Here are pics from today.
Minnesota Midget Cantaloupes
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Gold Star is what has been hit worst by powdery mildew, but more webbing appears everyday on the fruits
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Odd shaped Gold Star
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I had only 2 nice sized honeydews growing and thought it was done growing new fruits with the powdery mildew and all, but I noticed this one a couple of days ago and it is growing still
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Honeydew ripenning
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The one on the pot grows slowly and seems to be lightening up some too
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Here is the Sugar Baby I'm waiting FOREVER to pick lol
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This one is smaller, but darker
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This is the first one to take in about 2 weeks. I doubt it will mature fully and ripen before frost, but I'm gonna let it grow and see what happens
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The plants I started from seed only produced these smaller ones. 4 in all. Disappointed about that.
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The Honey Rock cantaloupes are coming along. They grow a darker green than the Gold Star does. These are still growing and haven't put any webbing on yet
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These plants don't have powdery mildew and are still putting on a few more fruit.
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I've removed a lot of leaves on the right side of the trellis.
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We have produce at work. The 5# sacks of onions you buy are shipped in giant sacks, I take those home. A lot easier than slinging with nylons. Nylons work great on larger fruits though.
That powdery mildew really sucks. I had well over 30 small Gold Stars that stopped growing and some rotted so I just plucked them all off the vines. Everyone around here has PM. Just visited my Grandfather and his garden looks horrible. All of his squash, zucchini, and cucmber plants have PM and his tomato plants have died already. He can't get in there to do all the work he used to, but it still looks worse than I expected. I have other friends around here that have PM on all broadleafed plants, even sunflowers.
Next year if I notice PM I will try the milk and water spray right off the bat. Right now I'm just spraying the Honey Rock plants that haven't gotten PM yet. It never got on my watermelons though. Why is that? And why do some of those leaves have small brown bumbs all over them?
And EG, when do I harvest that watermelon?
That powdery mildew really sucks. I had well over 30 small Gold Stars that stopped growing and some rotted so I just plucked them all off the vines. Everyone around here has PM. Just visited my Grandfather and his garden looks horrible. All of his squash, zucchini, and cucmber plants have PM and his tomato plants have died already. He can't get in there to do all the work he used to, but it still looks worse than I expected. I have other friends around here that have PM on all broadleafed plants, even sunflowers.
Next year if I notice PM I will try the milk and water spray right off the bat. Right now I'm just spraying the Honey Rock plants that haven't gotten PM yet. It never got on my watermelons though. Why is that? And why do some of those leaves have small brown bumbs all over them?
And EG, when do I harvest that watermelon?
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Okay. The watermelon I pollinated with a Q-tip is still the same size as it was two days ago. I think it's done for. The one I pollinated with a paintbrush is growing, though!
I haven't yet been able to try the male flower to female flower on any watermelons; every time I go out there, they are closed, either finished or just starting. I believe there are two out there this morning that should bloom in an hour or two.
I did try it on a pumpkin two days ago. So far, it has done nothing but close the bloom. I'll keep watching it.
On another note, I decided to let two of my primary pumpkin vines attempt to climb the chain link fence, one on each side of the watermelon extension. I started directing them toward it two days ago, but they don't seem to fancy chain link. This is a very, very old fence, and I wonder whether its metal conducts heat better than the new ones. They're just not grabbing it with their tendrils, not yet, anyway. Today will tell.
I HAVE A WATERMELON! That's what matters. If I can get two watermelons and three pumpkins, my life will be complete.
I haven't yet been able to try the male flower to female flower on any watermelons; every time I go out there, they are closed, either finished or just starting. I believe there are two out there this morning that should bloom in an hour or two.
I did try it on a pumpkin two days ago. So far, it has done nothing but close the bloom. I'll keep watching it.
On another note, I decided to let two of my primary pumpkin vines attempt to climb the chain link fence, one on each side of the watermelon extension. I started directing them toward it two days ago, but they don't seem to fancy chain link. This is a very, very old fence, and I wonder whether its metal conducts heat better than the new ones. They're just not grabbing it with their tendrils, not yet, anyway. Today will tell.
I HAVE A WATERMELON! That's what matters. If I can get two watermelons and three pumpkins, my life will be complete.
The baby watermelon that hasn't grown in days is done. I'd pluck it and focus on future female blooms. When I first started to research hand pollination I remember a few times reading not do it before noon. I don't remember why, but I made sure to do mine from 10-11am. Almost everyone I hand pollinated grew, but it doesn't show now that I removed some odd shaped ones and the flooding killed some. So check every morning for open female flowers on your watermelon plant and try the male to female direct approach.
