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Meet our cat family.

Slim. Easily our second best cat ever. Sleek, strong, affectionate, a killing machine.

[img]https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3220/2797901347_f5c95581b8_o.jpg[/img]

KC (Kirby's Kitty) Aloof, disdainful, distant, barely tolerant, fat, lazy, not much threat any longer.

[img]https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5110/5641053742_c8fa07c41d_o.jpg[/img]

And the dog family.
Kirby, 15 and counting. Our second dachshund. Much to my dismay, she thinks that she is a person and that we are her servants.
[img]https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3604/3379567288_fdfd81c24e_o.jpg[/img]


Miss Cleo. A true badger killer. Affectionate but independent.
[img]https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3598/3379567876_a4b7126fb8_o.jpg[/img]

Lizzie. Our second yellow lab. Loving, unruly, too little training from me.
[img]https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5107/5640483109_afcda62e5d_o.jpg[/img]

If up to me, we would only have one or two outside dogs (mostly for security), but I get no vote on the mostly inside dachshunds. Until the last couple of years of wildlife killings, have had no vote on the cats either.
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"I was just trying to figure out a way to protect my seedling starts from our two cats and all of a sudden your post came up in it."

For me the connection had to do with destructive behavior of pets. Obviously, just like everything, pet ownership comes with a set of positives and negatives. Also most all decisions represent some kind of compromise between the best interest of the animal and the best interest of some other factor. Since being steward of our 130 acres is my greatest obligation, and since I'm not willing to have cats live inside the house, not having cats for pets would represent the only reasonable choice. That is as long as the wife if in agreement with such a decision! If the wife insists on having a cat or two, then we will continue with our past practice of encouraging the animals to stay on our property and in discouraging their habit of killing so many creatures. As previous posters have noted however, controlling a cats behavior while giving it a degree of freedom at the same time, can be quite a challenge.
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hendi_alex wrote:"I was just trying to figure out a way to protect my seedling starts from our two cats and all of a sudden your post came up in it."

For me the connection had to do with destructive behavior of pets. Obviously, just like everything, pet ownership comes with a set of positives and negatives. Also most all decisions represent some kind of compromise between the best interest of the animal and the best interest of some other factor. Since being steward of our 130 acres is my greatest obligation, and since I'm not willing to have cats live inside the house, not having cats for pets would represent the only reasonable choice. That is as long as the wife if in agreement with such a decision! If the wife insists on having a cat or two, then we will continue with our past practice of encouraging the animals to stay on our property and in discouraging their habit of killing so many creatures. As previous posters have noted however, controlling a cats behavior while giving it a degree of freedom at the same time, can be quite a challenge.
I wish I could see your pics- but alas, I'm at work and can't see them here! I will look when I get home. Out of curiousity, since you said the wildlife killings were a new occurance- was there something that triggered them to start doing so? Maybe that can be found and prevented so they stop. Of course, if you don't want cats as pets, or companions around the property, than that is your right and perhaps some steps can be taken so no others come around?

I do agree that everything has positives and negatives, and as much as I love my veggie starts (which I have locked in the front room at the moment) I also love my cats and guinea pigs, and can't imagine not having either around the house. Hopefully there can be a happy medium in the middle, some day, in which the local wildlife, cats, and our veggie plants can live in happy harmony. Where there are no negative feelings one way or another.

However, when it comes right down to it- I can always grow from seed and plant another veggie plant. If it's something that i spent a lot of time on, I might be sad, but I could also loose that plant to an SVB, Aphids, or a wandering deer;' so even if the damage isn't from a cat, or a dog, i can loose it. It's a risk all gardners take; It's also the same risk as having a cat go after my plants, though cat damage can be mostly prevented. I've got a fence around my garden (granted, it isn't very large) that prevents the neighbors cats from bothering it. However, it doesn't keep out the smaller mice and other digger type things that like to dig up my plants and ruined my cantaloupe plants last year.

I'll be absolutely heartbroken if i loose the companionship of our two cats- that's something that can never be replaced.

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SPierce: have you tried extra-tall baby gates to keep the cats out of the rooms with the seedlings? I know that cats can jump right over regular baby gates--mine do! :D But extra-tall might discourage them, depending on their...ah...physiques. :wink: A 28-lb Maine Coon who basically likes to lie around and rule his domain is less likely to go over an extra-tall than, say, a 10-lb calico whose favorite game is Midnight ThunderPaws.

