I picked a beautiful huge head of cauliflower yesterday, took it in the house, washed it off then left it on the counter for about 30 minutes, when I looked at it again I saw millions of aphids all over it. I did not see a single one when I was washing it.
how do I prevent these bugs from getting in my cauliflower because they are a pain to get out, I got most out but I don't think I got them all.
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If you didn't see the aphids until you brought the cauliflower into the kitchen, I'd suggest using the method I do for greens when they have lots of "evidence" of being organically grown:
I soak them in warm water in the sink with a couple of dashes of salt. Critters flee the salt, leaving clean veggies behind, and the warm water opens the pores of the veggies, letting soil be rinsed out.
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I soak them in warm water in the sink with a couple of dashes of salt. Critters flee the salt, leaving clean veggies behind, and the warm water opens the pores of the veggies, letting soil be rinsed out.
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thanks, I'll try that next time. I did soak it in warm water, but no salt, all that did was drown them so all I ended up with was tons of dead aphids that I couldn't remove.
We've been eating broccoli from the garden and I wonder how many aphids we have been eating.
I did read on some websites that banana peels in the garden are supposed to repel them, does anybody know if that is true or only people repeating the same stuff over and over again.
I also read that foil under the plants helps repel aphids because it reflects the light and they don't like the light. I don't think that it would work in this case because there are so many leaves around the cauliflower (same with broccoli). How do the organic gardeners do it???
If I can't prevent them or easily get rid of them then I will have to give up on cauliflower and broccoli
We've been eating broccoli from the garden and I wonder how many aphids we have been eating.
I did read on some websites that banana peels in the garden are supposed to repel them, does anybody know if that is true or only people repeating the same stuff over and over again.
I also read that foil under the plants helps repel aphids because it reflects the light and they don't like the light. I don't think that it would work in this case because there are so many leaves around the cauliflower (same with broccoli). How do the organic gardeners do it???
If I can't prevent them or easily get rid of them then I will have to give up on cauliflower and broccoli
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Caveat: I have *not* actually done this myself so I can't say for sure how well this works.
What I have read is to wrap the cauliflower/broccoli head with a closely woven gauzy material -- I've read of various materials associated with this method: panty hose, tulle, a piece of floating cover, etc. -- and tie it snugly around the base of the stem.
Now, obviously, if you have even one aphid on the plant already, they will simply multiply inside the barrier. In which case, I have read a few articles (not as frequently) that recommend releasing ladybugs inside the enclosure. If you are using the ladybugs, the covering doesn't have to be individual but a single large enclosure for the bed or row. Another option is to buy green lacewing eggs to put inside the enclosure.
As I said, I haven't tried this myself. I *do* wonder how you would get rid of Ladybug or Greenlacewing larvae that would have delved into the inside of the cauliflower or broccoli heads in search of aphids. Adult ladybugs will be more agile and would come scuttling out. Not so sure about the more fragile green lacewings.
Also, if the crop is NOT covered, other aphid predators would have access. You might be much better off planning ahead and planting to attract a lot of beneficial insects.
What I have read is to wrap the cauliflower/broccoli head with a closely woven gauzy material -- I've read of various materials associated with this method: panty hose, tulle, a piece of floating cover, etc. -- and tie it snugly around the base of the stem.
Now, obviously, if you have even one aphid on the plant already, they will simply multiply inside the barrier. In which case, I have read a few articles (not as frequently) that recommend releasing ladybugs inside the enclosure. If you are using the ladybugs, the covering doesn't have to be individual but a single large enclosure for the bed or row. Another option is to buy green lacewing eggs to put inside the enclosure.
As I said, I haven't tried this myself. I *do* wonder how you would get rid of Ladybug or Greenlacewing larvae that would have delved into the inside of the cauliflower or broccoli heads in search of aphids. Adult ladybugs will be more agile and would come scuttling out. Not so sure about the more fragile green lacewings.
