I've found very little info, as well as some conflicting information about sizes, but from what I gather Mame is bigger than Shohin. But I can't find anything about pot size.
I think I may need to buy a book, or at least check one out from my bonsai club. There's a lot less info on small trees online, than regular trees, although, probably more info than what's available on my tree.....
I cut hardwood Premna branch, that has been in water for a couple of months now, and it grew some really nice roots!!!!
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Also, a neighbor/friend had a small bonsai pot laying around his garage, and just gave it to me. I like it, I think it's very pretty. Well the inside measures 4½"x3"x2".
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I would really like to use it for the cutting, but it might be too big. Which I'm ok with, it will be able to grow some. and the cutting is probably very much ready to pe placed in soil.
Also, since the pot has a design on it, that's where the aesthetic question comes in... would/should I have to eventually shape the tree like the tree image on the pot?
I also have few questions about the soil for my small tree. My option for mix is: Akadama, Small Cork chips, coconut husk, small lava rock.
I've read that small trees need more organic mix, but I've also seen some in 100% akadama, as well as some mentions of using same soil as you would with larger trees. The tree from which the cutting was taken is in 50/50 mix, and I water it every other day (indoor).
If that pot will not work for this tree I have some gallon nursery pots that can be cut down to be lower.
Svet, I am not fleet of foot. And my trees live overwhelmingly outdoors.
My rusty recollection is mame is smaller than shohin.
Something like: mame= more than one fits in your hand. Shohin= one fits in your hand.
Mame when I wrestled with them needed watering six to ten times per day in the summer.
Mame's needs and my legs, did not a happy match make.
My rusty recollection is mame is smaller than shohin.
Something like: mame= more than one fits in your hand. Shohin= one fits in your hand.
Mame when I wrestled with them needed watering six to ten times per day in the summer.
Mame's needs and my legs, did not a happy match make.
Mame is smaller than Shohin. Generally, Mame is under 6", Shohin 6-12". But I don't think that there are any hard and fast rules there. As far as pot size goes for these smaller trees, there is leeway in the traditional "as deep as the trunk is thick, as wide as the tree is tall" mantras. I don't hold to those anyway as it's a fuzzy area and many trees will look better in pots that don't obey these proportion "rules". If you can take a pic of the cutting in the pot, for proportion purposes, that would give us a much better idea of what you're planning to do. For me, though, that pot would be suitable more for something with largish, showy flowers than Premna hedge. Oh, and when you plant the cutting, tilt the bare root part back and you'll get natural growth of support/buttress roots. The tree can then change angles again on next repot.
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here's the pot and cutting together.
and I do have some REALLY small screens, defiantly smaller than small pieces of various soil mixes, but I'm still unsure about what soil to use.
Robert Steven is the ultimate master when it comes to Premnas and I've seen his tiny tiny trees planted in 100% volcanic sand. so I wonder if I could use just akadama.
either way it's all a learning process, and if I happen to kill this cutting, I have many more (I have had 100% success rate at rooting cuttings in water)
also thanks everyone for your feedback!
here's the pot and cutting together.
and I do have some REALLY small screens, defiantly smaller than small pieces of various soil mixes, but I'm still unsure about what soil to use.
Robert Steven is the ultimate master when it comes to Premnas and I've seen his tiny tiny trees planted in 100% volcanic sand. so I wonder if I could use just akadama.
either way it's all a learning process, and if I happen to kill this cutting, I have many more (I have had 100% success rate at rooting cuttings in water)
also thanks everyone for your feedback!
Okay, pot's definitely too big currently. With your hand in the picture, that also gives size perspective for both the tree and pot. I would consider that pot a shohin pot, and the tree mame. Unless the tree gets at least twice as thick as it is now (which will probably be about an inch, right?), they pot will completely dominate the tree. Honestly, I think I'd like to see the tree 3x as thick, in a sumo slant, to go with that pot. The would put the tree at about 1½" caliper, 9-12" high "finished". If you like the tree at the size it is now, I'd go more with a round, light colored, glazed pot in the 3"x1" range.
Kdodds, judging the size of tree/pot compared to my hand, may not be the best judgement system, I probably have the smallest adult hands ever! I've met teenage girls who have larger hands. lol
I also have another cutting from the same mother tree, that is a bit ticker than the one in the pictures, but it only recently sprouted roots, so it still needs to stay in water for a month or so.
I will post pictures later, and maybe I'll just save that pot for the larger cutting.
I also have another cutting from the same mother tree, that is a bit ticker than the one in the pictures, but it only recently sprouted roots, so it still needs to stay in water for a month or so.
I will post pictures later, and maybe I'll just save that pot for the larger cutting.
Here is the picture of the larger Premna cutting, next to a #2 pencil.
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as you can see it has some roots on it, but not enough yet to plant.
maybe it will be better for that pot?
And for those that don't know, premna is one of the greatest for mame or shohin, since the leaves can be reduced down to 2mm!
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as you can see it has some roots on it, but not enough yet to plant.
maybe it will be better for that pot?
And for those that don't know, premna is one of the greatest for mame or shohin, since the leaves can be reduced down to 2mm!
[img]https://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/16/34/27/70/leaf10.jpg[/img]
Oh well then! I'll just pot both into larger pots and let them grow for a while, Premna's are fast growers anyway. And maybe I'll take one of the cuttings with me, on my trip to Savannah GA next month, and plant it in a friend's yard, and also let it grow for a while!
And I'll just have to find something else to put into that pot!
I really do find shohin and mame bonsai to be VERY nice!
And I'll just have to find something else to put into that pot!
I really do find shohin and mame bonsai to be VERY nice!