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Thanks, I figured I would show everyone the ups and downs of growing melons and growing melons on a trellis. The only downer is the powdery mildew so far. I'm gonna go out and look at those tendrils EG, but the one I cut open a couple weeks ago had a dry tendril and wasn't ripe. Looks like the watermelon plants are dying today. Leaves covered in brown dots and turning yellow. I may just leave the melons on until the plant dies.
Went to our smalltown farmers market this morning and a guy had sugar babies a lot bigger than mine. I plan on working on my soil for next year and see if it helps.
Went to our smalltown farmers market this morning and a guy had sugar babies a lot bigger than mine. I plan on working on my soil for next year and see if it helps.
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I slung my first watermelon today. Because of its position on the angled trellis, with no way to tie it crossway, I used the other method of slinging: I cut a hole in the toe of a nylon, eased it over the melon, and tied it to the top of the trellis. At the rate of my one watermelon's growth, the hole I cut should be insignificant by the end of the week.
By the way, and odds are high everyone knew this but me, watermelons don't like to grow downwards. Every vine that achieves the summit of my up/down trellis tries to continue growing upward. I suppose it has something to do with equilibrium. I have to tie them down for them to attach themselves. I fear the next big wind; many of them are at a 90 degree angle to Mother Earth. Oh well.
Oh. I quit hand-pollinating pumpkins and watermelons. My success rate for pumpkins was 33%; for watermelons, considerably less. I'm now letting the bees do their own thing
Garden5, I selected the Burpee Fordhook because it is supposed to give Northern gardeners a decent-sized melon. Given our wet, cold June, when all but this one watermelon plant died, this year hasn't given it a chance to prove itself in Wyoming. However, I am definitely going to try it again next year!
Oh. EG? You were right. I pruned. I trained. I cautioned and advised. However, those pumpkins are moving toward the lawn, and I look to see them pounding on my door any day now
By the way, and odds are high everyone knew this but me, watermelons don't like to grow downwards. Every vine that achieves the summit of my up/down trellis tries to continue growing upward. I suppose it has something to do with equilibrium. I have to tie them down for them to attach themselves. I fear the next big wind; many of them are at a 90 degree angle to Mother Earth. Oh well.
Oh. I quit hand-pollinating pumpkins and watermelons. My success rate for pumpkins was 33%; for watermelons, considerably less. I'm now letting the bees do their own thing
Garden5, I selected the Burpee Fordhook because it is supposed to give Northern gardeners a decent-sized melon. Given our wet, cold June, when all but this one watermelon plant died, this year hasn't given it a chance to prove itself in Wyoming. However, I am definitely going to try it again next year!
Oh. EG? You were right. I pruned. I trained. I cautioned and advised. However, those pumpkins are moving toward the lawn, and I look to see them pounding on my door any day now
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Sounds good. Check these pics outengineeredgarden wrote:stella - those pumpkins can certainly take up some real estate, that's for sure....
BP - I'll pick a watermelon today and see if it's ready...I'll try to get a pic of it, too.
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This is the tendril that was closest to the melon. The melon was from behind the vine.
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This is the small watermelon I picked
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I just don't get it?
Found this cicada shell
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A butterfly
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The brown tendril tells you that you are close,engineeredgarden wrote:BP - When the tendril closest to the fruit turns completely brown, it's supposed to be ready.
Look for small brown spots on the stem of the watermelon close to where it attaches to the main vine. I am 100% on this method, and none of my fruits have been over ripe.
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engineeredgarden wrote:MaryDel - I've never heard of doing that before, but will certainly try it out for myself. Thanks for the information!
EG
An old timer at work told me that about 3 weeks ago and I gave it a try. He said wait until you see at least 5 or 6 spots. I even picked one with a curled green tendril that was fully ripe. The spots should be brown and about the size of a pin head.
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Once I got all the seeds out of the red part it was sweet, but nothing special. My biggest one (I'm guessing 11-12 pounds) has to be ready. Two tendrils nearest the stem have been dry for about 2 weeks, but didn't notice brown spots on the stem. I worked the late shift at work today and didn't get home until after dark. I have been known to get in there with a flashlight and or headlamp, but we had a few good downpours today and the skeeters are in swarms it seems so I'll check tomoarrow evening for brown spots on the stem.
Is there anything wrong with waiting til the plant is pretty much dead before harvesting the watermelons? Can it get over ripe or die or anything?
Is there anything wrong with waiting til the plant is pretty much dead before harvesting the watermelons? Can it get over ripe or die or anything?
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BP - yes, a watermelon will rot if you leave it too long. Just my opinion, but I'd pull that melon now....
