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"Hardening Off" clarification ?'s

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Before we begin....yes I know I am late on my cool weather stuff...lol

Anyway, I wanted to begin hardening some of my cool weather crops...(broccoli, lettuce, kale, etc) and I began this on Saturday. I started off with just a few hours on both Sat and Sun and will steadily increase this week until the next weekend (in which I plan to plant).

My question's are: When I bring them in from outside can I just leave them in my foyer (no artificial light) even though they have been under a heat lamp setup since being started from seedling or do I have to put them back under the light setup until they are ready to go back outside again?

The reason I am asking is because my light setup is in the basement and to haul six or seven containers of plants up and down every day would be a PIA.

I have attached a pic of where I currently place my plants in between outdoor sessions.....

Thanks for your help......

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At this point, weather wise, I wouldn't even bring them back inside for the night. Just put them in shaded location or preferably morning sun location for the rest of the day, and leave them outside for the night so that they're protected from wind and animals.

(They look good :D )

P.S. If you are getting gentle rain like we are today, it's a perfect day to leave them out all day. Just take them out of drip trays so they don't drown. :wink:
I put all my seedlings except basils and hot peppers/eggplants (well, and peanuts and avocados) outside for the day to enjoy the rain. :mrgreen:

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I agree, down to about 40 degrees should be fine for all but the very tender annuals. For them, I would set them in the foyer on any dip below about 45 degrees.

I don't worry about the light for a day or two, but beyond that do move them back under the lights.

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applestar / hendi_alex-

Thanks for the assistance...I left them out yesterday afternoon for about 4-5 hours and then brought them in because it was getting a tad windy. I keep them on my front covered porch.

I will most likely put them out tomorrow morning before leaving for work and try to leave them out all day and maybe even the evening.

I plan on putting them in my raised beds this weekend.....and then on to start "hardening" my warmer weather plants :)

Thanks again!

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what's the lowest nighttime temp you feel comfortable leaving tomato and pepper plants out at night to harden off? I have been taking mine out all day, morning sun, and leaving them out until around 8 PM. highs are mid 60's right now...low's at night are mid 40's.....

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Forecast of 44 degrees is the lowest I'll leave them out if not in a cold frame. They are good down to about 40 degrees, but a 40 degree forecast often means a local dip down to 36-38 degrees and the plants don't like that, wilting significantly by early morning. The plants usually spring back, but I don't like exposing them to under 40 degree temperatures.

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That sounds good to me, too, for tomatoes. I add about 10°F for peppers. I group plants into ones that can go out and stay out with tomatoes and ones that can go out and stay out with peppers. Basil would be grouped with peppers for example.

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hendi_alex wrote:Forecast of 44 degrees is the lowest I'll leave them out if not in a cold frame. They are good down to about 40 degrees, but a 40 degree forecast often means a local dip down to 36-38 degrees and the plants don't like that, wilting significantly by early morning. The plants usually spring back, but I don't like exposing them to under 40 degree temperatures.
I got some wilting with an observed low of 42F. But early in the morning as soon as I noticed it, I added a bit of lukewarm water, and they perked right up within an hour.
Mostly because at the time I thought they wilted because they were too dry, and then later realized it was probably too cold overnight.

This is my first time starting stuff from seeds indoors, so I've made a few mistakes.
One was not realizing my cat would browse on my seedlings when they started getting true leaves. :(

But from my mistakes... my advice is to worry more about "too much sun" than too little light, if the plants are still very young (like only 1 set of true leaves).

I was doing a whole clear out of the porch cleaning, and temporarily moved my plants off the porch & into the afternoon sun, for not very long at all, and several of the small young ones that hadn't been outside more than 2 days, died - clearly from too much sun, it was like they were burnt. (I think it was some petunias.)

I had read that they shouldn't be exposed to direct sunlight when first bringing them outside. However, they were doing fine with getting direct MORNING sun through the window inside, and direct morning sun unfiltered on the porch outside for days... so I hadn't thought it would be a problem.
Clearly there's a difference between: through the window, direct morning sun, and direct early afternoon sun.
I hadn't thought of this before, but I'm now thinking, maybe it has something to do with when the sun is higher in the sky it's going through less atmosphere? And I do believe that light through a window is filtered somehow (in a range our eyes can't see I think.)

I have not used any special heating or lighting equipment in seed starting, it's all been economy seed starting here ;o) ... light through the window from the get go.
When it's rained for a couple of days and mine haven't gotten any sun at all for a couple of days at a time, my seedlings have done fine anyway - just tended to bend toward the window on the cloudy/rainy days, so I rotated them more, cause that's what my MIL told me to do if they were bending.

My take on this is that a day without a lot of light probably wouldn't do enough harm to make it worth carting a bunch of stuff up & down stairs! lol

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I made the same mistakes you did too...some of my tomatoes got sunburnt and is stunted now:( As long as there is sign of new green growth, the local farmer said it will be ok. Some of the bad looking ones are showing signs of recovery. If you search for hardening, I believe there are threads on it. I have received a lot of helpful advice from this forum. IF they get bigger, and you do take them outside, make sure to start in a shady area and slowly increase intensity. be sure to check on them ever so often, if they look sad or stressed out, then you need to go slowly. be sure that they are not dry before taking them out. I am sure the more experienced gardeners will add to this. :) I hope your plants are ok:)

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Oh yes, I did read somewhere that before you put then in any sunlight, they should have particularly moist soil.
This makes sense since the sun would dry the surface of the soil.
But I also read, before you start putting them outside when it's cooler outside, you should cut back on the moisture at first, or maybe even the day before you put them out.
I have no idea how this makes any sense though. But probably because I've been so fastidiously concerned about "over watering" that I just check the soil twice a day & make sure it's "somewhat moist" all the time. I think maybe that "cut back" advice is for people who are dousing their sprouts generously??

Some of my plants have bounced back from seeming VERY unhappy.
In the case of the ones I burnt in the sun, they did not recover, even after watering them and putting them in dappled shade for another 2 days, the ones that looked "burnt", just didn't come back. But I should say they were TINY, with quite tiny true leaves.
Kind of like these:
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(I now have decided not to take them outside until the true leaves are actually the same size or bigger than the first leaves. Just in case. ;))



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