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Charlie MV wrote:I hope somebody somewhere is proud of me for staying out of this.
Well cuz, as a distant relative (don't get me started on evolution) I am mighty proud of you. :D

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Here is a web link which partially verifies the relationship between excessive atmospheric co2 and global climate change.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-heat-was-on-atmospheric

The study pinpoints a pre-historic event during which high co2 and climate change coincided. What it doesn't indicate is the level of co2 required to initiate the change or the origin of the co2. Since humans didn't exist during the period, we couldn't have caused it. It still leaves the question of "is fluctuating atmospheric co2 levels a normal, long term; cyclic event?" open.

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If one goes out in a row boat and there are waves do you rock the boat more and when it swamps say the waves were natural or do you try to stay afloat?

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tomf wrote:If one goes out in a row boat and there are waves do you rock the boat more and when it swamps say the waves were natural or do you try to stay afloat?
Good point Tom.

I think since I can't control the wind making the waves, I would try to keep the boat afloat.

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I felt the problem with the CO2 treaty is that the so called 3rd world nations were not held to it, why just move the problem there.

China puts a little over 22% of the man made CO2 in to the air and they are the number one producers in the world.
The US with as you said only 300 million people puts about 19.9% and we are the second largest producers. But we also consume a lot of goods from China.
India puts out 5.5% to be the third producer of CO2.

I think Russia is next with about 5.4%

Washington DC puts out 32% of the nations hot air. :wink:

Fox puts out the rest. :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :evil: Sorry Ted,


I would think at a garden forum people would be very aware of the weather, climate and the ability to grow crops.

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Washington DC puts out 32% of the nations hot air.

Fox puts out the rest. Sorry Ted,
:lol: :lol: :lol: :P


A little off topic.
Some greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide occur naturally and are emitted to the atmosphere through natural processes and human activities.
If my brother farts in the propagation greenhouse, is he part of the Greenhouse Gas problem. :roll: :shock: :lol:

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Eric,

You know your brother better than I do. I would say if you need to leave the room when he is flatulent, then he is probably contributing. If he is flatulent and the only reason you know is because you have excellent hearing, he probably isn't contributing.

PHHHeeeeww! I hope that is a good answer.

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Nothing to contribute except a thank you for the best laugh I've had in a week. The last three postings in this thread had me genuinely laughing out loud!
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tedln wrote:Okay Tom, you can just play us a song on your guitar instead of commenting.

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Ok I will do that.

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I had a dog named Clapton once.

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Wow, Tom! Are all those guitars yours? I have an old flattop acoustic that my husband gave me for my 23rd birthday. Prior to that, I had an inexpensive f-hole acoustic.

I took the strings off my guitar years ago, though ... tucked it in its case and stashed it way in the back of my closet. I haven't played for a long, long time, probably 30 or more years. I doubt I could even remember any chords, anymore. I used to banjo-pick the thing. Always wanted a banjo, in fact, but never could afford one. :)
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Yes those are what I have for now, I still want a Arch top like BB Kings or simular.

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Yeah! The f-hole I had was an arch-top. I liked it, but I like the flattop I have now, too. Maybe I should think about dragging it out of the closet and doing a little pickin' and strummin' again. :lol:
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Tom,

Is the acoustic guitar on the right a 68 Martin with the gold beading?

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No it is a Dean it is an ok guitar. I wish it was a 68 Martin.

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Chalrie, love your humor. :)
Thanks for the interesting read on this thread. I wouldn't even know where to jump in. :? I do agree with the statment of "why bet using the Earth as chips" when it comes to global warming. 8)

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lily51 wrote:Chalrie, love your humor. :)
Thanks for the interesting read on this thread. I wouldn't even know where to jump in. :? I do agree with the statment of "why bet using the Earth as chips" when it comes to global warming. 8)


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CHERSKY, Russia – The Russian scientist shuffles across the frozen lake, scuffing aside ankle-deep snow until he finds a cluster of bubbles trapped under the ice. With a cigarette lighter in one hand and a knife in the other, he lances the ice like a blister. Methane whooshes out and bursts into a thin blue flame.
Gas locked inside Siberia's frozen soil and under its lakes has been seeping out since the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago. But in the past few decades, as the Earth has warmed, the icy ground has begun thawing more rapidly, accelerating the release of methane — a greenhouse gas 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide — at a perilous rate.

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101122/ap_on_re_eu/eu_climate_siberian_meltdown[/url]

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Yep, almost all swamps and marshes have released methane (swamp gas) to the atmosphere from bacterial decomposition of organics forever. I read somewhere that cattle are a major contributor of methane. It ain't good, but can we stop it?

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I read somewhere that cattle are a major contributor of methane.
Just wanted to clarify, this is from belching, not the other end. :)

Some say as much as a 1/3.

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Thanks Eric,

I was assuming the other end. Clarification always helps. How's your brothers problem in the greenhouse now. Don't feed him any beans. I have no idea what human emitted methane does to the greenhouse plants, but I am sure it makes the other gardeners uncomfortable.:D

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Yes swamps do let off gas Ted but we are talking about many thousands of square miles here. That is a S load of gas.

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Tom,

I wasn't trying to downplay the importance of the gas being released beneath the ice on the frozen lakes. I was just pointing out the fact that we already have a lot of other natural methane sources. Methane hydride which is frozen methane or methane ice in the ocean is another major source of atmospheric methane. I guess added to the co2 in the atmosphere, we have a problem. What do you think would remedy it?

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That is a good question Ted, not adding to the problem is one thing. Of course that is easier said than done. Plant more trees, do not cut more rain forests down. Do not wory about it as nature will take care of it and us. I do not always know what is making me sick or what to do to get better but I do know when I am sick and I know good health habits help keep me from getting sick.

Oh and keep them cows from belching.

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Yep, I planted two trees last week. Then I read something in "Nature" or in "Science" that said the earths biomass doesn't remove or store nearly as much carbon from the atmosphere as previously thought. I'll just leave the trees planted though in hopes they will be beautiful.

I also read yesterday that Al Gore stated in a European interview that his support of growing corn to produce ethanol as vice president, was only to pander to his Tennessee constituency and the Iowa voters since he would soon be running for President. He said the United States should discontinue the seven billion dollar per year subsidy for ethanol production. He cast the deciding vote in the Senate as Vice President to create the subsidy.

I can help with the cow thing though. I will eat part of one this evening. That dude won't be making anymore methane. :D

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Toss some cow on the BBQ and we will be over Ted. :wink:



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