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The best places to get seeds

It is that time of year when I start planning next years garden. Although my frig is bulging with seeds already. The catalogs start coming and then I am hooked again and try to squeeze a few more in.

These are the seeds sites/catalogs I buy from the most. Where do you get your seeds from, other than the ones that you save?

TNG Pumpkin Nook Very good prices, and sold by wt not by count in most cases so I get more seed for my money.
Kitazawa seeds- Asian specialties
Johnny's Seeds
Baker Seeds non-gmo, many heirloom seeds
Seeds of Change- organic and many heirloom seeds
Tomato Growers Supply - very good selection of tomato and pepper seeds.
Pepper Gal- home business. Does not have a large selection but does have some seeds I don't find elsewhere and is reasonable. Packaging could use some improvement. It comes in small envelopes with typed seed name but not dated, so I have to remember to write the date on the package when I get them. Except for the catalog, there is no growing information that comes with the seed. So, not a place for beginners.
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I have all of those, plus a bunch of others in my gardening bookmarks - really too many! LOL
Here are some:

https://www.evergreenseeds.com/vegetableseeds.html My absolute favorite source for Asian seeds.
https://www.seedsofindia.com/category/Vegetable-seeds-16 The best source I have found for Indian seeds
https://www.richters.com/newdisplay.cgi ... 3922.16513 Best source for her seeds of plants. Shipping costs aren't bad, even though they are in Canada.
https://www.superseeds.com/vegetables-96.html Pinetree Garden seeds - Discussed on another thread.
https://www.reneesgarden.com/seeds/seeds-hm/seeds.html Great source for seeds for peppers, greens, and many other herbs and vegetables
https://www.ecoseeds.com/ Redwood City Seeds - mostly peppers, but other seeds, as well
https://www.tradewindsfruit.com/ A lot of unusual seeds here, though it's mostly the peppers I've bought.
https://www.mariannasheirloomseeds.com/ Heirloom tomato seeds
https://shop.wildboarfarms.com/ Unusual tomato varieties.
https://www.sampleseeds.com/?page_id=2797 Great source for many types of seeds at great prices.

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I have a feeling that I'll start and have to come back (maybe a couple of times :roll: ) because I've forgotten several ...

I think that seed source depends a lot on how much ground you are planting. It's a little frustrating to be planning on a 50' row of something and discover that the 2 packets I picked up will only plant 15 feet.

The Jung Seed family of catalogs can be found here: https://www.egardenersplace.com/ Missing is their HPS catalog with its larger packets and horticultural supplies: https://www.hpsseed.com/

https://www.stokeseeds.com/ is a good company and I've ordered from them for years. Good growing information in their catalog, including seed count. (More about that important subject later :wink: .)

I have been organizing my 2014 receipts lately and a little surprised that my largest order was from https://www.harrisseeds.com/ Usually, it is from Jung, Stokes or https://www.johnnyseeds.com/ , Imafan mentioned.

Imafan also listed https://www.tomatogrowers.com/ , a good source for tomatoes, peppers, and Imafan left out :), eggplant seed.

If we order hybrids, the seed is probably all coming from one wholesaler no matter what retail catalog we are using. I've had fun with tomatoes! (After last year's windstorm disaster, I'm wondering if I've had too much fun with tomatoes :? .) https://tomatofest.com/ is a great seed resource that I've used.
https://tatianastomatobase.com/wiki/Main_Page is GREAT resource for tomato information! Tatiana also sells seed.

Here is information on vegetable seed count. Remember that there are about 28 mg per ounce. Some seed outfits are helpful, others are not. Here's the University of Maine Extension on Seed Saving/Seed Count/Seed Viability. Scroll down to Table 2.

Saved seed or purchased, viability is important. I have gotten myself somewhat in trouble before by relying on seed too long :roll: .

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Add to the list Sand Hill Preservation.
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I remembered a few more.

