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A Window on a Winter Landscape, with a Book

Does someone have an idea for a winter time novel?

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"Fiction is history, human history, or it is nothing. But it is also more than that; it stands on firmer ground, being based on the reality of forms and the observation of social phenomena, whereas history is based on documents, and the reading of print and handwriting — on second-hand impression. Thus fiction is nearer truth. But let that pass. A historian may be an artist too, and a novelist is a historian, the preserver, the keeper, the expounder, of human experience." ~ Joseph Conrad

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I love book suggestions, but it would help if you give us some more specifications - science fiction, historical fiction, ethnic fiction, mystery, action/adventure, eco-fiction, etc... uplift, inspirational, happy endings, utopian fiction, dystopian fiction.

But I'll throw one out to start with: Flight Behavior, Barbara Kingsolver (one of my favorite authors). It would fall in the category of eco fiction, with a theme about what is going on in our planet now. But it is also a beautiful and beautifully written story about one woman's development out of ignorance.

"All sorts of “crazy wanting,” both prosaic and earth-shattering, are shot through the intricate tapestry of Barbara Kingsolver’s majestic and brave new novel, “Flight Behavior.” Her subject is both intimate and enormous, centered on one woman, one family, one small town no one has ever heard of — until Dellarobia [main character] stumbles into a life-altering journey of conscience. How do we live, Kingsolver asks, and with what consequences, as we hurtle toward the abyss in these times of epic planetary transformation? " NY Times Review of Books https://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/books ... .html?_r=0

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Thanks, Rainbowgardener!

You are right in the ballpark. I read a couple of the books that won or were nominated for Ms Kingsolver's Bellwether Prize for fiction. Works that are socially engaged, as they put it :). It looks like there is no list of those nominated this time around.

I have to admit that I would need to check Wikipedia for the definitions of half the fiction genre names you suggest. I must be reading only 1 or 2 novels a year, in recent decades. My reading of popular works was always a good 10 years behind the times and I became dismayed at the dark and often apocalyptic turn that science fiction took about 25 years ago. And, fantasy was never really my thing ...

Historical is fine, although I have long read the histories that Mr Conrad would see as far from actual human experience and truth. Socially engaged - yes. I would very much like to think that wrongs can be made right, especially where I have experienced them personally.

I spent a few hours today reading lyrics from songs written in the 60's and 70's. I finally had to put that aside. Fifty years isn't very long in human history. I wish we would have been more enlightened then and would have come a little further by now. I am hoping for something a little uplifting to read, as our year slides into winter.

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Even if I did recommend something, you may not like what I recommend. Someone recommended a book to me, he said it was a fantastic read, so I read it, but I did not like it at all. The book was 'The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo'. And I do see it on the best seller lists but it just wasn't the right book for me. I look for good books to read by scanning the Pulitzer prize winners list or book recommendation lists on Amazon. Sometimes I like to read non-fiction and am going to pick up a recently published book called "The Witches", which is a thoroughly researched historical documentary about the Salem witchcraft trials.
Barbara Kingsolver is indeed a good author so I'm sure that you can't go wrong with rainbow's suggestion.

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The reviews on Amazon are not all that good for "The Witches".

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I want to read the Earth's Children series by Jean M. Auel sometime. "The Clan of the Cave Bear", "The Valley of Horses". "The Mammoth Hunters" etc. These are all my kind of books -pre-historical fiction. I read part of the first book and it was hard to put down.

Barbara Kingsolver has published a number of good books that have been on my to-read list for a while. "The Poisonwood Bible" is one of her books that looks good to me.

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Yes, Kingsolver ~ if you have not read The Poisonwood Bible, it is her swan song, if you ask me. My favorite book this year was All The Light We Cannot See by Anthony Doerr.
Speaking of Swan Song, the book of the same name by Robert McCammon is pretty good post-apocalyptic science fiction. While I have been "off" on this genre too, this one is The Stand (King) and then some.
I read maybe 60-70 novels a year, with ratings from one to four stars ~ still looking for that five-star gem.

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I wonder what Conrad would think of Paleolithic fiction. Prehistory might rest beyond his notions of human experience and truth. Still, we aren't thinking of going back to Lucy and the Pleistocene.

Kingsolver's "The Poisonwood Bible" - I have very mixed thinking about missionary endeavors as a descendant of both a Native American family and an Anabaptist one, including a circuit riding minister. I was academically trained in anthropology, although I went back from the university to agriculture. My heritage here on the border dates to 19th century homesteaders. Probably all of that reflects some of the conflicts in my perspective.

No, I don't expect a novel that captures much of my family history. As I was saying, even my personal history isn't necessarily uplifting, as winter darkness wraps up 2015.

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Oh! "All The Light We Cannot See!" How could that have a more appealing name!?

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I liked Clan of the Cave Bear ok. After that I think the series gets increasingly repetitious and mechanical as Ayla invents all of human culture single handedly.