I don't know which kind(s) you have.

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cynthia_h wrote:SPierce: have you tried extra-tall baby gates to keep the cats out of the rooms with the seedlings? I know that cats can jump right over regular baby gates--mine do! :D But extra-tall might discourage them, depending on their...ah...physiques. :wink: A 28-lb Maine Coon who basically likes to lie around and rule his domain is less likely to go over an extra-tall than, say, a 10-lb calico whose favorite game is Midnight ThunderPaws.

I don't know which kind(s) you have.

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I have one of each :D One lazy bum who can't jump, and another one who's so agile he pops up everywhere! :lol: :lol:

In other good news, my seedlings are starting to develop true leaves! I'm so excited and happy

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[url=https://www.tallbabystuff.com/extra-tall-baby-gates.html]Here's[/url] a survey of tall baby gates currently on the market. These are for parents of taller babies, but you might have an idea of the Jumper's abilities! :)

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cynthia_h wrote:[url=https://www.tallbabystuff.com/extra-tall-baby-gates.html]Here's[/url] a survey of tall baby gates currently on the market. These are for parents of taller babies, but you might have an idea of the Jumper's abilities! :)

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thank you :D ive got an agile boy, though. he can jump about 6 feet high if he really wanted too,

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Whether you like cats dogs or not our concern here is how they effect our garden and house plants! The worse & best thing about cats is they cover their poop and this causes poblems with young seedlings and ruins a new garden!. Actuarlly their urine is good for the garden! Cats and dogs are wild animals and have to be resricted from those areas by us the thinkers! Cats will play and the plants will pay! Itoo do not like to see dead birds and butterflies but that is the nature of the cat!..
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Every cat I've ever owned could have easily leapt over the tall gates I have now to confine my jumping dogs. Interestingly, even though each gate has a "small animal door" at the bottom, the cat I had when I got these dogs and installed the gates preferred to walk right between the bars. :lol:
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I did find [url=https://www.petedge.com/product/AKC-Powder-Coated-Panel-Gate-within-Gate/51742.uts]this product[/url] at Pet Edge, but 1) its price and 2) its "non-stand-alone" quality held me back.

It *does* look fairly cat-proof to me, though; I've had some very athletic cats, but don't think any of them would have bothered to jump over a 6-foot barrier to get at plants. They might have jumped up TO a 6-foot bookshelf to have a lordly perch, but just to end up on the floor again...probably wouldn't have motivated any of them. :lol:

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My cats would have jumped a 6' gate, just to get at the window sills, which of course, was also where I kept some of my plants. I didn't mind them getting at the window sills, but I would have if they were destroying my seedlings in the process. :lol:

I think that gate panel is an option that can be purchased for a dog kennel ... or so the instructions on the pdf seem to indicate. It certainly wouldn't fit in any of my doorways, which for my interior doors, mostly measure about 34".
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FWIW -- I have one room that is off limits to my cats. There is a pressure mounted metal baby gate with hinged door approximately 32"H.

Except for about three occasions in the last three years, the kitties have not entered the room. They were firmly removed from the room and body blocked if they ever showed the least bit of interest -- I don't believe cats cannot be trained, and I treat them as though they are being/are trained. (One of them is very vocal. If she is told off, she always meows back -- which we've variously interpreted as "I wasn't doing anything...." "Oh, alright, nothin' interesting in there anyway." "What?" :lol:)

They have access to other sunny windows, they have pots of wheat and oat grass to eat as well as occasional frozen green beans, lettuce, carrots, zucchini, squash, and cucumbers for treats, and we save part of corn on the cob for them and hold the cob for them while they gnaw the kernels off. :wink:

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So far, so good on the closed door downstairs. They must not mind that room being closed off as much as my regular room upstairs. Now, here's hoping we get some sunshine through that darn window so that my tomato seedlings can grow their true leaves! My zucc's are already well on their way.

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Slim looks like our outdoors/greenhouse cat, Midnite. :) Midnite is very respectful of plants, but not so much warm trays of seedlings trying to sprout. She likes to use them as a bed. Covered those trays with the plastic dome-lids until the plants got up and going, and that seemed to work.
Now she's back to sleeping on the potting bench, and until i moved it outside, the ladder at the back of the greenhouse where all the heat collects.

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