Your answer is before or after you saw my drawing plan?imafan26 wrote:large plants need big pots. You can use other containers. Plastic 55 gallon drums cut in half (they have to be food grade. Here we would get them from bakeries) You can use muck buckets. They are large plastic tubs you might find at a farm or stable supply or hardware store. Here they are sold for ice buckets. You have to put drain holes in them. I use a soldering iron but you need to do it outside, burning plastic is toxic to breathe. I use a mask.
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One tomato per pot and you need to use potting soil not garden soil in the pot. You will need to fertilize the plants in the pot.
It is better if you don't have a lot of equipment and only small pots to start with smaller plant that fit the pots. Herbs will do fine in small pots. All planters must have holes on the bottom and you should use potting soil that is designed for pots. Dirt can be tricky since it is dense and does not behave very well in pots. It will pack down and contract and that can cause problems down the line.
Until you have built up the soil better it would be better to plant things that are not such heavy feeders like tomatoes and corn.
Beans and peas require less nutrients. Lettuce and cabbages are possibilities.
I would wait on beets and carrots until the soil has been improved enough to be soft and deep.
albopepper wrote:Here are examples of things grown in my 30 gallon SIP totes, without using any plastic cover at all:
I prefer to harness rain water. Also, I like the plants to get aeration through the bottom aeration screen PLUS the surface soil line. This provides for maximum gas exchange. But you need a properly porous mix. Some things, like peanuts, won't even work if you try to use a plastic cover.
Of course if you're using a plastic cover and getting stellar results, then keep doing it!
So what is the diameter and depth of the pot is minimum good enough? what about container?ButterflyLady29 wrote:Some plants need a lot of room for their roots and just don't do well in small pots. I'm not sure about your area but in most of the US there are places where you can get buckets free or for very little money. You would have to make holes in the bottom of a bucket or other container. The holes let water drain out so your pot doesn't fill with water. Too much water will kill your plants.
applestar wrote: I like the idea of NOT throwing away things that can't be readily recycled -- I.e. that my limited municipal recycling won't take. At least not right away.
I'm basing the depth of container on J. Jeavon's 3" deep for sowing seeds and 6" deep for most uppots. (Lettuce can stay in 3" deep). Filled with soil to the rim for better air circulation
Ok, I already planted cilantro and parsley, I have planted onions in a container but it never show up, I feel it is either never germinated or I have to wait months, if nothing showing within 1 month later then I will just recycle the container soil and I will try with less mixed soil maybe. I will buy another containers wide and shallow for the plants you mentioned excluding what I already planted, hope it will work fine.ButterflyLady29 wrote:In your shallow (not deep) containers you can plant the lettuce, saffron, onions, spinach, strawberries, cilantro, and parsley. All the others need a much deeper container or to be planted in the ground.
I've tried mushrooms in containers and still haven't had any results. I'm doing something wrong but I haven't figured out what yet.
I planted seeds, black seeds, and not sure if those seeds are the one I placed on wet cotton and they didn't germinate so it may caught fungi, or if I planted new seeds, I bought the package of seeds from one of those gardening stores and the expiry date shows that it will be in 2018, production is 02/2015, I didn't know that it may not last/live very long.ButterflyLady29 wrote:If your onions haven't come up within 2 weeks they aren't going to come up. Did you use seed or little bulbs (also known in the US as sets)? Onion seed doesn't live very long, it usually won't grow if it's more than a year old. Go ahead and plant something else in the onion pot.
Sorry for that but I really don't understand these steps, I try to image it or know what you mean by cut and how or where, but I get many pictures in my head so I feel that I didn't follow your trick clearly.applestar wrote:If you are growing onions for the greens or small bulbs, here's a trick I like -- Cut a generous pyramid from the bottom of the onions you prepare for cooking -- instead of cutting straight across, cut the onion diagonally from one side of the base/dried up roots, then cut two or three more angles, then cut off the point. You should have the base of the onion attached to the 3/4 to 1 inch "pyramid".
You only need 1" diameter or less so you can also cut off the corners of the pyramid when cutting up big onions if you want.
Snuggle these into loose soil mix just below soil surface and they will grow roots and greens.
I do this all winter indoors to clip off and harvest the greens, and then, in spring, I plant them out. (Remember it usually gets down to negative single digit Â°F here in winter and most onions won't survive outside). As they mature During the growing season, some of them will form bulbs, most will just grow lush greens during the spring then try to bloom. I generally cut off and harvest the greens or pull them up to eat as green onions, but sometimes I let them bloom and make seeds and then harvest the seeds to grow.
