I've been advised to post this query here rather than in small trees and shrubs in the hope that one of you experts might be able to advise.
I've been given a small acer but the variety is unknown. Is it possible to identify it from the image? The leaves are about 1" or so across.
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Thanks
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Gnome
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supermart,
The latest edition of 'Japanese Maples' by J.D. Vertrees lists 320 cultivars of A. palmatum and another 60 of other Japanese Maples. For me to attempt to identify your tree would be little more than a guess on my part. One possibility might be Shishio hime as this variety is widely available in N. America but this is far from a certainty.
There are pictures of some of the cultivars [url=https://worldplants.com/mapleintro.htm]here.[/url] Look first at the 'Dwarf Types' The picture of Shishio hime on the site looks different than the picture in my book which more closely resembles your photo.
Lorax, thanks for fixing the link.
Norm
The latest edition of 'Japanese Maples' by J.D. Vertrees lists 320 cultivars of A. palmatum and another 60 of other Japanese Maples. For me to attempt to identify your tree would be little more than a guess on my part. One possibility might be Shishio hime as this variety is widely available in N. America but this is far from a certainty.
There are pictures of some of the cultivars [url=https://worldplants.com/mapleintro.htm]here.[/url] Look first at the 'Dwarf Types' The picture of Shishio hime on the site looks different than the picture in my book which more closely resembles your photo.
Lorax, thanks for fixing the link.
Norm
Say Gnome,
What if anything do you know about 'Karasugawa', 'Shigitatsu sawa', 'Beni schichi henge', or 'Peaches and Cream'?
I have two variegated Japanese Maples here and I'd like to try one more in an attempt to fill in an area around a small decorative pond. I'm leaning toward 'Peaches and Cream' but am also attracted to 'Beni schichi henge'. The others would be fine too. Would prefer a height around 12' or greater but that might not be possible. The plant will go into a micro-climate of a Z6 and there are two others growing successfully in the same area.
Sorry for hijacking supermart.
I think Gnome nailed the ID on your plant.
What if anything do you know about 'Karasugawa', 'Shigitatsu sawa', 'Beni schichi henge', or 'Peaches and Cream'?
I have two variegated Japanese Maples here and I'd like to try one more in an attempt to fill in an area around a small decorative pond. I'm leaning toward 'Peaches and Cream' but am also attracted to 'Beni schichi henge'. The others would be fine too. Would prefer a height around 12' or greater but that might not be possible. The plant will go into a micro-climate of a Z6 and there are two others growing successfully in the same area.
Sorry for hijacking supermart.
I think Gnome nailed the ID on your plant.
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Gnome
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Lorax,
Here's what I find in the book I mentioned earlier.
Peaches and Cream grows to 3 meters. And I imagine that would only be after many years.
Karasu gawa, 'Older plants rarely exceed 4 meters high'
Beni shichihenge 'slow growing and forms an upright shrub up to 5 meters tall.' Also, 'not strong growing, tending to be twiggy'
I don't see the last cultivar you specified listed. I think you will be long time getting any of these near the size you wish.
Norm
Here's what I find in the book I mentioned earlier.
Peaches and Cream grows to 3 meters. And I imagine that would only be after many years.
Karasu gawa, 'Older plants rarely exceed 4 meters high'
Beni shichihenge 'slow growing and forms an upright shrub up to 5 meters tall.' Also, 'not strong growing, tending to be twiggy'
I don't see the last cultivar you specified listed. I think you will be long time getting any of these near the size you wish.
Norm
I need a plant that is going to hit around 12' preferably a little higher. I have black slate in the area, a small pond, and two other JMs. I've got an Acer truncatum 'Akikaze nishiki' and an A. pictum f. ambiguum 'Hoshi Yadori'. Both will attain heights o f 12' or better. Can you recommend a taller variegated JM?
I'm ok with juveniles. Height will come given time.
I'm ok with juveniles. Height will come given time.
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Kenshin14435
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Ok, I was asked to come here and see whats up. I have read all the posts but I personally have NO IDEA what you guys are talkin about.
Whats is all this stuff?????
'Karasugawa', 'Shigitatsu sawa', 'Beni schichi henge', or 'Peaches and Cream'
I don't know ANY of that stuff.
And even though I'm already feeling stupid I'll add another question.
Whats a variegated Japanese Maple ?
More specifcally. What does variegated mean?
I'm sorry Lorax. Your the teacher in this situation. Not the other way around.
So Mrs.Lorax, what's todays lesson?
Whats is all this stuff?????
'Karasugawa', 'Shigitatsu sawa', 'Beni schichi henge', or 'Peaches and Cream'I don't know ANY of that stuff.
And even though I'm already feeling stupid I'll add another question.
Whats a variegated Japanese Maple ?
More specifcally. What does variegated mean?
I'm sorry Lorax. Your the teacher in this situation. Not the other way around.
