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Ash Tree Not Budding & Some Leaves Turned Brown

I have a tree- 12 years old, I think it may be an Ash. Some areas of the tree didn't progress past budding. In other areas the leaves have turned brown and dropped off. I have tried five tree experts, but no one will visit the tree and offer help. I would be very grateful for any assistance as I would like to save the tree if possible.

I have two pictures, one of the leave-the other, part of the tree showing brown leaves. I can't seem to post pictures to the forum but I could email them if someone will help.

Thank you

Mrs J Gunnill

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Two picture for this post. Very grateful for any assistance.

[img]https://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u331/jgunnill/mgltree001.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u331/jgunnill/mgltree-leaf003.jpg[/img]

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Form and growth of the tree doesn't seem consistent with Ash that I'm familiar with. Might be Fraxinus but I'd have to see all of the leaflets in one photo to be able to have a better chance at identifying it.

Couple questions and bear with me please as I really am trying to go somewhere with them-

Do any of your neighbors have any trees exhibiting similar issues? If so, are they also the same plant as what you have?

Will you go out to your tree in daylight for me please? I need you to very carefully look at the bark. Would you please photograph any areas of the bark that don't seem quite right to you for me and post them here.

If any of the bark looks as if it is raised up from the trunk, would you please gently lift it up and peek under at the cambium and tell me the best you possibly can what you see? If it comes off in your hand please photograph the area directly underneath the bark.

Next, do you see any small holes in the bark? Holes that look as if somebody cut a pencil in half and tried to hammer it into the tree then extracted it?

If nothing sticks out like a sore thumb with the bark, let's go back to the leaves again and instead of looking for some sort of a borer to be the culprit let's take a look for signs of anthracnose. Take a few photos of other leaves both top and underside. Photograph leaves that don't look quite right to you please and let's have a look at those together and see if we can't come up with something.

I'm afraid with you being from the UK that I'm not at all up on what pests you good people struggle with but I'll try my best for you from this side of the pond. Please know that my best will probably not be be good enough to even get you close to the root of the problem but maybe we can try to figure out what's going on with more photos.

You might want to contact two members named pd and Jess via private message and steer them both to this thread to have a look see at what you've got. I suspect they'd be more help to you than me.

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Thank you for your information. I have posted two further pictures.
1: Close up of one side of the tree. No leaf cover.
2: Close up burnt leaves with other normal ones. Although on some "green" leaves brown spots can be seen.

No damage on neighbours trees. No damage at all to the bark of my tree.

I would be grateful for further assistance. Thank you.

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Not an Ash tree. At least not any Ash with which I have any familiarity. Really can't see well enough to tell you what you've got and would need considerably more detailed photos of specific parts of the plant to try to take a stab at it.

I stole your photo for a moment. I circled areas on your photo of leaves I would be interested in having close-ups of.

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Also too, please give me a good photo of the bark of this tree and if you are able to do so, a decent photo of a branch. Would be nice to have a photo of the base of the tree too.

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Thank you for your continued help.

Pictures 10/11/12 as your requested close ups from a previous picture.

pix 13 Close up bark, possible damage?
pix 14 Close up bark- white milky spots?
pix 15 Close up bark/branch spots?

Base of tree not possible as a hedge covers to a height of 2 metres.

regards
Julia Gunnill

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pix 13- appears the bark split. Could have happened for any number of reasons however it appears the tree healed itself. I don't think that's the root of your problem.

pix 14- The milky white spots appear to be lichen. Doubt seriously if the lichen is at the root of your problem.

pix 15- Julia, I'm at a loss. I'm not familiar with landscape trees of the UK. I have no reference publications here to turn to. I see no evidence of borer damage to that tree which could have explained the leaves.

You've got some sort of a leafspot disease there. It could be bacterial or it could be fungal. Have you any labs that you could send leaves to that would diagnose this for a nominal fee?

For right now, would you be able to prune out the dead branches and burn them? Could you rake up all the leaves on the ground and burn those too.

If you know how to use the private message system here, would you please send a PM to a member named pd with the url to this thread to let him take a look and see what he thinks?



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