TM seeds (Thomson and Morgan) - British company. Excellent seed selection. My bank charges me extra for international exchange. So beware of hidden costs. Good information on their site. If you are not a northern gardener, check out each individual offering. They may not be suitable for warmer zones.
https://www.thompson-morgan.com

Peaceful Valley- organic seeds and farm supplies. They also sell bulk seeds.
https://www.groworganic.com/seeds.html

Southern Exposure Seed Exchange- heirloom seeds
https://www.southernexposure.com/

Sandmountain Herbs- have a good selection of hard to find herbs
https://www.sandmountainherbs.com/
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Imafan - I have ordered seeds from Johnny's Seeds. Because they are in the north east and I am in the deep south I called and discussed varieties of heirloom tomatoes that would be suitable for my region. I wanted indeterminate tomatoes that would do well in my region. They were very helpful. There were some varieties on their web site that I found attractive but they did not recommend them for my region. The woman I spoke to went through her catalog and made specific recommendations. I ordered small packs of 5 different varieties. All but one did well. I really appreciate the time she spent with me on the phone and she never tried to give me a snow job just to sell a product. That is important to me. Good company. Exceptional service.
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The farm I work for buys a lot of organic seeds from Johnny's. They do sell in bulk sizes and pelleted seeds. Their products have been very good, but now some of the seeds are back ordered, like the kale. Green onion seeds are another one, but that may come from the UH extension.

And yes, I have gotten seeds from Harris before. In fact I think I still have some more bean seeds from them. Beans keep for 10 years. I know, I did a germination test on 9 year old seeds and most of them still germinated.
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PaulF wrote:Add to the list Sand Hill Preservation.
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All Farm supply stores and Farmers Co-op are the best places I have found for seeds. They have a very large variety and every quantity for the small gardener to the large gardener. Ebay is a good place to buy seeds too lots of home gardeners selling seeds.

I get a lot of my seeds free from the grocery store. Some people say that is bad but it works great for me. I get all my melon and butter nut squash seeds from the grocery store. Some grocery store seeds just won't grow the vegetable was harvested too soon for the seeds to be mature.

I harvest seeds from my own garden. I throw bad tomatoes in a bucket of water. Squeeze out the seeds into the water, stir well in the water then strain out the seeds and let them dry. Seeds from 3 or 4 bad tomatoes is more than enough for the next few years.

My grandparents use to harvest all their seeds from the garden so I learned to do the same thing to save money. My grandfather made sure to keep enough potatoes from each years crop to plant the following year. He told me he had not bought seed potatoes in 30 years. He always had an excellent harvest of potatoes in the root seller on a 4'x12' wooden table.

Many plants are easy to harvest seeds lets a few plant in each row mature just for seeds. Save the dry green beans you miss when you harvested your beans. Place them in a cloth bag and beat them against a tree. On a windy day pour the beans from the bag to a tarp the light weight stuff blows away the beans are on the tarp.

I live in a 3rd world country called ARIZONA very few places sell seeds and very few people grow a garden. It took me a while to learn how to grow a garden here. My garden does better than many places I ever lived. Best time to plant a garden here is late October and late February.

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Dixondale farms- best place for information. Onions and garlic.
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Okay, the Texan buys garlic from Washington State. The Hawaiian buys onions and garlic from Texas.

:) I will add something :). Buying Walla Walla sweet onion plants from Dixondale in Texas means that I can have bigger sweet onions than I can grow from seed started in my greenhouse. My gardens are about 150 miles north of Walla Walla.

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I buy lots from the local farm garden store. Best prices.
I trade with other gardeners.
I save some.
I sometimes get some specialty seed from Gurney's .
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Actually, the Hawaiian, has a hard time getting onion and garlic sent from anyplace. Most companies will not ship to Hawaii or Alaska. I get my onion seeds, Texas granex variety from the store. They sell wall walla but it won't grow here. The days are not long enough. I get garlic from the grocery store since they sell the soft neck garlic. I do have to find ones that are not treated. I did however learn a lot about growing onions and garlic from Dixondale. Now I know why the elephant garlic and garlic I planted in March one year actually shrank.
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I plant the shoots from store bought green onions. I have a square of green onions that is at least 6 years old. Bulb onions and garlic are a little difficult to grow - so wet. They have to be planted from starts in VERY well drained soil. My favorite additives - onions and garlic.
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I don't want to forget Fedco Seed - but, I did!

