OK. I'm the devil. I used Miracle Gro on my starter plants, and give it credit for some great plants.DoubleDogFarm wrote:Miracle Grow. It's not needed for seed starting or potted plants.
Personally, I'm an organic gardener. I use MG potting soil for seed starting and containers where garden soil does not work.
I'm not attacking you. I may get a little carried away at times. I like your style of gardening and the information you share. My thoughts are, why support a company that sells chemical fertilizers. There are plenty of organic seed starting mixes. You don't need to stink up the house sterilizing homemade mixes.I'm sorry if this is not pure enough, I can't see how it does great harm to my soil or the wider environment if my little pots that I start seeds in indoors have MG potting soil in them
Ditto what Rainbow saidrainbowgardener wrote:It's been discussed here a lot already. Here's a few threads to start you out:
Personally, I'm an organic gardener. I use MG potting soil for seed starting and containers where garden soil does not work. But compost balances pH, improves the soil tilth and moisture holding, adds to and feeds the soil biology that ultimately feeds the plants, including microbes, fungi, earthworms and many others, offers a complete source of all micro and trace nutrients in forms plants can use ETC. MG does none of that.
That's water right?? I'm trying to catch on around here. Gardening can be soooo technical.sciencegal wrote:Well, except for a little hydrogen oxide now and then.rainbowgardener wrote:... and never let them see a chemical again!
You can't synthesize a basic element. Nitrogen is nitrogen. You can't synthesize it. My MG tomato food has basic elements or chemical compounds in it. The copper is in the form of copper sulfate. This is the same stuff I feed free choice to my goats in their loose mineral mix. It's the most bioavailable source of copper for them. I don't consider it a "bad" chemical.rainbowgardener wrote:Hydrogen dioxide? Otherwise known as H20?
Of course everything can ultimately be broken down into chemicals/ atoms and molecules. But I'm making a distinction between organic and inorganic chemistry and between naturally occurring substances and synthetics...
Hi GardenJester,GardenJester wrote:Last couple of years I used MG, but this year, I tried out organic methods. I haven't noticed much difference. which lead me to think MG is overrated. But if you have poor soil, MG might indeed make a difference.
Well said !!!petechapman wrote:I try to be as organic as I can...but pragmatic when it comes to pests and stuff.
I use my own compost - we have a horse and a couple of chickens so I am not short of manure! - but I will use chemicals when threatened by the dark side!
Some people can be a bit snobby about organic topics in my view. After all, at least you are out there helping cultivate and make beautiful!. You aren;t concreting the world with patio's and block paving all over the place.
So a bit of balance in my view. As organic as possible supported by a big of pragmatism.
Perhaps you don't understand the scale on which I do seed starting, 500 plants. I went through three of the giant bags of potting soil this winter/spring, the ones that are as tall as I am.... My city lot full of clay, I don't HAVE that much garden dirt lying around loose. Not to mention I don't bring garden dirt in the house without sterilizing it, because it brings bugs and stuff in with it. That would be a ton of dirt to run through my oven, stinking up the house. And of course it doesn't work as well.garden5 wrote:DDF is right, you don't need it for seed-starting. I used regular dirt amended with some organic matter. Like one other poster said, they were not quite as big as the ones in the stores, but once in the ground they catch up fine.
Well if you have been following any of my earlier post, I sell vegetable starts at the Farmer's Market every Saturday. I deliver about 250 plants each time. Mind you, they all don't sell. I have probably have sold some where between 750 and a 1000 plants and the summer is not over.Perhaps you don't understand the scale on which I do seed starting, 500 plants. I went through three of the giant bags of potting soil this winter/spring, the ones that are as tall as I am.... My city lot full of clay, I don't HAVE that much garden dirt lying around loose. Not to mention I don't bring garden dirt in the house without sterilizing it, because it brings bugs and stuff in with it. That would be a ton of dirt to run through my oven, stinking up the house. And of course it doesn't work as well.
Even DDF's suggestion of buy some organic alternative. I would if I could, but I only see them in small expensive bags.
I agree 100%I am a mostly organic garden, in fact I think I can safely say my actual garden/yard is entirely organic. But we do do all have to figure out what works for us and make whatever compromises make it work.
yeah... well... I always offer more than a grain of salt when I talk to the slugs in my garden.DoubleDogFarm wrote:pete,
Don't take me to seriously, like a grain of salt.
I too, like to drown in a pint of beer.although I have always found that slugs like to commit suicide in a buried jam jar full of beer