Here's the 19 lb. watermelon I pulled the other day. It was slightly larger than a basketball, and you can see where one of the knee highs was wrapped around it. BTW, I haven't cut into it yet, but will this week...
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Here's the 19 lb. watermelon I pulled the other day. It was slightly larger than a basketball, and you can see where one of the knee highs was wrapped around it. BTW, I haven't cut into it yet, but will this week...
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If you keep them up, off the ground, your risk of rotting will be lower.engineeredgarden wrote:BP - yes, a watermelon will rot if you leave it too long. Just my opinion, but I'd pull that melon now....
Here's the 19 lb. watermelon I pulled the other day. It was slightly larger than a basketball, and you can see where one of the knee highs was wrapped around it. BTW, I haven't cut into it yet, but will this week...
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I've often wondered if you couldn't get a melon/squash to grow into a weird shape by intentionally restricting its growing space.
For example, I had a cucumber that grew in the hole of a chicken-wire fence and it ended up with a crimp in it
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EG, that is a gorgeous watermelon! The pumpkins took over my bed, and the watermelon plant quit producing in disgust. I still have my one watermelon growing like crazy, though. It will not be a 19-pounder, but I'll bet it's at four or five pounds now.
There's one pumpkin I'll need to sling. I'm not sure how, though, because it's in a tricky upright position underneath the watermelon trellis. I think if I let it get a tad larger, I can use your sling method on it, but I suspect the stem is going to get crunched
There's one pumpkin I'll need to sling. I'm not sure how, though, because it's in a tricky upright position underneath the watermelon trellis. I think if I let it get a tad larger, I can use your sling method on it, but I suspect the stem is going to get crunched
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I took a couple of the kids' old (but clean!) nylon tights from when they were little that have holes in them, tied off each of the legs at the leg opening and cut off the rest, then made two holes just under the elastic waist band on opposite sides of the waist opening and threaded hay strings through the holes.
I slip the melon in the pants part of the tights, then carefully maneuver the hay strings through the vines to a support so I can "slightly" lift the melon higher to relieve the tension on the vines, then tie them off.
I only tried this with a couple of the melons and bushel gourds. They're working out well so far. Only problem is that I can't see them inside so I have to peek in from the top, and with the melons, pull open the waist band and give a sniff (Ha ha, brings back memories.... 
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I slip the melon in the pants part of the tights, then carefully maneuver the hay strings through the vines to a support so I can "slightly" lift the melon higher to relieve the tension on the vines, then tie them off.
I only tried this with a couple of the melons and bushel gourds. They're working out well so far. Only problem is that I can't see them inside so I have to peek in from the top, and with the melons, pull open the waist band and give a sniff
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I might be able to. I'm not sure. You were completely right about these fellows being aggressive--that bed is full.engineeredgarden wrote:Stella - I'm glad you liked my melon. Can you set something under the pumpkin to support it? Like maybe a bucket or blocks of wood? Anything to keep tension off of the stem will work...
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Here's the one I'm most worried about. It's starting to lean a bit today. What happened was that I got bored with pruning, so I let the pumpkin climb the fence to each side of the watermelon. The following photo is of the inside of the bed. If you'll remember, there's a chain link fence behind it, so I can sling it to that.
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Even more troubling is a discovery I made while taking this photo. Another one, right above it and to the right, may have been pollinated this morning. It looks like it could be a good one, but I won't know for sure until tomorrow morning. If so, I'll be up to 16 pumpkins from three plants. Yeesh!
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And, just for fun, here's a photo of my prize: the first pumpkin to be pollinated.
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Any advice would be appreciated. Applestar's tights might work, too, but I can't visualize it
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Did you say what kind these are? I love the yummy butter-yellow skin. 
Of course despite ALL the photos I have taken, I apparently never took even one of those cut-off tights slings.
But I did find this one. The melon (French Charentais 'Edonis') is being supported on a double-strand cradle of its own vines. I've done this before with a Sugar Pie pumpkin.
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I think it's *almost* ready.
Of course despite ALL the photos I have taken, I apparently never took even one of those cut-off tights slings.
But I did find this one. The melon (French Charentais 'Edonis') is being supported on a double-strand cradle of its own vines. I've done this before with a Sugar Pie pumpkin.[img]https://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/applesbucket/Image7835.jpg[/img]
I think it's *almost* ready.
. Perhaps several boxes to allow for increases in overall size while still restricting shape. It just may be possible!-
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Applestar, I'm assuming this melon was pointing upward at one time, so you appear to have allowed the stem to gradually bend toward earth, right?
