Haha very true they all look very similar when they are real young. I thought as much. It is just very interesting how different nursery pines look from wild pines and I know it has to do a lot with the watering, fert, heat, etc. I guess what im trying to accomplish is growing a ponderosa that looks like the ones that grow out in the wild rather than ones that are grown in a nursery. I live in Flagstaff, Arizona.