So Mrs.Lorax, what's todays lesson?
I can try to help you out with some of your questions but Japanese maples aren't exactly my forté. I only have two.
Definition of variegated-
American Heritage Dictionary
1. Having streaks, marks, or patches of a different color or colors; varicolored
Examples of non-variegated plants-
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nabeel8872/204596993/
https://kaweahoaks.com/html/malva_plant_011301.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/itamarp/540450054/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/steven_wong/1840685452/
Examples of variegated plants-
https://rarevariegatedplants.com/Plant-photos3/variegated.screwpine.jpg
https://www.mooseyscountrygarden.com/flowering-annuals/variegated-mallow.jpg
https://rarevariegatedplants.com/Plant-photos5/variegated.crepe.jasmine.jpg
https://rarevariegatedplants.com/Plant-photos3/variegated.tapioca.jpg
'Karasugawa', 'Shigitatsu sawa', 'Beni schichi henge', and 'Peaches and Cream' are all Japanese Maple cultivars. Since I am fond of variegated JMs, all of them are variegated varieties. When I picked them, I did so based on appearance. I'm sort of a shallow person when it comes to variegated JMs. What I was doing was attempting to determine which one would be the best for the location I have so I was looking for any information from others who might be growing them or a means by which to try to figure out on my own which of the above 4 would be the best choice for me to buy.
Definition of a cultivar-
American Heritage Dictionary
1. A race or variety of a plant that has been created or selected intentionally and maintained through cultivation.
Example, let's say I grow Sarracenia. Sarracenia is a genus of carnivorous pitcher plants. Let's say I have 300 Sarracenia leucophylla growing all together in the same bog and they're all happy and healthy and reproducing. Time goes on and one year I notice an odd ball Sarracenia leucophylla that seems to be colored much deeper and darker than all of the others. Sure enough, as the plant continues to grow the lids are coming in 3x as dark as the others. Next year that plant reproduces asexually and sure enough, the new clone is that same deep dark lid color. I divide the plant when it is dormant and the next year I have 4 of the same deep dark S. leucophyllas. I decide I like this odd ball plant and show it to a few friends who believe it is knock down drag out gorgeous and they suggest I begin the process of registering the plant as a cultivar. The cultivar is different from the straight species. In this particular situation I have chosen the plant for appearance and the cultivar name can be anything I want so I choose S. leucophylla 'Rouge de Sang'.
Let's say I have a bunch of European paper wasps that are getting down in the pitchers of my plants and chewing their way out leaving unsightly holes. I go back to that same bog of 300 S. leucophyllas and begin to feel the pitchers for any that seem to be thicker than the others. I find a few that do seem to be thicker and I mark them off. The following spring, I bag their blooms to stop insects from pollinating them in favor of hand pollinating them with others that appeared to have thicker pitchers. Time goes on and as a result of my selective breeding, I end up with an S. leucophylla that has thicker pitchers that wasps can't chew through to escape as easily. I decide to go for cultivar status and name my new plant S. leucophylla 'Wasp Buster'.
Now let's go one step further. Let's say I have that nice deep dark S. leucophylla 'Rouge de Sang' and decide I want to try for even deeper and darker pitchers and lids by crossing it with a different species. Let's say I choose to cross it with S. flava var. rubricorpora. I bag the plants and begin crossing them to each other. Voila, success. I end up with offspring that have deeper and darker pitchers and lids. I really like these offspring and decide to name them S. 'Le Plus Profond et Le Plus Sombre'.
So there you have it. A cultivar is really nothing more than a selection that can be propagated reliably that was chosen or bred for desired characteristics such as coloration, leaf shape and size, disease resistance, or pest resistance.
So now let's take a look at an image of Acer truncatum-
https://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus2/factsheet.cfm?ID=849
Now let's take a look at an image of the cultivar, 'Akikaze nishiki'
https://www.mytho-fleurs.com/images/arbres/acer_truncatum_akikaze_nishiki
Now let's take a look at an image of Acer pictum f. ambiguum-
https://aoki2.si.gunma-u.ac.jp/BotanicalGarden/PICTs/itaya-kaede.jpeg
Now here's the the cultivar- 'Hoshi Yadori'-
https://www.esveld.nl/plantdias/00/314.jpg
Those happen to be the two variegated maple cultivars that I have growing here. I like them. As you can see, the cultivars are very similar to the straight species other than the variegation evident in the leaves.
Hope this helps. Really glad you weren't afraid to ask the questions you asked.
