Arrggh! Neighbor spraying Sevin without notice!

[The Helpful Gardener]

Send the letter. Shoot off a flare. Talk to sympathetic neighbors...

Hang in there...

HG

[Ana]

I used miracle grow once with nothing really happening. This year I'm using and organic fertilizer made of seaweed, the garden smells like fish afterward, but in no time the plants stand taller and stronger. My insecticides are wild birds and myself picking bugs, and some beer if I have snails, flowers do miracles attracting good bugs too. About lawn its mostly weeds so bees are having a blast

[Woolly]

Our family has a 1 1/2 acre market garden which is being on slotted by my surrounding neighbors. I ask them to warm me but they don't think that there is anything to worry about and all that we are getting is the SMELL ( I don't think they were listening in science class about particulates) I do not use chemicals only organic means to fertilize and get rid of pests. They don't think that the smell anyone can smell is harmful. I feel like finding some of the "stuff" and put it in some water and have them drink it because it is just what they are doing to my ground water and my garden that we work SO hard on so we can offer locally raised fresh and organic produce.

Along with everyone else, people here in Montana are so chemical happy.
I know that sounds strong about the water but I am SO sick of being poisoned year after year (I almost ended up int hospital from a reaction to thier spraying this Spring) just so the neighbors can admire their weed free pasture..........I know I know it's my soap box.

[JONA878]

Over here in the UK Sevin has been banned for some years. We used to use it a lot in Horticulture and agriculture and very effective it was.
It was a very effective chemical for thinning fruit down on heavy crop years.
It is though one of those chemicals that are very persistant and along with DDt was doing a lot of damage to the enviroment.

It was for a long time the active chemical used in shampoos that were designed to get rid of hair nits and lice.

Jona.

[Toil]

My grandparents live on the island of Montreal in Quebec. There, organic is the law. All residents are barred from using any synthetic pesticides. Not for lawns, ornamentals, not for houseplants. Period.

Wouldn't that be nice? Hello, police? My neighbor is trying to commit suicide and take me with him!

Here's another thought: the dog whisperer guy is changing my dogs by educating me. How about a neighbor whisperer show?

[The Helpful Gardener]

Toil, that is all do to the work of one woman, [url=https://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/09/who-is-june-irwin/]Dr. June Irwin[/url].

My good friend Paul Tukey tells her story in his new movie, [url=https://pfzmedia.com/]A Chemical Reaction[/url]

And toil you might want to [url=https://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2010/01/save-the-date-hartford-march-7/]save Mar. 7th[/url] to see it...

But don't count the chemical companies out yet. They will lie, cheat and yep,[url=https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/greenpage/environment/81382937.html]lawyer up[/url]for the privledge of poisoning you...

It'll be an even harder fight here. But the truth is the truth. Can't fight off the truth forever, chemical guys...


HG

[Toil]

I forgot to mention: all the yards on their block look great. Same deal at my uncles place. They claim to miss the chemicals and some smuggle them, but really it looks great.


Thanks for the heads up hg, I will look for a place that is screening the film. You think I'll have to go to NYC? I may just wait to order.

[The Helpful Gardener]

Did you look at the Mar. 7th link, toil?

Waddaya want, an ingraved invitation?

HG

[Toil]

Lol sorry I didn't realize I could just click on it.

Blame the iPhone? There I was thinking "why is he highlighting things in blue?", as if I had not seen my first hyperlink as a teenager.

(forehead slap)

[731greener101]

I grow organically and by looking at the neighbors yards there is more roundup used in their yards than should be permissible.I dislike weed eating as much as the next guy,but this is crazy.Luckily on one side the house is empty.I was hoping because cows inhabit behind me and on the other side that I would be somewhat poison safe.Last week I am cleaning the fence row border(does not even belong to me and I see the owner spraying everything in sight.Thank God the wind was blowing in he right direction to keep the poison away from me.Two days later I am on the back deck drinking coffee(6 in the A.M.)and I smell the poison in the air.I look for the source and the neighbor three doors down comes around the corner of his house wearing a spray backpack contraption and I swear it looked like he was shooting a stream of roundup twenty feet.So far no visible damage to my garden but I will wash all product before I eat it.Greener

[firstimegardener]

About a month ago, I started smelling something that smelled "sweet". I'd smelled it before, but couldn't place it in my mind. The next day, the weeds right on my property line were brown....so was part of MY tree from them just not being careful...they had used roundup. I was so very mad that I wanted to go over and give a piece of my mind...but I didn't

I don't really care what you use on your yard...it's your yard and although I might not agree with you putting poison on it, it is a free country and I can't stop you...
but keep your poison out of MY yard...and if they would have used vinegar (they don't want ANYTHING there) it would have at least NOT affected my plants!

