Anyone have links/in depth info on the harms of Sevin?

[Cuke]

My parents right now are trying to say Sevin is fine and harmless.I'm having trouble explaining to them it kills beneficial insects and harms humans too but they don't seem to care.Links to articles or any information would be great.Oh,and I already have several organic sprays that I use instead of Sevin right now,but they don't want to 'waste it' by taking it to a company that disposes of pesticides safely.My goal is to get it out of here,without having to use it on the garden.

[cynthia_h]

What I did to find the following threads was:

--click on "Search the Forum." It's in the row of lime green characters underneath the Helpful Gardener Gardening Forum + gold medal + photos of tools at the top of each page, near the right.

--under "key terms" I entered carbaryl, the name of the active ingredient in Sevin. I probably would've gotten the same threads by entering the word "Sevin" into the box.

--I clicked "Go" or "Search" or whatever the last available box is.

There were two pages of results. Many of the results were posts within the same thread.

Please look at these; one of them is a Sticky under Organic Insect and Pest Control.

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... baryl#4529

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... baryl#4531

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... baryl#9624

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... aryl#27479

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... aryl#35636

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... aryl#42449

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... aryl#74524

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... aryl#79247

Cynthia H.
Sunset Zone 17, USDA Zone 9

[rainbowgardener]

Search the Forum is your friend! Here's a few of the threads I found by typing Sevin into it:

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... php?t=8520

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... php?t=1595

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... evin#85286

http://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/v ... evin#79411

etc...

Main points being it is harmful to human beings, it is lethal to honeybees, lady bees, and all other beneficial insects, it is harmful to aquatic life and other parts of the natural environment. And in the longer term it does NOT work. You kill off all the natural biological controls for the pest insects. Then the pest population comes roaring back from surrounding non-sprayed areas, eggs hatching out etc. With no natural controls any more, the pest insects thrive more than ever.

PS... if you check out these threads, many of them have links to actual data

[hendi_alex]

I hate that so many people are so casual about sevin. They will give advice without having any real knowledge, just repeating what they think or have heard. This past week-end I was in line at the gardening shop, when the lady in front of me asked the clerk what to do to kill those caterpillar pests on her parsley. The clerk resonded, [just dust the parsley with seven and that will kill them.] The lady said, [but isn't seven very poisonous? I would rather use something organic.] The clerk replied, no seven is perfectly safe, you can even rub it on your dogs and cats to kill the fleas, and it doesn't harm your pets.

I put my hand over my mouth and 'whispered' quite loud enough for the clerk to hear, [seven is a terrible poison to use, especially on greens that you will be eating.] Then I talked to the parsley grower about the swallow tail butterflies and their life cycle, and how she can just monitor activity and remove the eggs from her small planting. I also offered alternatives such as having a few extra plants for the butterfly larvae, or perhaps having a screen or other barrier to keep the butterflies off of the plant. She said that she would just move her parsley to inside her screened porch.

[rainbowgardener]

Great intervention, alex!

[Cuke]

Thanks everyone.My computer isn't working properly and the search bar won't load.Now I'll read through all those links.

Alex,that sounds like my parents.They think it's wonderful but I know that when we used it many years ago there were fewer bees in the garden.And last year,the organic spray I used killed the cuke beetles.I don't know why they love Sevin so much.

[gixxerific]

High five Alex, I do the same when at the garden stores.

Great links I have again bookmarked quite a few. My PC went down and I lost my ton's of good links.

Still working on my neighbors a little at a time. The guy across the street used something to kill his weeds in a flower bed I didn't ask what at the time I didn't want to get into it at the time. But he was saying how he used it full strength though it was a concentrate. Than asked me if I thought it might do any harm to his bushes that are in soak zone of his death spill. He's not quite all there when it comes to green things. I told him they might be alright. They are looking a little brown today. I need to have a sit down with him he has a baby on the way in a few month's.

Maybe I should give his wife some information, she would make him change his way's right quick.

[vermontkingdom]

Sevin is particularly tough on earthworms. I would never use it, or many of those other killers, in my garden. It amazes me so many people use hardcore chemicals with little or no understanding of what those pesti-insecti-herbi-fungi- cides are doing to everything (and everybody) around them.

[Cuke]

Oh my gixxerific! He used it full force when it was a concentrate??Yes,hopefully his wife will be much more open about it so her baby isn't harmed.
Vermont,I will definitely tell them that.We used a bag of worm castings this year and saw plenty of worms when we planted the tomato transplants.

And I'm still reading through the links,just been busy so I only got through a couple of them,but they're very eye-opening.

[The Helpful Gardener]

Have the chat, gixx. You won't be able to sleep if you don't...

People are nuts. They don't think twice about spraying chemicals but look at me like I've lost my last marble if I pick something wild and say "Eat this". Where's the plastic wrap and the expiration date? Is it safe?

There was a girl on a permaculture forum saying her mom wouldn't eat her eggs because the looked funny; all differnet sizes and colors, and the yolks were too yellow (organic free range FREE eggs. From her daughter).

But a chemical? Must be safe...



HG

[Nick D]

Sevin is particularly tough on earthworms. I would never use it, or many of those other killers, in my garden. It amazes me so many people use hardcore chemicals with little or no understanding of what those pesti-insecti-herbi-fungi- cides are doing to everything (and everybody) around them.

The worms in my garden must be awfully forgiving. I used sevin to control aphids about a month ago, before I found HG and saw the light.

I transplanted my three cherry tomato plants from pot to garden yesterday and must have found at least a dozen earthworms. The sevin will be disposed of properly.

[The Helpful Gardener]

Nick, when youlook at the info, that this stuff is still on the market shows just how screwed up our system is....

Known carcinogen, known cholinestrase inhibitor, known reproductive toxin, highly acute aquatic toxin, but sure, it's still o.k to put on food crops...



HG

[gixxerific]

Just makes you sick doesn't it HG, and literally it will.

I saw this movie can't remember where in my traveling I found it but if there toxic products don't turn you off maybe their business practices and attempt to take over the world will.

Makes me want to do bad things to bad people.

http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=105

[The Helpful Gardener]

Sevin is a carbamate, which is an endocrine disruptor, which the President's panel is officially going to call a health hazardshortly...

Is THAT enough to get it pulled off the market?

Guess we'll see...

HG