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Seeds I am ordering tomorrow from Shrumway!

Shrumway seems to ghave the best prices per amount of seeds. They also have some really nice selections! here is what I am getting to start the new year!
++Tanja Cucumber 500 seeds $5.95 58 day up to 14 inches!
+++Pink Popsocks Cosmos 250 seeds $7.50 gets 18 in suitable for pots also!
++Brussel Sprouts Faistaff Hy. wine colored 250 seeds $5.95!
++Cucumber Orient Express HY. 250 seeds $6.75 long narrow oriental type!
++Kohlrabi Kossak 10 inches across 250 seeds $6.95!
++Chineese Giant Red Pepper 70 days 500 seeds $4.75!
++Amish Paste Tomato 74 day 8 ounce $5.95 for 1/8 ounce!
++Pineapple Tomato 85 days $5.75 1/8 ounce!
++Triple L Crop tomato 15 foot vins 85 days $4.65 1/8 ounce. I will be trading some of these seeds also!
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Has anyone grown any of these? These are great prices a 1/8 of tomato seeds is well over a 1000!
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i grew the pineapple tomato this year, big tomatoes, tasted good but all the plants effort went into big fruit rather than lots of them.
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Frank, I went to RH Shumway's site and found this,
Tomatoes
Sow in flats 6 to 8 weeks prior to transplanting outdoors. Tomato seed will not germinate in cool soil. Be sure soil temperature is at least 75 degrees F. Plant seed 1/4 inch deep. When plants are 1-1/2 inches high, transplant into Jiffy pots. Transplant outdoors 3 to 4 feet apart only when night time temperature stays above 45 degrees F. Maturity dates are from date of outdoor transplanting. One ounce produces 1,000 plants.
https://www.rhshumway.com/dc.asp?c=105

I believe 1/8 ounce is 125 seeds. Maybe I'm reading the catalog wrong.

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From when I use to buy them in bulk before i think most regular tomato seeds are 11,000 per ounce except for the small tomatoes! Correct me if I am wrong because my memory is getting bad!
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I hope you're not disappointed when your seeds arrive. You should go back and check your order. I believe you will be receiving far less seed than you think.

Hope I'm wrong and you're getting a great deal.

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I think I am right . Here are the numbers of seeds per ounce. I wrote somthing here awhile back about seed packs and the ones that only give 25 seeds compared to a gram of seeds! That is why its nice to know the number of seeds per ounce! Lots of the seed companies take advantage of the average gardner when it comes to seed packs.

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Vegetable Seeds Per Ounce
(28 grams = 1 ounce)

Beets:1,600
Broccoli:9,000
Brussels Sprouts:9,000
Cabbage:9,000
Carrots:23,000
Corn:120-180
Cucumbers:1,100
Eggplant:6,500
Lettuce:25,000
Onions:8,500
Peas:90-175
Peppers:4,500
Pumpkins:100-300
Radishes:2,500
Snap Beans:100-125
Spinach:2,800
Squash:120-400
Tomaotes:11,500




Flower Seeds Per Ounce
(28 grams = 1 ounce)

Blanket Flower:15,000
Calendula:3,500
Candytuft:9,500
Coneflower:40,000
Cornflower:6,000
Cosmos:4,000 – 5,000
Larkspur:8,000
Marigold:9,000
Morning glory:800
Nasturtium:175
Poppy:260,000
Stock:18,500
Strawflower:45,000
Sunflower:500-700
Zinnia:2,500 – 4,000
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I don't know where you got all that, Bobber, but I'm not believing all of it. There's just no way there's 11,000 tomato seeds in an ounce. The Shumway catalog says one ounce produces 1000 plants.

And I don't know where you got the prices. I checked from DDF's link and found this:

https://www.rhshumway.com/dp.asp?pID=00029

It's the Amish Paste tomatoes. They don't even offer the 1/8th ounce, only 1/16th or 1/4. The 1/16th ounce is $8.50 -- half as many seeds for half again as much $$ as you were talking about. 1/16th ounce would be about 60 seeds. At that price, it's not even a good deal. 2 packets would also be 60 seeds and that would be $4. I guess they figure no one is going to do the math....
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I just placed the order by phone!. I have the catalog here HPS Catalog RH Shrumways! I would say a 1/8 ounce of tomatoes seeds is well over 1000 seeds for standard varities! !
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I'm a little :?