The pumpkin is the Autumn Gold variety. They start out yellow, which is kind of fun. You can easily tell when it puts on a new female bud!
I suspect this is an excellent starter pumpkin for novices like me. It's not supposed to get very big. Estimates on width range from 7" to 10", perfectly round (supposedly), and a top weight of 15 pounds. It does its own thing and hasn't had any problems (diseases or pests) so far. What I like the most about it, and this may be true of all pumpkins, is the vine grows in joints, first putting out a male flower, then putting out a female flower, and so on down the line. Each male flower joint also has a tertiary vine, which you can pluck off if you want. It's an extremely well organized pumpkin!
The pumpkin is the Autumn Gold variety. They start out yellow, which is kind of fun. You can easily tell when it puts on a new female bud!
I suspect this is an excellent starter pumpkin for novices like me. It's not supposed to get very big. Estimates on width range from 7" to 10", perfectly round (supposedly), and a top weight of 15 pounds. It does its own thing and hasn't had any problems (diseases or pests) so far. What I like the most about it, and this may be true of all pumpkins, is the vine grows in joints, first putting out a male flower, then putting out a female flower, and so on down the line. Each male flower joint also has a tertiary vine, which you can pluck off if you want. It's an extremely well organized pumpkin!
I hear ya about picking the watermelons EG. Most of the leaves have gone brown and even black and I have no idea why? Then there is all the crispy brown leaves on the honeydew and cantaloupe plants and even some of the vines too. I wonder if anything will ever be ripe?
I'm off Thursday and it may be time for the big watermelon to be picked.
All of the time and effort I put in may be a waste due to the damn PM. Screw this whole organic talk, I'm looking into seeds that are not certified organic but resistant to PM for next year.
I'm off Thursday and it may be time for the big watermelon to be picked.
All of the time and effort I put in may be a waste due to the damn PM. Screw this whole organic talk, I'm looking into seeds that are not certified organic but resistant to PM for next year.
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I like getting my seeds from Southern Exposure Seed Exchange because they are located in MY neck of the woods and, according to Sunset, is climatically very similar to my own garden (even though they're further south) so I think can expect reasonably matched adaptation.
For reference, here is [url=https://www.southernexposure.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=WMEL]their Watermelon page[/url].
As you can see, many are described to have disease resistance.
I'm not saying you should get your seeds from here, but I do recommend considering seed nurseries that are close to your own geographic and climatic location.
For another example, I think it makes perfect sense for DoubleDogFarm or anyone else in Pacific Northwest to get their seeds from Territorial Seed Co. which is in Washington State. I like Territorial's selections and I love their catalog, but I refrain from getting their seeds because our climates are as different as can be.
For reference, here is [url=https://www.southernexposure.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=WMEL]their Watermelon page[/url].
As you can see, many are described to have disease resistance.
I'm not saying you should get your seeds from here, but I do recommend considering seed nurseries that are close to your own geographic and climatic location.
For another example, I think it makes perfect sense for DoubleDogFarm or anyone else in Pacific Northwest to get their seeds from Territorial Seed Co. which is in Washington State. I like Territorial's selections and I love their catalog, but I refrain from getting their seeds because our climates are as different as can be.
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We're in luck! One of the melons was ready to pick this morning.
Here it is hanging from the fence.
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It has turned a nice color and , OH!, the aroma! Too bad this isn't Smell-o-Vision
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Detail of the haystring attachment
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This is a volunteer but has all the appearance of Asian melon called 'Tigger' from last year. Highly fragrant, sweet and delicious -- unlike last year, when the fragrance was there but the flesh was watery and unsatisfactory. The on-going drought must have helped to intensify the flavor.
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... and here's my first watermelon! 'Moon and Stars'. I've washed and am drying the cut-off tights sling to use on this one
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Here it is hanging from the fence.
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It has turned a nice color and , OH!, the aroma! Too bad this isn't Smell-o-Vision
[img]https://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/applesbucket/Image7841.jpg[/img]
Detail of the haystring attachment
[img]https://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/applesbucket/Image7843.jpg[/img]
This is a volunteer but has all the appearance of Asian melon called 'Tigger' from last year. Highly fragrant, sweet and delicious -- unlike last year, when the fragrance was there but the flesh was watery and unsatisfactory. The on-going drought must have helped to intensify the flavor.
[img]https://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/applesbucket/Image7850.jpg[/img] [img]https://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/applesbucket/Image7851.jpg[/img]
... and here's my first watermelon! 'Moon and Stars'. I've washed and am drying the cut-off tights sling to use on this one
[img]https://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll272/applesbucket/Image7844.jpg[/img]