-- you can do this with garlic and shallots, too.
Thank you very much, I will do this method and see how it will go so far.applestar wrote:I made Chicken with Shiitake in rosemary-lemon-white wine sauce for dinner, and needed to cut an onion
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Well, I am thinking to plant those higher plants first or that grow into trees or big seedlings, then later when I see that there are some areas left then I can think about those underground plants, and if you telling me that I need about 2.5cm apart for onions seeds in the ground that mean if I take for example 0.5mx0.5m area then I can plant about 20 seeds, if I can have about 1m square area then it may go up to 40 seeds, not bad, I may divide it into 2 halves, one for onions and one for garlic., but I feel that I can have them separated from the garden in containers so I can save space more for my growing up plants.ButterflyLady29 wrote:If you are going to plant your onion plant that come from the seed outside or in another spot then the seed can be planted 2.5 cm apart. If you are going to leave them in the container they should be about 12 cm apart. I never tried them on toilet paper, just in the soil. And they can be grown in your 6 to 8 inch deep buckets. 7 cm from the sides and 12 cm apart would be good spacing.
Tomatoes need at least 5 to 10 gallons, bigger is better.
Garlic, the little segments are called cloves, the bunch together is the bulb. I had to look it up, a lot of people get the terms mixed up.
applestar, thanks for the pictures. I didn't get it either. I've tried to grow onions from the slice off the bottom but they always rotted. I'll have to try your pyramid next time.
ButterflyLady29 wrote:I did look at your photos and garden plan. You need to add the size of your planting area. If you gave it and I didn't see it I apologize. I wouldn't plant the corn because it takes too much room for the little it produces. Corn is very easy to buy here. I would grow the tomatoes and peppers because the ones from the store don't taste good and are very expensive. I also would plant the raspberries and strawberries because those also are much better fresh. But you are in a very different climate and I am not familiar with what your stores offer. Here lentils are very cheap to buy but take up a lot of room in a very small home garden.
Some of your trees can be planted in large pots, I have citrus trees in pots because they have to be kept inside for our winter. I've also seen bananas in pots. I don't know about the mango and pomegranate. Mulberries become large trees and so do cherries, they need to be planted in the ground.
Onions and garlic, yes, about 20 plants in a 0.5m by 0.5m area. And yes, they can grow in containers. Garlic and onions grown for green onions can be planted closer. The 12 cm guide is for large onions.
" Parsley never germinated in different pots I plants, not even one. Onions in a container didn't germinate yet, or maybe it germinates but didn't show out of soil or sprouted, will leave it for little more time and check later, at least I planted one or 2 seeds of another variety of onion in a pot and it germinated and keep growing. Also I planted 5 germinates watermelon seeds in pots each individually, but they never came out of the soil yet, I thought once they are germinates then it will sprout I no time, but sounds something off killed them or stopped them not sure what. Also I planted citrus yellow lemon germinated seeds in smaller pots, 4 almost sprouted then I transplanted 3 of them to a bit bigger pot, but sounds they never grow enough at all, is it known for very very slow growing or it is gone?
And last but not least, I planted cluster beans one seed in a pot and also a cucumber in another pot, both were germinated seeds, and they grew like a hell, but, cucumber seedling died in no time after I saw 2 or 3 big leaves, either wrong watering or the pot was small for it to grow faster, and the beans seedling is died too maybe because the pot wasn't big so it didn't grow better, or it could be that watering it, the person who water my garden and plants just water direct on plants, maybe strong water coming out of the pipe,"
I asked him not to water my seedlings or pots/containers anymore, if he will do then by that garden plastic watering can I bought or even smaller spray cans, in all cases I asked him to water on the soil directly rather than on the plant/seedling itself, hope this will prevent most problems I may face later.ButterflyLady29 wrote:You have someone else watering your seedlings and planted pots and you don't know how they are doing it? That may be the problem. Some seeds require light in order to sprout. If hard watering covers the seed with too much soil it won't sprout. Hard watering after the seeds germinate will kill the young plants.
Which grows faster, transplants or seeds in the ground? That answer really depends on the plant. Tomatoes and peppers grow just fine from transplants but cucumbers and watermelon are set back by transplanting. And with any seedling/young plant, if the pot is too small and the roots run out of room it sets them back so they won't grow as quickly.