Definition of variegated-
American Heritage Dictionary
1. Having streaks, marks, or patches of a different color or colors; varicolored
Examples of non-variegated plants-
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nabeel8872/204596993/
https://kaweahoaks.com/html/malva_plant_011301.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/itamarp/540450054/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/steven_wong/1840685452/
Examples of variegated plants-
https://rarevariegatedplants.com/Plant-photos3/variegated.screwpine.jpg
https://www.mooseyscountrygarden.com/flowering-annuals/variegated-mallow.jpg
https://rarevariegatedplants.com/Plant-photos5/variegated.crepe.jasmine.jpg
https://rarevariegatedplants.com/Plant-photos3/variegated.tapioca.jpg
'Karasugawa', 'Shigitatsu sawa', 'Beni schichi henge', and 'Peaches and Cream' are all Japanese Maple cultivars. Since I am fond of variegated JMs, all of them are variegated varieties. When I picked them, I did so based on appearance. I'm sort of a shallow person when it comes to variegated JMs. What I was doing was attempting to determine which one would be the best for the location I have so I was looking for any information from others who might be growing them or a means by which to try to figure out on my own which of the above 4 would be the best choice for me to buy.
Definition of a cultivar-
American Heritage Dictionary
1. A race or variety of a plant that has been created or selected intentionally and maintained through cultivation.
Example, let's say I grow Sarracenia. Sarracenia is a genus of carnivorous pitcher plants. Let's say I have 300 Sarracenia leucophylla growing all together in the same bog and they're all happy and healthy and reproducing. Time goes on and one year I notice an odd ball Sarracenia leucophylla that seems to be colored much deeper and darker than all of the others. Sure enough, as the plant continues to grow the lids are coming in 3x as dark as the others. Next year that plant reproduces asexually and sure enough, the new clone is that same deep dark lid color. I divide the plant when it is dormant and the next year I have 4 of the same deep dark S. leucophyllas. I decide I like this odd ball plant and show it to a few friends who believe it is knock down drag out gorgeous and they suggest I begin the process of registering the plant as a cultivar. The cultivar is different from the straight species. In this particular situation I have chosen the plant for appearance and the cultivar name can be anything I want so I choose S. leucophylla 'Rouge de Sang'.
Let's say I have a bunch of European paper wasps that are getting down in the pitchers of my plants and chewing their way out leaving unsightly holes. I go back to that same bog of 300 S. leucophyllas and begin to feel the pitchers for any that seem to be thicker than the others. I find a few that do seem to be thicker and I mark them off. The following spring, I bag their blooms to stop insects from pollinating them in favor of hand pollinating them with others that appeared to have thicker pitchers. Time goes on and as a result of my selective breeding, I end up with an S. leucophylla that has thicker pitchers that wasps can't chew through to escape as easily. I decide to go for cultivar status and name my new plant S. leucophylla 'Wasp Buster'.
Now let's go one step further. Let's say I have that nice deep dark S. leucophylla 'Rouge de Sang' and decide I want to try for even deeper and darker pitchers and lids by crossing it with a different species. Let's say I choose to cross it with S. flava var. rubricorpora. I bag the plants and begin crossing them to each other. Voila, success. I end up with offspring that have deeper and darker pitchers and lids. I really like these offspring and decide to name them S. 'Le Plus Profond et Le Plus Sombre'.
So there you have it. A cultivar is really nothing more than a selection that can be propagated reliably that was chosen or bred for desired characteristics such as coloration, leaf shape and size, disease resistance, or pest resistance.
So now let's take a look at an image of Acer truncatum-
https://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrology/syllabus2/factsheet.cfm?ID=849
Now let's take a look at an image of the cultivar, 'Akikaze nishiki'
https://www.mytho-fleurs.com/images/arbres/acer_truncatum_akikaze_nishiki
Now let's take a look at an image of Acer pictum f. ambiguum-
https://aoki2.si.gunma-u.ac.jp/BotanicalGarden/PICTs/itaya-kaede.jpeg
Now here's the the cultivar- 'Hoshi Yadori'-
https://www.esveld.nl/plantdias/00/314.jpg
Those happen to be the two variegated maple cultivars that I have growing here. I like them. As you can see, the cultivars are very similar to the straight species other than the variegation evident in the leaves.
Hope this helps. Really glad you weren't afraid to ask the questions you asked.
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Kenshin14435
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Oh, ok Mrs. Lorax!
I get thepart about te varigated stuff. Basically if it's varigated it has more than 2 colors on it's leaves. Right?
That other stuff is alot more complicated to me. I recommend not trying to explain it again because I still won't get it.
Oh-Well. I think I need to go read your post a couple hundred more times.
That was a great lesson Mrs. Lorax, Thank You!
I get thepart about te varigated stuff. Basically if it's varigated it has more than 2 colors on it's leaves. Right?
That other stuff is alot more complicated to me. I recommend not trying to explain it again because I still won't get it.
Oh-Well. I think I need to go read your post a couple hundred more times.That was a great lesson Mrs. Lorax, Thank You!
You are correct about the variegation. Give yourself time on the rest. Once you start having more experiences under your belt, what I typed will make sense. They're hard for people who have been gardening for years to grasp and we're online and I don't have the benefit of physically showing you plants.