Is this a paw paw tree?

[evtubbergh]

I pulled this out and took a photo to ask you all to identify for me but my husband says it's a paw paw tree. I'm blown over because he never knows what anything is called but I guess he comes from and area thra grown tropical fruit.

Anyway, can anyone confirm this for me? I'm considering trying to pot it and see if I can grow it on the patio over winter.





Can you tell I have aphids?

[rainbowgardener]

Well, I don't know if you have something else in S. Africa that is called paw paw.

We have a paw paw that is native here, and your leaf is not even close to it:



http://www.sevenkids.net/.a/6a00d8341cc ... cfa970d-pi


Asimina triloba

It is a temperate tree, not a tropical. Would not live in your area, because it needs cold dormancy.


OK, I looked it up. Apparently in Africa (and maybe S. America), there is a papaya tree (Carica papaya) which is commonly called paw paw.


http://www.yucatanadventure.com.mx/Hda. ... oliage.jpg

[tomc]

That is not Asimina triloba--pawpaw.

Possibly useless trivia about pawpaw. Its roots are very fleshy (and fragile) so it only transplants poorly while it is fully dormant. an' not at all awake. Most northerly of the ebony family. Has a strongly perfumed fruit that can literally be smelled for blocks. Its strawberry and banana flavored fruit has seeds big as a quarter.

[rainbowgardener]

nope, definitely not our paw paw, asimina triloba.

but probably is their paw paw, carica papaya.

[evtubbergh]

That is the weirdest thing. I was on my phone so it was difficult to look up. The brief look on google images gave me those ovate leaves you posted too but not ours.

So do you buy paw paw like that in the shops or papaya like we get? Is your paw paw nice to eat?

I have wondered for years what the real difference between pawpaw and papaya is! Now I see all our fruit is actually papaya, probably just different varieties.

[Ozark Lady]

I buy papaya at the health food store dried.. it is good.

I have never seen our paw paws in stores.
I walk out and look for them, and wait for them to ripen.

They are interesting to eat straight. Kind of texture like avocado, but to me the flavor is banana laced with orange juice. The large seeds are interesting, a bit larger than a watermelon seed.

I think our paw paws shine in "banana bread" they already have the banana and orange flavor naturally.

I haven't tried dehydrating them, but I bet they would be good.

We have a large patch of them deep in the ravine, hard to get to, and a single tree up here where we are.

[imafan26]

I think in Australia and the Caribbean papayas are called pawpaw apparently it is the spanish name for papaya. The American pawpaw is related to soursop and cherimoya. I think I have seen something like that growing here but I never knew what they were.

[!potatoes!]

i have found asemina pawpaws in a store, but it was wild-collected fruit. there are really good selected cultivars around though, with high flesh-to-seed ratio, and improved texture and flavor...i think we're getting to a place where a commercial pawpaw orchard could do well. when we buy property, i plan on putting in a fair number.

(papaya is also frequently called pawpaw in the carribean, for those keeping score)

[evtubbergh]

This is so interesting! I never noticed that there were no papayas in your shops because I don't actually like them. (The reason I have one growing is because I buy them for the birds). I might prefer it dried though.

It's funny how things I thought were so normal are not every where.

Would anyone like to send me some seeds? How invasive are they?

PS The tree it all wilted so probably not worth trying. Also my husband tried to (politely) tell me it would not work on our patio. One day I will build a greenhouse and grow a papaya

[tomc]

Most pawpaw fruit sold fresh or as preserves-jam are wild collected. Pawpaw does not transplant well even when fully dormant, and just about not at all when awake.

Keeping this tree in a pot is not an option. It will not tolerate fiddling with its feet. trust me, large leaf size notwithstanding I tried.

I'm also wondering if seasonal fatigue may not preclude its being kept in SA.

Remind me late in August if you want to try anyway. I might also recommend you check with your Dept. O Agriculture, to see if you can legally import seed. Plant police are rarely supplied with a sense of humor. FWIW they won't be sending me to jail...

[Ozark Lady]

Around here paw paw trees are only 'understory' trees.
When I find young ones growing, I look around, there has to be shade of a larger tree.
If the area around the paw paw gets too cleared out, it just dies right out.

But, down in the ravine, they get very tall, and have several feet out of the canopy above and do really well.
I think you are on to something about touchy about its base.

I shared lots of seeds with folks, I haven't heard if anyone had any luck starting them and growing them from seeds.

[tomc]

Around here paw paw trees are only 'understory' trees.

I shared lots of seeds with folks, I haven't heard if anyone had any luck starting them and growing them from seeds.

With some shade (and yes they are an understory tree) seed planted in prepared ground will grow well. I've sent on seed and seedlings inside USofA. Shipping over the border needs a bare-root plant and CITES paperwork.

If you simply must grow them in a germination pan, leave them sit till they are dormant again before transplanting for their final time to field.

[rainbowgardener]

This is so interesting! I never noticed that there were no papayas in your shops because I don't actually like them. (The reason I have one growing is because I buy them for the birds). I might prefer it dried though.

It's funny how things I thought were so normal are not every where.

Would anyone like to send me some seeds? How invasive are they?

PS The tree it all wilted so probably not worth trying. Also my husband tried to (politely) tell me it would not work on our patio. One day I will build a greenhouse and grow a papaya

We have to be really careful here, since we are talking about different things.

There are papayas in our stores. They are tropical fruits imported from Central America or somewhere.

There are no American paw paws in our stores, because the fruits are very delicate and can't be shipped, turn in to mush.

When you asked about sending you seed, did you mean seed of the American paw paw or of the Carica papaya? The American paw paw is not likely to do well in your climated due to the lack of cold dormancy.

[evtubbergh]

I meant papayas in the shops and seeds for your pawpaws. They might do very well here in Joburg, which is why I'd love to try them. We have a decent cold winter with frost and everything so I think they would be ok. I noticed they were low growing under some other trees. I have space available near some taller trees that gets a fair amount of water. This is actually in my mom's garden but I hope she won't mind.

I was thinking when you said it's sensitive that I could start them in peat pots. I can plant them out while still young and protect them with cages as my mom really looks after her garden.

It's always good to try new fruit and new plants

[Ozark Lady]

I don't have any seeds on hand.

A few years back, I harvested, ate and saved a lot of seeds for folks in the USA.

After I sent all that were interested seeds, I just threw the others out. I have had no requests lately, and therefore have not saved seeds of them at all.

I have picked them green, they will gradually ripen, but they are pretty delicate. I am not sure why they were never raised commercially, but I do recall seeing some online businesses that do provide them to folks.

Some years we have quite a bit of frost but not much deep freezing, and not usually much snow or ice. But, they do need their period of dormancy.

One thing, they stink. The fruit are not pollinated in the usual way, they are a repellent to most pollinators, so a reliable harvest is sometimes hard to get. The entire plant stinks, but the fruits don't.
When ripe, they kind of look like large potatoes, not very pretty. I would say that they lack eye appeal.