Take a look at this.
https://www.greenharvest.com.au/seeds/info_sheet/seeds_per_gram.html
https://www.harvestwizard.com/2011/05/vegetable_seeds_per_ounce_per.html
https://www.sustainlane.com/reviews/how-many-vegetable-seeds-are-in-an-ounce-how-many-plants-are-needed-to-feed-a-family-of-four/NAFSCBX9JI1U9SW739KJBZ1WXAMD

Frank's seed count looks good. Tomatoes average 315 seeds per gram. 315 x 28 ( grams per ounce) = 8820 per oz. Not 11,500 but that really doesn't matter.

8820 x .0625 = 551 seeds 1/16 oz. or 1100 to 1/8oz

Is the catalog wrong. Is my math wrong.

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I sent an email to RH Shrumways customer service. I asked if the 1000 plants per ounce is a typo. I'll post the reply.

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Tomatoes average between 8,000 to 11,500 seeds per ounce depending on the tomato. They may have said that one of ten seeds produce to get the 1000 per ounce but I bought seeds by the ounce 30 years ago 7 varities and that was the average count! I would say sweet 100,s has a much higher count probably 14,000 per ounce.! I think its 28.6 grams per ounce. Most companies sell seeds in 100 MG which is 1/10 of a gram and about 1/300 of a ounce or about 30 seeds
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10% germination is pretty crappy Frank. You wouldn't sell many seeds with that advertised.

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I agree so they must have a mistake or something else they are trying to say! I would say 90% is a good rate!
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rainbowgardener wrote:I don't know where you got all that, Bobber, but I'm not believing all of it. There's just no way there's 11,000 tomato seeds in an ounce. The Shumway catalog says one ounce produces 1000 plants.

And I don't know where you got the prices. I checked from DDF's link and found this:

https://www.rhshumway.com/dp.asp?pID=00029

It's the Amish Paste tomatoes. They don't even offer the 1/8th ounce, only 1/16th or 1/4. The 1/16th ounce is $8.50 -- half as many seeds for half again as much $$ as you were talking about. 1/16th ounce would be about 60 seeds. At that price, it's not even a good deal. 2 packets would also be 60 seeds and that would be $4. I guess they figure no one is going to do the math....
Ya it looks like I got the Amish tomato seeds at a much better price 1/8 ounce for $5.95. I got the order in today with $8.95 shipping I have the catalog here It says Horticultral service and service deviion Wisconsin. The rices are correct as is the amount of seeds! Like I said I will be trading some of these seeds along with alot I have saved this year!
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Here is the link to the seed catalog where the Amish tomato seeds are 1/8 ounce for $5.95
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https://www.hpsseed.com/dp.asp?pID=00029&c=330&p=Amish Paste Tomato
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Reply from RH Srumways,

Thank you for your email. One ounce of tomato seeds contains approximately
8000 seeds depending upon the size and variety. Cherry tomatoes will
contain more because of the size.

How many plants they produce will depend upon the germination and growing
conditions.

We appreciate you bringing this to our attention and will correct the
website.

Nancy
Customer Service

1 direct to: Customer Service
2 about: Seeds per ounce
3 fname: Eric

So the catalog was wrong. Check out the correction. :D
https://www.rhshumway.com/dc.asp?c=105
Tomatoes
Sow in flats 6 to 8 weeks prior to transplanting outdoors. Tomato seed will not germinate in cool soil. Be sure soil temperature is at least 75 degrees F. Plant seed 1/4 inch deep. When plants are 1-1/2 inches high, transplant into Jiffy pots. Transplant outdoors 3 to 4 feet apart only when night time temperature stays above 45 degrees F. Maturity dates are from date of outdoor transplanting. Tomato seed varies in size with an average of 9000 seeds per ounce.
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whoa...lol. Frank was like a dog backed into a corner there for a sec! good for you for stickin' to yer guns! I would have backed down way sooner. Good catch on the catalog being wrong Eric 8)
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I guess we are smarter than a fifth grader! Way to go! Double dog double checked and it worked out fine!
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