They seem to be very conscientious about providing value for the gardener. I have seed packets from which I've planted regularly that are several years old!

I'd like to ask for some of their Moose Tubers :) but it is a long way to pay the shipping.

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Hmmmm...... I usually just go down to the local store, Anderson's Seed and Garden. They buy seed in bulk and just dole you out the amount you want for much less cost than buying packets elsewhere.
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We don't have a lot of farm suppliers here. If you live in a farming community then you have more choices.
On Oahu there are 3 agricultural suppliers, 2 hydroponic stores, 3 farm/pet stores, 3 local seed suppliers, a couple of specialty seed suppliers (sun hemp), and the seed initiative- hard to find unless you belong to that group. Two irrigation outfits, Exacta Sales ( landscaping products and nursery pots), the rest are big box store nurseries. There are a few stand alone plant nurseries that also sell things like fertilizer, insecticides, decorative pavers, stone, and pots. Most of the time the most convenient and better known are the nurseries in the big box stores. Most people don't know about the other agricultural suppliers since they have more commercial accounts and few retail customers. They do not advertise.

The university extensions are a good source of seeds that would benefit the local area. The UH seed lab even sent corn seed to France. The UH #9 and the UH#10 corn seeds are tropical corn varieties that can be grown year round although they will slow a lot in the cold weather. They are short day, tight husk varieties that are resistant to maize mosaic virus. A lot of the temperate corn will only grow in summer and only a few varieties are suitable, like Silver Queen, because they may not be resistant to maize mosaic virus.

I can even order seeds from other University seed programs. Most of them will ship out of state.

Fukuda seed store sells a lot of Asian seeds to the local farm community. If you want to order seeds in bulk from them they do want you to call ahead. The sell small packages of their seed in local stores.

Aloha Aina seeds repackages seed, a lot of them are UH varieties that they sell for a lot more than the UH seed lab. The varieties though are the ones that have been proven to grow well here.

We need to be careful with what Home Depot, Lowes, and Walmart bring in. Some of the seeds like the Walla Walla onions will never bulb up here, and others like the wildflower mixes are potentially invasive. Seeds of plants that do not have nematode or fungal resistance or require minimum cold temperatures are pretty hard to grow here.
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Ha! Fukuda Seed has a website and catalog. They do have quite a few Asian varieties ... good prices.

Email to order .. :)

I've had more than a few frustrating moments at garden centers and, generally, breeze right by the seeds in the big box stores. Mostly, it is the lack of choice. Even in the long garden center racks - 5 companies, each selling Black Beauty eggplant with no other choices Image.

They seem to be getting better. I mean, I can't be the only gardener in the area who has tried Black Beauty, or California Wonder peppers, or Kandy Korn ... and they have failed!

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Lots of great seed sources! I thought no one mentioned Baker's Creek but Imafan did (I think) in the OP.
No one mentioned Territorial Seeds -- have they changed? I don't often buy from them but I do sometimes. I usually try to stick with OP and heirloom varieties and generally like to buy from geographically "local" or "near" and climatically compatible in hopes of closer adaptation to my own garden's growing conditions as well as NOT shipping from the other side of the continent.

...but sometimes if a variety I'm looking for is only available from somewhere far, I convince myself that seeds are not very heavy. I resist the temptation in case of live plants because I won't pay for expedited shipping and they suffer from the extended time spent in shipping.

Oh, what about Horizon Herbs? Also on the west coast but they had some herb seeds that were hard to find (Richter's pepperhead mentioned was the only other -- I didn't think it through, but Richter's may have been closer....)

