every year, but you keep learning how to deal with them, right?
My own cats are inside cats with only rare supervised outings, but my neighbor feeds cats that come to her yard -- apparently some are "homeless" -- no claimed human -- cats that roam from place to place. And THEY stop by my front yard to make deposits -- on the grass.

Some tricks that do work for a while -- pick up then spray spot and surrounding area with hot pepper and garlic water (soak and leave in a gallon jug -- kind of like making insect pepper/garlic spray -- or hot pepper powder (I dry and grind up all spoiled, damaged fruits and inner membranes and seeds I don't use or save) AND put down bits of thorny clippings along their paths (cats usually follow a set path) where I won't be poking around bare handed.
Good luck.
Hi applestar - he pretty much cut the entire tree (a large one) down to the trunk. As a result, last year it didn't even produce leaves!! I thought for sure it was dead. I'm no expert but I pretty much know what I'm doing with fruit tree pruning.
Now all of the new growth is about 15-20 feet above ground level. If I knew what the rootstock was, I might just give up on it and let one of the many scions it's trying to produce start over again.
I'll try to get you a couple photos.
Now all of the new growth is about 15-20 feet above ground level. If I knew what the rootstock was, I might just give up on it and let one of the many scions it's trying to produce start over again.
I'll try to get you a couple photos.
Sorry I missed responding to this. Yes, my peppers went in a week or two ago.KitchenGardener wrote:So cool to see your hard work paying off! I bet your pea plants are huge now and your beans are going crazy. Have you gotten your pepper plants in the ground yet?
It was really easy! And even easier this second year after learning last year. Feel free to message me anytime for specific advice.Oh, and I'm totally jealous of your irrigation system...I'm still too intimidated to even try assembling one. Maybe next year.
It wasn't expensive, and Peaceful Valley makes it pretty simple to figure out what you need and their prices are much lower than most places. I think I spent $100 tops including the electric timer (refurbished from amazon). This year I spent less than $10 for a few additional bits and bobs. 1/2" fittings of various types cost less than half than those from my local ACE. I also found very cheap fittings from Drip Depot via amazon.
I really like the emitter tubing, I was able to reuse it this year with no clogging. The only downside is the limitation of the 12" spacing, compared with regular drip fittings that you can put exactly where you want them. I was able to plan it this year so that each plant type has its own valve. I'm very happy with it, and in this drought couldn't justify a vegetable garden otherwise.
Thanks so much for your kind comments! I need to put up some new pictures. I seem to be terrible at taking photos of tomato plants.ETA: sorry, now I see that you did plant your peppers and there were more pics than I first saw. Your mulch looks great, as do all of your veggies.
Time for some new photos.
First up, my beans. I'm starting to wonder if the starts I bought this year were mislabelled bush beans! But I can't remember exactly what they were doing this time last year. They are growing like crazy and just started flowering heavily. But they are showing no signs of going UP.
The cucumbers seem to be off to a pretty normal start.
The peas are clearly suffering from the heat, and I don't think they'll do as well as they did last year. I remember that last May was very cold. That's OK, the beans will take over that side later (that is, IF they are pole beans!) This little bunch seem to be soldiering through enough to provide a few pods:
The peppers are going slowly. Here's a couple:
This one is pretty sickly. It just started making a bunch of flowers, I'm keeping an eye on it.
First up, my beans. I'm starting to wonder if the starts I bought this year were mislabelled bush beans! But I can't remember exactly what they were doing this time last year. They are growing like crazy and just started flowering heavily. But they are showing no signs of going UP.
The cucumbers seem to be off to a pretty normal start.
The peas are clearly suffering from the heat, and I don't think they'll do as well as they did last year. I remember that last May was very cold. That's OK, the beans will take over that side later (that is, IF they are pole beans!) This little bunch seem to be soldiering through enough to provide a few pods:
The peppers are going slowly. Here's a couple:
This one is pretty sickly. It just started making a bunch of flowers, I'm keeping an eye on it.
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Here are some shots of a few of my tomatoes, which are doing super. I'm just terrible at taking pictures of them.
I forgot to take a shot of the Sweet Million that I had to replace after 6 weeks of growth thanks to the antics of one of my feline friends. I also should take one of the volunteer (likely from Matt's Wild Cherry), which seems to be doing pretty well since I started fertilizing it. It is outside the area of soil that I cultivate.
I forgot to take a shot of the Sweet Million that I had to replace after 6 weeks of growth thanks to the antics of one of my feline friends. I also should take one of the volunteer (likely from Matt's Wild Cherry), which seems to be doing pretty well since I started fertilizing it. It is outside the area of soil that I cultivate.
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Looking great! But you should just sow your own beans. Beans are easy. My DD's grew some beans that spilled out from hand-made actual bean-stuffed beanbags when they were little. 
I have Christmas Lima bean that I bought just a small amount from the organic bulk section a couple of years ago, first year was a touch and go but collected seeds have shown more vigor. Usually they do better if you pre-germinate in a sprouter and plant just the vigorous ones. Larger beans like Lima's might be heat dried, which would reduce viability.
Stuff from the sprouting section has better viability since they are mostly expected to sprout.
...and of course you could get actuall packets of seeds

