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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:53 pm
by applestar
In Paul Stamets' garden mushroom experiments, Brussels Sprouts grown with Hypsizygus ulmarius (Elm/Beech oyster mushrooms) flourished better than those without, and, in something associated with him (I've forgotten what), King Stropharia (Garden Giant/Burgundy Wine Cap) mushrooms are recommended for growing on the shady side of corn rows.

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:43 pm
by The Helpful Gardener
Locust is a seral landscape specialist, a reclaimer of spent or damaged soils.Perhaps the best bet is to let them have it for a bit and then cut them back and amend with compost.

As for the other spot, let the mushrooms do their thing and you will have the soil you wish soon enough...

HG

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:29 am
by Ozark Lady
One thing that I do, that is perhaps odd.

I let weeds 'mother' my tender young plants. I don't clear them out all the way, I simply remove enough of them to let me get my young plants into the bed. I then let them grow for a bit, using the weed shade as a protection. Then, once the plant is established, I slowly remove the weeds, so the extra sunlight does not shock my baby plant. Consequently, my early season garden, looks like it is neglected, when it isn't, well, not really... it is planned chaos.

I noticed that wild strawberries, would grow great, if you left them alone, but if you mess with them "helping" they die everytime. So, I started watching... wild strawberries grow, where my kids had weinie roasts, open burning was allowed when I observed this. They also grow best under weeds... shade... of course.

So, I tried burning brush on my beds, and then letting the weeds have their day. And it seemed to work, but some plants weren't crazy about the burned beds... all liked the "mothering done by weeds". And yet, most were glad to see them go.

I don't remove clover, unless I have to double dig a bed. I simply take my scissors to it, and trim it up, when it shades my plants too much, then I train it to grow around the base, as a green mulch. There are some other weeds that I do this with too, that I don't know what they are. If the weeds start outperforming the veggies or flowers there, then I know that is not a "friend".

My tame strawberries love sharing their bed with clover, but occasionally I have to have a talk with the clover... tee hee

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:01 am
by The Helpful Gardener
A very healthy attitude towards your weeds, one that benefits your other plants and your soil. We have become too quick to pull or hoe and even spray poisons to rid ourselves of plants we can use to the advantage of both crop and soil.

This knowledge, known to every indigenous tribe around the globe, has been ignored and reviled by Western civlization as "laziness" and "neglect", when indeed it is the smartest form of agriculture to work with nature rather than against it. Glad to see that some out there still understand the true workings of the planet and use it to advantage.

HG

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:45 am
by Toil
I've been reading this thread in awed silence.

All I did was ask a question and all this knowledge just exploded from everywhere.

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:15 am
by applestar
I KNOW! Toil, I'm so addicted to this forum for that very reason. :wink:
As I always say, "I'm an information junkie." 8)

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:08 pm
by Toil
Now I am wondering... Is there any way to acquire seeds for weeds mentioned in "Weeds, Guardians of the Soil", other than the ones usually sold as cover crops?

For a small time gardener like me, it makes sense to just collect them in the field. But a farmer looking to improve a large plot, say, with seed bombs with helpful weeds, how would he go about it?

This is hypothetical, I'll probably never get to have a farm.

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:43 am
by Toil
Ha!

I was checking for heirlooms on bountiful gardens, and they have some beneficial plants. Not weeds, per se, but looks handy.

Fenugreek is one, for busting up soil.