Another consideration is when buying something that needs to be dug up to plant or that maybe affected by the shipping temperature. Bareroot trees and perennials, seed potatoes, onion plants, also sweet potato slips. Sometimes the ground and weather is colder or warmer depending on their USDA Zone than your own which will affect the condition of the planting material when it's the ideal time to plant in your garden. If being surface/ground shipped, I also wonder about the interim climate conditions along the truck route....
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It is funny that you mentioned buying regionally. I bought some asparagus crowns over twenty years ago from Gurney's when they still sent bareroot asparagus to Hawaii. They sent a letter with the shipment saying they did not know if Asaparagus grown in I think Connecticut would do well in Hawaii.

P.S. Asparagus does fine here but it does need extra summer watering.

Gurney will no longer ship plants to Hawaii and Park Seed charges $20 extra to ship anything to Hawaii.

Fukuda does have an online catalog, but the website is not very sophisticated. They pretty much xeroxed their catalog. Some of the varieties are duplicated and some have the wrong picture attached to the description. But they are very helpful when you call. Do realize that calling Hawaii means you probably have to call late in the day. We are 4-6 hours behind the continental U.S. I have to call at 5 a.m. my time to place catalog orders on the mainland. They do not have a lot of seed in their seed packets, but the bulk prices are much better.

I have visited Territorial seed site before, but I had some problems navigating the site since it is set up a little differently and they did not have enough variety to make it worthwhile for me to place and order. I also do not like to put my credit card online so I almost always phone in my order. Some companies do not allow that option.
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The local Seed and Feed/Nursery Store buys seed in bulk and will sell you the amount you want for a portion of the cost of buying company packaged packets. I don't know what is available in your locality, but look around at seed and garden stores, and farm stores.

For mail order Burpee has been one of my favorites: https://www.burpee.com/
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I used to buy a lot from Burpee, but I shop the seeds and their seeds are expensive and they don't have a lot of seed in the packet. Most of their seed is contracted and repackaged, so I shop around looking for other places that sell seeds where I can get more seed for my money. They did send me the wrong seed and I got an empty packet once, but they made good on their mistakes and sent me other seeds.

Even hand packed seeds get mixed up. I bought Hawaiian pepper seeds from UH and lo and behold there were bitter melon seeds in the packet.

I do agree that when big box stores buy seeds they don't get a lot of variety and they all seem to have the same varieties as the other big box stores.

I did find that Lowe's had way more seeds and varieties of seed than anyone else, but they must do a lot of sales to Latinos because the names were not familiar. I know what calabasa is because it is Filipino for squash, but I have to hope the picture is for what is inside. I have grown Black Beauty eggplant and zucchini. They both did fine. I prefer pintung long or Thai long green eggplant instead for the kind of recipes I use them in. Black Beauty is good for Eggplant parmesan. The biggest problem with mainland seeds is that you really have to know which ones will do locally. Some of them just cannot survive the heat or disease here. The sets of onions and potatoes that they bring in around February or March are very unlikely to do well here.

Some things I can use, amaryllis and gladiolus bulbs are easy landscape plants here. Plant them once and don't worry about them for years to come. Walmart did import Jersey Knight Asparagus, otherwise I would have had a hard time getting any sent. They also imported June bearing strawberries which is a sucker buy since we only have a chance of getting fruit from everbearing strawberries since we have short days. If you buy any live plants from the big box stores you do have to get there early, the staff does not really take care of the plants and the manager decides where the display goes so you have to get there while everything is still relatively fresh.
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Here's a tip if you buy your seeds locally especially from the box stores. If you read the packages most of them said that heat and moisture affects germination. So:

Buy fresh seeds. Look for the dates the seeds should be used by

When you buy seeds, make sure they are located in a temperature controlled part of the store. I prefer to get my seeds that are being stored inside the air conditioned store and not in the garden shop where they are exposed to temperature changes and moisture when they water the plants.

Keep seeds fresh longer by keeping them in the refrigerator or in the freezer.