I have Christmas Lima bean that I bought just a small amount from the organic bulk section a couple of years ago, first year was a touch and go but collected seeds have shown more vigor. Usually they do better if you pre-germinate in a sprouter and plant just the vigorous ones. Larger beans like Lima's might be heat dried, which would reduce viability.
Stuff from the sprouting section has better viability since they are mostly expected to sprout.
...and of course you could get actuall packets of seeds

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So I've got a TON of what I believe with some degree of certainty are orange oxheart heirloom tomatoes volunteering all over my garden from last years compost. I plan to leave a few to sprawl because I have found in years past regardless of hybrids coming back (not true varieties, just smaller) or heirlooms, compost volunteers make the BEST tomatoes. I've got volunteer squash coming up too, probably going to let a few of them go as well. Plants are cool little things!rainbowgardener wrote:Yup! tomato seeds must be extremely hardy! Everywhere I plant with my homemade compost I get volunteer tomato plants. I already pulled a couple this spring. It's amazing they go through the compost process, and through all the freezes in winter, you can look at your compost and not see any seeds, but as soon as you plant it they pop up!

applestar - I'm going to do beans from seed next year, I think. I've already got seeds. The reason I use starts is that I don't till my cover crop into the soil until a few weeks before I plant. My garden is not ready for planting until sometime in April. So direct sowing will mean a later start.
For plants like tomatoes, I find it much simpler to buy high quality starts instead going to the effort, space consumption, learning curve, and expense of investing in seed propagation gear. That last is not so important, I know one can make good use of improvised materials. Pennywise and pound foolish? Maybe, but that's my comfort level.
cousinjordo - I understand that's pretty common with composting depending on what one composts! This little guy has to have come from a Matt's Wild Cherry fruit that escaped my hands as I was harvesting. It's tricky holding on to every single one of those tiny things when I'm working six feet above the ground! If it comes to fruition, it'll be interesting to see what kind of fruits it has. It could have been pollinated by any number of its neighbors.
I'll post photos of the volunteer and Sweet Million soon. The Sweet Million has incredibly dark green foliage. I'm very disappointed by the untimely death of its predecessor, it would have been pretty darned big by now.
For plants like tomatoes, I find it much simpler to buy high quality starts instead going to the effort, space consumption, learning curve, and expense of investing in seed propagation gear. That last is not so important, I know one can make good use of improvised materials. Pennywise and pound foolish? Maybe, but that's my comfort level.
cousinjordo - I understand that's pretty common with composting depending on what one composts! This little guy has to have come from a Matt's Wild Cherry fruit that escaped my hands as I was harvesting. It's tricky holding on to every single one of those tiny things when I'm working six feet above the ground! If it comes to fruition, it'll be interesting to see what kind of fruits it has. It could have been pollinated by any number of its neighbors.
I'll post photos of the volunteer and Sweet Million soon. The Sweet Million has incredibly dark green foliage. I'm very disappointed by the untimely death of its predecessor, it would have been pretty darned big by now.
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But you can just start most of those seeds right in the garden and they'll be up within a week or 2! Most of them anyway! Squash, peas, beans, okra, corn, Cukes... They all go right on in the garden dirt! Just till a little earlier, or even better, just don't till! Add a layer of compost, and then just remulch!
I may try tilling earlier next year. The cover crop and tilling it in are a major part of my soil strategy. This soil was awful two summers ago when I began gardening. After growing a massive cover crop and tilling it in with a couple other small amendments, it was fantastic last year. An additional factor is when the spring rains occur. This year I had a very brief window in which to till in the cover crop.
Here are a few more photos. First, I took a few shots to show the whole garden area. I think I've firmly decided that that little pear tree (planted, like all of our fruit trees, by the previous owner) is going next year. It's in the way, it shades the vegetables in an area that already gets a less than optimal amount of sun, and none of us even likes pears.
Here's the Sweet Million:
And the volunteer - in this photo I think you can get a sense of how lousy the soil here is without being worked.
Here are a few more photos. First, I took a few shots to show the whole garden area. I think I've firmly decided that that little pear tree (planted, like all of our fruit trees, by the previous owner) is going next year. It's in the way, it shades the vegetables in an area that already gets a less than optimal amount of sun, and none of us even likes pears.
Here's the Sweet Million:
And the volunteer - in this photo I think you can get a sense of how lousy the soil here is without being worked.
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I've taken a couple more shots of my tomatoes as I'm growing some of the same varieties as Lindsay.
Stupice:
Green Zebra:
Check out the crazy leaf curl they're starting to exhibit. It seems to be a standard tomato characteristic in my garden. It worried me to no end last summer, but the plants thrived and produced prodigiously, so I've stopped questioning it!
Stupice:
Green Zebra:
Check out the crazy leaf curl they're starting to exhibit. It seems to be a standard tomato characteristic in my garden. It worried me to no end last summer, but the plants thrived and produced prodigiously, so I've stopped questioning it!