[vermontkingdom]

Although I do not use pesticides myself I accept the fact that some people feel they need to. What bothers me this year is the constant advertising for the product Seven. I've heard a huge number of ads for it on the radio with the announcer telling us it kills over 100 detrimental insects. There is no mention of any downsides to its use. I'm sure some people buy and use the stuff without really considering what negative effects it may have on their immediate and larger communities.

[buddy110]

I am battling Japanese beetles right now.. I have tried insecticidal soaps with no success. I have resorted to using sevin. I too am using more organic solutions but sometimes you just have to resort to those nasty chemicals.

Next year, I'm going to buy traps and hopefully eliminate use of all chemicals. I have used much much less this year than in previous years.

As for "curb appeal" I really don't worry about that. I just hate seeing all my hard work go for naught. This year my garden supplier did find some organic stuff for beetles. Unfortunately it was too late by then. I'll try it next year.

Update

The last two years I have successfully whooped the beetle problem with neem oil and traps.. 100% organic!

[shadylane]

My thoughts on the use of lawn and garden chemicals...I've been ignorant for years about them.
I'm am so thankful that I am able to be taught and havn't been completely pronounced chemically brain dead.
I'ved used Sevin in the garden thinking as I was told, "it's safe". The company that produce and sell the theory of beautiful lawns, luscious gardens only have one interest, money.
The truth is out there, and I thank those involved in announcing it.

I

[OrganicGardener123]

I understand your concern. I have an organic garden and I would not be too happy if my next door neighbor were using chemicals to deal with caterpillars. I'm sure there must be a better way to deal caterpillars then using Seven.

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[triumphman]

We woke one morning to an awful toxic smell. Our lovely adjacent property owners (I refuse to classify them as neighbors) hired a contractor to spray some poisons on his lawn! Our house was unbearable! I called the police and hazardous materials hot line. They came, I escorted them around (I had to wear a resperator mask) . They finally concluded the smell was from the adjacent property! We had to open all our windows and put fans on to get the smell out! I wrote a letter to the lovely person next door and placed it in his mailbox! He never replied. Jerk! I guess its best we never met ! This has been the 4th owner in that house. Each on has caused some problem or other. Poisons, noise, cutting my trees, taking my rocks off my wall, rockets on my roof, dogs barking,trumpet practice on their back deck, psychotic autistic daughter crying constantly outdoors , etc... He has an ASTRO TURF lawn. No weeds. Ever! He cuts it every week, even in the rain! He is a lawn psycho! He even bought a $20 thousand dollar, professional mower to boot! He has no clue that those chemicals are going into his well water! He is poisoning everyone too! All the idiots who live behind me do the same! They are clueless! But their lawns are perfect! What they are ingesting is poison! They don't care! Now he is trying to sell his house in this bad market! Duh! I think he lost his job and the bank said get out! Yea!

[Gary350]

I don't like to put chemicals on my garden unless I have to.

I bought some Sevin dust last week, something is eating the NEW leaves on the Plum tree and something is eating all the NEW leaves on 1 of the flowers in the front yard. So far so good.

My grandparents used Sevin dust, my 90 yr old father used it and I sometimes use it. It contains chemicals I can not spell or pronounce. I almost never us it in my garden, if I do I wash the produce with plenty of water.

[gunsmokex]

We woke one morning to an awful toxic smell. Our lovely adjacent property owners (I refuse to classify them as neighbors) hired a contractor to spray some poisons on his lawn! Our house was unbearable! I called the police and hazardous materials hot line. They came, I escorted them around (I had to wear a resperator mask) . They finally concluded the smell was from the adjacent property! We had to open all our windows and put fans on to get the smell out! I wrote a letter to the lovely person next door and placed it in his mailbox! He never replied. Jerk! I guess its best we never met ! This has been the 4th owner in that house. Each on has caused some problem or other. Poisons, noise, cutting my trees, taking my rocks off my wall, rockets on my roof, dogs barking,trumpet practice on their back deck, psychotic autistic daughter crying constantly outdoors , etc... He has an ASTRO TURF lawn. No weeds. Ever! He cuts it every week, even in the rain! He is a lawn psycho! He even bought a $20 thousand dollar, professional mower to boot! He has no clue that those chemicals are going into his well water! He is poisoning everyone too! All the idiots who live behind me do the same! They are clueless! But their lawns are perfect! What they are ingesting is poison! They don't care! Now he is trying to sell his house in this bad market! Duh! I think he lost his job and the bank said get out! Yea!

Hmm your neighbor doesn't look like this guy does he?