I'll just give you some more of my favorite authors: Jane Rule wrote a lot of very good fiction about lesbians (most so-called "lesbian fiction" is trashy). But the one I would recommend for you is called "Memory Board." The central characters are a lesbian couple, but that is not the point, they just happen to be lesbians and the book could have been a lot the same if they were a straight couple. The point is that they are older and one of them has some kind of dementia (never labelled Alzheimer's, but it could be). The book is about how they cope with that and how their loving and positive ways of coping strengthen the whole family around them.

Marge Piercy is one of my favorite poets. But she also writes novels and essays. One of her most powerful novels is "Woman on the Edge of Time." It is simultaneously a dystopian novel of how bad things could get if we stay on the course we are on (and it was written in 1976, so she was pretty prescient) and a utopian novel showing a lovely picture of different ways of doing things.

Jean Hegland, "Into the Forest." is one of those novels of survival after the collapse of civilization as we know it. But it is not grim. Very little is even said about how/why things collapse. It is the story of one family coping when electricity and everything depending on it goes away. It avoids the common cliches of this genre. There is no sudden and dramatic change in the lives of the two young main characters. There isn't an immediate awareness on the part of the community that something awful and terrifying is occurring. People don't suddenly go berserk. Marauding gangs of psychopaths don't appear out of nowhere to prey upon the vulnerability of their fellow citizens. Every character, every behavior, every reaction is believable and easily explained within the context of known human behavior. Everyone initially clings desperately to the belief that things haven't really changed, that the situation isn't that bad, that tomorrow, things will all return to normal. It's just a matter of holding on and continuing with their daily routines. And it is an uplifting story of love and courage.

Hegland also wrote "Windfalls." This is chick-lit of the highest sort, the story of two different women in very different circumstances as they cope with unplanned pregnancies and how their choices play out in their lives. Beautifully written, full of courage and emotion and hope. I would be interested to see if it would mean as much to a male reader.

For historical fiction, I recommend two different WWII novels: "Sarah's Key" by Tatiana de Rosnay. It is about WWII and what happened to the Jews, but focusing on occupied France. It shows some about the horror of the camps from a child's point of view, but interwoven with a modern woman in Paris trying to re-discover the history. And Marge Piercy again: "Gone to Soldiers." This is a huge novel, showing the war from a bunch of different perspectives, including the women left behind as their men go to war. Parts of it are in the camps and are intense, not at all light reading, but an amazing job of making the whole story come to life, not just the parts of it we already know.

In my eco-fiction category I have Margaret Atwood's MaddAddam trilogy, "Oryx and Crake," "Year of the Flood," and "MaddAddam" and Linda Hogan "Solar Storms." The MaddAddam books are more post apocalypse, but "Solar Storms" is about right now, told from the view of Native American characters. Very poignant, but again not light reading.

For something just fun there's "A Walk in the Woods." by Bill Bryson, now out as a movie which I haven't seen. The book is not actually a novel, but reads like one. It's the story of Bryson's attempt to walk the Appalachian trail. It is very nice about what the Appalachian Trail is like, but also hilariously funny.

I could go on and on.... Can you tell I love books and usually read one or two novels a week? :)

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My favorite non-fiction book is "Man and His Symbols" by Carl Jung. I read it a long time ago. I want to read it again. Jung's work is rooted in anthropology. I refer to it as anthropological psychology. I also have conflicts in my perspective based on my religious upbringing. Even in our efforts to do what we believe to be good, we make lots of mistakes. Carl Jung has a way of ironing things out for me. I am an engineer, but I could have been an anthropologist. I find the subject fascinating. Carl Jung up a whole new world for me. All of Jung's books are on my to-read list. "Man and His Symbols" is easier to read than the rest of his books.

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Engineering makes a little more sense than driving circles in a field, BirdLover. Probably more fun than pipe fitting in a range of greenhouses, too.

Do these Native Americans live in Hogans? Kidding! It's perfectly okay if they live in Linda Hogan's imagination. I'll be checking on that novel of "eco-fiction" :).

KeeWee suggested a Pulitzer Prize winner, BirdLover! All The Light We Cannot See by Anthony Doerr is set in France during WW2, RainbowGardener. Here's a problem: the author lives in Boise! Yeah, seems that everyone here has a big jump on me. Dozens would be ahead of me to borrow a library copy!

KeeWee from Kentucky West has to clue me on this guy and that book !!

It's okay. I can get an ebook of his short stories, I thought, immediately. Maybe it's just because it's Sunday that Overdrive still hasn't come through for me. It's okay for me to start with some of his short stories. (I already read 1, found from another source ;).) It's also okay for me to start with short stories with someone I'm not familiar with. That's what I did last year with AppleStar's suggestion of Connie Willis.

Thank you everyone. More ideas & discussions are welcome. I have a couple books to choose from this winter! I may even get to All The Light We Cannot See by Boise's Anthony Doerr.

