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We will try not to go too deep on you, but this is a book with a lot of deep stuff in it. Plus I have a tendency to complicate things sometimes; F-sensei would probably laugh at me and tell us I was overcomplicating or doing too much, and he'd likely be right. I will do my best to not meander into esoteric verbage or scientific nomenclature...
But I do find that stuff cool
Cynthia, face it, we're geeks...
Fear not late book aquirers! We are starting at the very beginning and picking up speed slowly; we are reading only a wee bit of Sensei's writing and concentrating in the Prefaces and forwards so far. Priming the pump as it were. But get 'em now...
HG
But I do find that stuff cool
Cynthia, face it, we're geeks...
Fear not late book aquirers! We are starting at the very beginning and picking up speed slowly; we are reading only a wee bit of Sensei's writing and concentrating in the Prefaces and forwards so far. Priming the pump as it were. But get 'em now...
HG
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While we had just decided on the Francis Moore Lappe and Wendell Berry prefaces along with the first chapter ("Look at this grain"), most of you with books will have noticed there are two sections I did not mention; an Editor's Introduction and Notes on Translation. I hope you can find some time for these as well; please let them serve as your best introduction to Larry Korn, who will be joining us for the discussion as his time allows.
While not part of the "assigned reading" they give a great oversight of life at F-san's farm and his modus operandi. Insights like these can shed great light on the rest for us, and we are most lucky to be joined by Larry.
Looking forward to tomorrow night; I will post the kickoff at 9:00PM Eastern Time. Looking forward to seeing you all there!
Scott
While not part of the "assigned reading" they give a great oversight of life at F-san's farm and his modus operandi. Insights like these can shed great light on the rest for us, and we are most lucky to be joined by Larry.
Looking forward to tomorrow night; I will post the kickoff at 9:00PM Eastern Time. Looking forward to seeing you all there!
Scott
Don't worry Dixana, no one will be left behind in this discussion although I admit that I, too, had to go to the dictionary a few times while reading HG and Cynthia's discussion. Just stop me if I start posting in Japanese (just kidding). This should be fun. I am looking forward to learning from all of you as well.
It's good for ya!Dixana wrote: Seriously though Cyn and HG, I have had to pull out a dictionary or google something more than once after reading some of your posts
Sometimes the Latin- or Greek-based word really *is* the one needed; sometimes it just feels good to be able to use it after sitting here for the last two months conversing (?) with Vergil the Dog, whose vocabulary is--shall we say?--significantly limited. (Surgery was May 26, so just over two months; def. nine weeks. 
)Even though he's no longer on cage rest/restriction and is on the "exercise/build up those muscles again" program, he's severely deconditioned, and does a lot of lying around while I either do quilt stuff, gardening stuff, or (when I have it) WORK! But I can only say things like, "Doggy wanna go potty?" "Vergil, drink water" or "What a good boy!" (and similar phrases for my girl dog) so many times a day before I need to use 25-cent words, dollar words, and the occasional five-dollar word.
Cynthia
Ya just now figured out that I'm a geek? Hmm... Not only am I a natural reader, but all the leg/neck/migraine "fun" that severely limits my gardening and other outdoor time means that I need to get those jollies by--yep--reading more about gardening...The Helpful Gardener wrote: Cynthia, face it, we're geeks...
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I'm going to contact amazon. I might see if I can get a copy locally, I'll just give the other one as a gift or something 
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Apologies for technical difficulties; all posts are up.
Sorry to hear that some have been unable to get books in a timely fashion, but know we are staying in prefaces and the very first chapter this week, so we will not journey far ahead without you... Our discussions here will focus more on setting up the rest of the book than the contents thereof. Go get your copy and join us...
Scott
Sorry to hear that some have been unable to get books in a timely fashion, but know we are staying in prefaces and the very first chapter this week, so we will not journey far ahead without you... Our discussions here will focus more on setting up the rest of the book than the contents thereof. Go get your copy and join us...
Scott
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Reporting on an exploratory foray into Barnes & Noble in El Cerrito. No copies.
I can also report that the B&N in-store computer system lists TOSR by title and then lists Frances Moore Lappé as the "author." Only down in the description of the book's content does the listing bother to say that she wrote the Introduction and that Fukuoka-sensei was the actual author. Nowhere do they mention a translator, preface, foreword, or anything else. I suggested to the person looking it up for me that listing "Masanobu Fukuoka" as the author would help more people find it, as he really was the author.
The clerk looked very confused. Not encouraging.