[vegetablesteve]

yes, it's really difficult to persuade people that are used to chemicals to try it the natural way. I'm happy that my neighbours don't use any chemicals. I think if some neighbor would. I'd move.
The former place I lived, I also had beehives, we arrived in January and in april (we lived amongst farmers) one of the farmers started spraying, next day three of the four hives were dead. So, 3 months later we found another place and we moved.

greets,

[MB3]

[quotei]Carbaryl is often produced using methyl isocyanate (MIC) as an intermediary. A leak of MIC used in the production of carbaryl caused the Bhopal disaster, the largest industrial accident in history. This accident caused around 11,000 deaths and over 500,000 injuries.[/quote]

as my partner points out, this is worse than probably every meth lab explosion and meth-related chemical contamination EVER, COMBINED, and yet carbaryl is completely legal in the US, sold in droves.
I guess if Monsanto and Bayer wanted to sell meth as a trademarked pesticide, perhaps we could buy gallons of it at walmart.

[JONA878]

Thank goodness the wretched stuff is banned over this side of the pond. Any food tested as contaminated would bring the house down around a growers ears. It's such a persistent chemical that even small traces will remain detectable for some time in the plant and the soil.

[imafan26]

I haven't used sevin in years. I used to use it a lot. It was less problematic and did not smell nearly as bad as malathion. But, since I have decided to let nature take care of things. I actually have fewer problems. There are some plants that I do use chemicals on. They are ornamentals and in the front yard. Roses and hibiscus don't fend well for themselves. But I am trying to limit chemicals even there unless the problem is severe and I try to use less persistant solutions.

[applestar]

In case these links were not mentioned earlier:

Here's a couple articles about the Sevin:

https://www.dontspraycalifornia.org/carbarylog.htm

https://www.healthyworld.org/sevin.html

In the second one it mentions that as well as being harmful to humans, to the environment, to all the aquatic life in the rivers and streams (once it washes off your plants into the soil and water table), to all the beneficial insects that would otherwise be protecting your plants and pollinating the, the Sevin is also harmful to your plants.

[tomf]

To add to what MB3 said.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_isocyanate

I manage my land for my health and that of the wildlife on it, so this sort of thing is a NO NO!!!!!!!

[Gary350]

Neighbors can be a problem one day we came home from work to find our nice green garden was solid white. Tomatoes had just started getting ripe and all our nice red ripe tomatoes were covered with white paint. The neighbor sprayed the wooden fence around the yard the paint blew into our garden and everything was white. My wife was so mad she went off on the neighbor. Neighbor acted like we were crazy for planting a garden they said, " WHY would anyone grow a garden when you can buy vegetables at any grocery store." We picked all the vegetables and threw them at their house, cars, roof, back porch and into their swimming pool and they never complained about it.

[Mark805]

There are safer chemicals. Everyone needs to just chill and stop believing EVERYTHING they read that someone posts online. I read someone's post saying the world is flat and that nazi Germany was collaborating with aliens. If humans were as fragile as everyone seems to suspect we are then our species would have gone extinct long ago.

[Gary350]

My parents, grandparents, & relatives all used Sevin in their garden 60 yrs so I assumed it was safe to use because no one ever got sick or got cancer from it. When I started gardening 45 yrs ago I used Sevin too for a while there was no internet back then it was not easy to learn how dangerous this stuff is. I bought some Sevin dust about 8 years ago I used some in a small tree full of bag worms but I did not use very much, worms did not die. I put Sevin on 1 squash plant then I decided that was a mistake. I have the Sevin dust sealed up inside a glass jars with a lid I have been keeping it in the garage for 8 years. I am afraid to use it and afraid to throw it away.

40 years ago I put lots of other peoples tree leaves in my garden but not anymore. I don't trust other peoples leaves or grass I don't want that any where near my garden.

[rainbowgardener]

While some of this stuff can be/ is toxic to humans, for many of them the danger is mostly through repeated chronic exposure as in agricultural workers. That would be enough for me to not want it around, because I hate to think of people dying in order to harvest my food. But the main danger is to the environment and the eco-system. Most of the chemicals people use in their yard are toxic to honey bees (AND native bees). Have you noticed the decline in bees? Most of them are toxic to aquatic organisms once they leach into the waterways. Many of them are toxic to birds. The ones that aren't are still harmful to birds because they destroy the plant and insect life upon which the birds depend. Etc.

There are better ways to garden AND farm. In fact farmers are using more and more herbicides and pesticides for less and less benefit. "It is estimated that more of the US food supply (37%) is lost to pests now than in the 1940's (31%) Total crop losses from insects alone have nearly doubled in that time (7% to 13%)." From Pesticides: A Toxic Time Bomb in Our Midst
By Marvin J. Levine The 1940's is when modern pesticides were developed, many as a result of development of chemical warfare in WWII. That is despite the fact that we are now putting one BILLION pounds of pesticides a year on our crops. The problem is that insects and weeds rapidly develop resistance to pesticides and herbicides. And ironically, the more the pesticides are used (more frequently, over greater areas), the more rapidly the resistance develops. So we are addictively using more and more and using them in combination.

Herbivorous insects cannot develop resistance to predatory insects and birds and lizards and other creatures that eat them. Nature's way always works better in the long run.