Also, if the crop is NOT covered, other aphid predators would have access. You might be much better off planning ahead and planting to attract a lot of beneficial insects.
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actually I bought a package of 1500 ladybugs, kept them in the fridge until dusk, then released them in the garden and by morning only 1 or 2 were left, I even put a large amount of them around the plants that were infested with aphids, they just didn't want to stay, all the aphids are still there.
right now I am experimenting with the bannana thing. My new broccoli I still have not found any aphids on. I am currently leaving my old broccoli plants in hoping that will keep the aphids from going to my other plants, though I know over time they will eventually move.
right now I am experimenting with the bannana thing. My new broccoli I still have not found any aphids on. I am currently leaving my old broccoli plants in hoping that will keep the aphids from going to my other plants, though I know over time they will eventually move.
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I have wiped an entire population of green aphids with Azamax. It works wonders and is all organic. It doesn't smell bad like neem oil.
Azamax just mixes in with water and you spray it on your plant. You can also mix it in your nutrient reservoir and it will make the plant resistant next time. By resistant I mean, if the bugs try to eat the plant, they will eat Azamax and eventually die.
Azamax just mixes in with water and you spray it on your plant. You can also mix it in your nutrient reservoir and it will make the plant resistant next time. By resistant I mean, if the bugs try to eat the plant, they will eat Azamax and eventually die.
In the long term you can try trap cropping-predator ranching. Aphids love nausturtiums and ladybugs love aphids. As long as there is a good supply of food for the predators they will stay around and visit other plants as well. Ladybugs and hoverflies both like to feed on the pollen of Queen Anne's lace =wild carrot (early season) and cosmos (blooms later in the year). those will get them to the garden when aphid pops ar low. There are probably other carrot like plants that would work like flowering cilantro for the early season.
Avoid (or eliminate) the application of chemical nitrogen fertilizer.
It's rarely mentioned, but I have witnessed the negative effects that soluble chemical nitrogen can have on aphid populations. Plants can literally "weep" the excess nitrates through their tissues... which makes for a "field day" for aphids, and a resultant explosion of the aphid population!
Something to think about if you use 10-10-10, 13-13-13, ammonium nitrate, urea, or other similar fertilizer sources.
It's rarely mentioned, but I have witnessed the negative effects that soluble chemical nitrogen can have on aphid populations. Plants can literally "weep" the excess nitrates through their tissues... which makes for a "field day" for aphids, and a resultant explosion of the aphid population!
Something to think about if you use 10-10-10, 13-13-13, ammonium nitrate, urea, or other similar fertilizer sources.
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That's why my suggestion was to trap the ladybugs inside a "cage" WITH the aphids.they just didn't want to stay, all the aphids are still there
It generally works better when the ladybugs come to your garden voluntarily. Conscripted ones may be disoriented or may not be familiar with local aphids, or they have other things on their tiny little minds. They sometimes sell pheromones/bait to entice the ladybugs to stay.
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I'm fairly new, but I had heard somewhere that basil is a good deterrent for bugs to use in your garden. since this seems to be a good thread to post this question.. here goes nothing.
Do you make a liquid mix from basil and spray it as if it is a pesticide? or is it the mere fact of having basil plants in your garden that would deter bugs in your garden? or would this even work? anyone with any info on this topic please chime in .
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Do you make a liquid mix from basil and spray it as if it is a pesticide? or is it the mere fact of having basil plants in your garden that would deter bugs in your garden? or would this even work? anyone with any info on this topic please chime in .
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I read an interesting article the other day about growing crops in the shade. It mentioned using a reflective much like red plastic or aluminum foil to increase light exposure to the plants and increase some of the canopy temperature.
It mentioned, however, that these mulches will deter aphids and I think thrips. I'd try the foil first since for some reason I would think that it would be more annoying to the aphids.
It mentioned, however, that these mulches will deter aphids and I think thrips. I'd try the foil first since for some reason I would think that it would be more annoying to the aphids.
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