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I can also report that the B&N in-store computer system lists TOSR by title and then lists Frances Moore Lappé as the "author." Only down in the description of the book's content does the listing bother to say that she wrote the Introduction and that Fukuoka-sensei was the actual author. Nowhere do they mention a translator, preface, foreword, or anything else. I suggested to the person looking it up for me that listing "Masanobu Fukuoka" as the author would help more people find it, as he really was the author.
The clerk looked very confused. Not encouraging.
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Bought mine at Borders in Waterford, CT. They only had one in stock. Tried to purchase it at local Bay Area independents but they didn't have it. I haven't started reading it yet, but will within the next few days. Seems like enough people are starting it later than sooner that the discussions will be ongoing at different speeds.
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Perhaps we might delay the start of the next section a week?
I would be interested to hear thoughts from everyone on that idea... I think there is plenty to discuss in the sections we have covered already (I'd think weeks of discussion would be conservative...).
Cynthia, thanks for the scouting report; I 'd agree it's less than heartening, but at least it's in the system (although not as pleased to hear it's under Lappe, Francis Moore,
) And they call themselves booksellers...
I would be interested to hear thoughts from everyone on that idea... I think there is plenty to discuss in the sections we have covered already (I'd think weeks of discussion would be conservative...).
Cynthia, thanks for the scouting report; I 'd agree it's less than heartening, but at least it's in the system (although not as pleased to hear it's under Lappe, Francis Moore,
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Today's scouting foray: Black Oak Books in its new location, foot of Carleton @ San Pablo Avenue in Berkeley.
No new copies, no used copies. *sigh*
Although I am loathe to use Amazon (for many reasons), I may have to if I can't find a copy in Davis tomorrow. (Going to Davis for other reasons, but will also look in bookstores.)
Cynthia
No new copies, no used copies. *sigh*
Although I am loathe to use Amazon (for many reasons), I may have to if I can't find a copy in Davis tomorrow. (Going to Davis for other reasons, but will also look in bookstores.)
Cynthia
Scouting foray #3: Avid Reader, Davis, California ( https://www.avidreaderbooks.com/ ) knows what's what. Anyone near Davis--by which I mean within an 80- or so mile radius--hie thyself hither and purchase a copy of the book from them. Call first; I know not how many copies they have.
But their service is nonpareil. The clerk saw me reading the Gardening shelves. He asked whether I was looking for a specific book, and I said yes... He said, "Oh, we have that one in Nature; let me get it for you." And he brought it to me and placed it in my hands!
I tried, really tried, to purchase an additional book or two, but the two that looked most promising--ones with titles like "Small Spaces, Bounteous Yield" or something like that, and "How to Preserve the Harvest: New Recipes for Traditional Vegetables" or something similar--were complete busts.
The "Small Spaces" book considers a 20' x 20' garden to be small! God only knows what the author would think of my 96 square feet, cobbled together here and there from 4'x4' raised beds, random patches, and containers. And the "New Recipes"? What a bunch of...ah...old recipes. If you have canning, pickling, dehydrating, or other preservation instructions you like, use 'em and leave this book where it belongs: on the shelf, gathering dust.
So now I can dispense with worrying about the library's reserved copy of TOSR and read mine own. Maybe tomorrow (if no paying work shows up in my email), I'll have something coherent to say....
Cynthia
Anyone near Davis--by which I mean within an 80- or so mile radius--hie thyself hither and purchase a copy of the book from them. Call first; I know not how many copies they have. But their service is nonpareil. The clerk saw me reading the Gardening shelves. He asked whether I was looking for a specific book, and I said yes... He said, "Oh, we have that one in Nature; let me get it for you." And he brought it to me and placed it in my hands!
I tried, really tried, to purchase an additional book or two, but the two that looked most promising--ones with titles like "Small Spaces, Bounteous Yield" or something like that, and "How to Preserve the Harvest: New Recipes for Traditional Vegetables" or something similar--were complete busts.
The "Small Spaces" book considers a 20' x 20' garden to be small!
God only knows what the author would think of my 96 square feet, cobbled together here and there from 4'x4' raised beds, random patches, and containers. And the "New Recipes"? What a bunch of...ah...old recipes. If you have canning, pickling, dehydrating, or other preservation instructions you like, use 'em and leave this book where it belongs: on the shelf, gathering dust.So now I can dispense with worrying about the library's reserved copy of TOSR and read mine own. Maybe tomorrow (if no paying work shows up in my email), I'll have something coherent to say....
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