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"All The Light . . ." sounds like a great book to cuddle up with while winter weather works on getting you perrennials ready for spring. I'd like to read it sometime myself. Please let us know about the book when you're done. Pulitzer Prize winners are always good but they don't always work for me. Some are too dark or too creepy for my taste. Joyce Carol Oates is an excellent writer, and I did read some of her short stories, and yes they are good, but I had to stop because some of the stories were too violent, about psychologically twisted people. I get enough of that by reading the news. Uplifting is what I prefer.

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It might be a tough read also, BirdLover. The war setting makes me think so. I read Wikipedia and a review.

One of the characters is a blind girl. Most of us give little thought to what we call disability. I suppose that puts some on the defensive to say that and makes it sound like I have some profound insights. But, I don't. Despite a lifetime of being a hard of hearing person and crippled by rheumatoid arthritis, I'm still just talking through my hat.

Words are important, though. It's difficult to generalize since we have individual experiences and interpret the world around us differently. Wasn't that what Carl Jung was talking about?

What I suppose is very helpful is work with lots of character development. I can assure you that disabled people don't all have the same way of thinking about themselves, others, and their environments even if they have common experiences. And then, there is the wider community ... Just getting a window open onto a somewhat different world once in awhile is important. With so much happening around us, it's quite a bit to ask.

I was reading about a study on kids who struggle with math and those that don't. Actually, the struggle is important to brain development. It's important to both groups! I'm willing to struggle a little ...

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Well, WWII is just the backdrop, so you should be okay. The description of the story sounds really good.
Yes, Jung said that each of us is unique. No two people have the same life experience. Even people raised in the same family are very different from each other. We don't know who we are. Life shapes us.

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'Olive Kitteridge" by Elizabeth Strout looks like a good book. Pultzer Prize winner, short stories that tie together, they even turned it into an HBO miniseries. Isn't that what every author hopes for? I haven't seen the series, but I'm thinking about reading the book. I've had my sights on this book for a while. So why is it taking me so long?
I wonder what the future holds for printed books. I can't imagine a world without books.

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Let me just say that I love this ~ the recommendations and ALL the thoughts on different types of books and why we read them.
The comments on All The Light are all correct ~ what more can I add? If it makes sense, this is one of those books that "paints a picture". I carried it around in my head for days after finishing it. Now, mind you ~ I tried to read another one of this author's books (About Grace) and I could not engage at all. So, there ya go.

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Mentioning disability reminded me of another favorite author, who almost specializes in getting inside the head of people with disabilities and letting you experience their world -- Joanne Greenberg (aka Hannah Green). She wrote "I Never Promised You a Rose Garden." It is the story of a schizophrenic girl and her recovery. This was published in 1964 (and never out of print, which should tell you something) and set in WWII times (but the war is far in the background here, not really part of the story very much), prior to any of our current psychiatric meds, when we still actually did long term intensive therapy with with psychotic people. It is moving and beautiful.

The same author also wrote "In this Sign." It starts out in the Great Depression as the story of a young deaf couple and continues on as they have a (hearing) child and what the child's experience is like and eventually even a little bit in to the experience of the grandchild. It is beautifully written, It shows a lot of how the world changes through those years. But ultimately it is a story of family, love, courage. Her characters are very real and alive and grow and develop through the novel.

Then she wrote "Of Such Small Differences" where the protagonist whose viewpoint it is written from is deaf AND blind. It is definitely not her best work, but the challenge of being hearing-sighted author and writing from inside a deaf-blind person's head is just amazing and she does it well. But as in the real world, she couldn't find any happy ending for this one.

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I found a good book that I want to read right here on this website. Right up my alley.


https://www.appropedia.org/images/d/d3/Onestraw.pdf

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If you like American history I would suggest Allan Eckert's narratives of America series. Although A Sorrow In Our Hearts is a long difficult read, I've been trying to finish it for a few years now. Very well researched and very well written books. It was a loss to history when Eckert passed away.

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KeyWee on Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:20 am said, "... All The Light ... is one of those books that 'paints a picture'. I carried it around in my head for days after finishing it. . ."

I picked up the book of short stories by Doerr. Finished one and I'm pleased!

Memory Wall is, not surprisingly, supposed to have something to do with memory ... I didn't start with that one, I've forgotten why ;).

Allen Eckert is an historian with an interest in wildlife?! The setting of some of his writings looks like it's a location where my rather casual genealogical exploration has taken me. My grandmother showed up as a part of an Idaho homesteading family in the 19th century. Her grandfather Charles qualified for the homestead because of his military service and he arrived with his youngest child and his grown son and that son's young family, including the little girl who grew up to be my grandmother :).

Charles' grandfather was also part of that western migration but his frontier was across the Ohio River. There is a township in Indiana named for the family. His father was with George Rogers Clark but, other than location in Kentucky, I'm clueless as to what he was up.

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Eckert's historical books have an index in the back. If a certain person is mentioned in his book there will be an entry for them in the index. My grandma was surprised to find one of our ancestors was mentioned in the books.



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