All seeds will lose viability over time, some faster than others, so try to use the seeds within a couple of years. Dill and beans can keep well 10 years under the right conditons, but most seeds are best used within three to five years. After that they may not be any good.

If you save seeds, make sure they are dried well, labeled with what they are and the date collected. My bad, I end up with mystery seeds when I can't identifiy them and I have no idea how old some of them are. I am getting better at labeling. I learned not to count on labeling the ziploc directly. The writing comes off. So, now I put an avery label on the bag or I put a piece of paper with the name of the cultivar and the date inside the bag.
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also:
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I get most of my seeds from sharing and collecting. I had a pepper seed train show up this week. The first person sent out 20 varieties and 200 of each. The next person can take out 10 seeds and add their own seeds. It got to me on thur. I took out 32 varieties and there were over 100. I share and save tomatoes as well. I like using op's/heirlooms and saving all of my own brassica, lettuce and flowers. I do buy occasional legume and curcubit hybrids for their disease resistance.

I am always willing to share my seed stock. I just ask that you don't sell the seeds or produce from my stock.

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A farm store around here sold seed in bulk for a year or two, but then discontinued the practice. I guess it wasn't lucrative for them, it's probably not enough of a farming community here.

I use some Burpee seeds every year and am usually happy, but this year they goofed up. I chose the same variety of cukes that I've planted for the past 3-4 yrs: Greencrisp burpless hybrid. This year they taste the same, are very good in that regard, but the cukes are growing shorter and fatter, they're supposed to be at least 10 inches long and narrower. This year, only one third to one half as long. In effect then, I'm only getting one third to one half the amount of actual cucumber. Plants are setting the same numbers of fruits. It's somewhat annoying. I haven't contacted them about it yet.

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I save seeds from some things like peppers, sesame, basil, culantro, cilantro, beans, roselle and other plants that are not hybrids. I do not save orchid pods. The bees usually polinate them and I don't know the parent so it is actually something I don't want to happen. Tomatoes, hybrid peppers, kale, parsley, green onions, onions, cucumber, and some flower seeds I do have to buy. The hybrids will not come true from seed, kale and parsley rarely (actually I don't think they have ever) bloomed for me. Green onions do go to seed but I need more seed than they produce and I usually get rid of the onions before they bloom since they are fat and tough by then.

I do trade plants and cuttings and some seeds with friends. I got another really sweet papaya from my neighbor and it is a low bearing tree so I am saving the seeds from it. It is a hybrid but papaya is not that variable. If the fruit is sweet, the progeny usually is also sweet.
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Elizabeth said she liked to get seeds from local sources since they are more likely to have varieties that will do well. That is probably very good advice.

You do have to pay attention when you order from seed catalogs where the seeds were sourced or it the plant will grow in your zone.

In Hawaii Fukuda seed is the local seed source and they get many of their seeds from Japan and China. They have a lot of Asian specialties. Kitazawa seed is a good mail order source for here since they actually carry seeds for Hawaii growers and varieties which we like to grow. Aloha Aina is another seed company, but they repackage a lot of seeds from other sources like the UH. The University of Hawaii has a seed lab that will sell locally adapted seeds to individuals and they also sell in bulk.
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I think Burpee had some QA issues this year. I planted 2 mounds of summer squashes, 1 zucchini and 1 yellow straight neck. What I got was 5 plants of zucchini and 1 plant yellow. So there were zucchini seeds mixed into the yellow squash package. Their Echinacea did horribly. I planted 22 seeds and 4 made it to planting time. The yellow beets didn't germinate well, but the Detroit dark red did fine. No Burpee purchases for me next year.
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Yes, I think you're right Lexus. I forgot to mention that some of those "cukes" came up and turned out to be cantaloupe as well. Something went really wrong there. Maybe a big wind came up and scattered everything!

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https://www.burpee.com/?siteID=fKits46xE ... sA&cid=AFF

Burpee has also been one of my places to get seeds.
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