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I've never been to Hawaii, but it sure sounds nice! We have had temps in single digits already, here.
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When I was there for the Longshorman's union. Dole was closing it's operation at Lunata Bay {not sure the spelling} there was severance to be arranged. I was able to look around and at times shown around. We were in the bush, don't know what else to call it, drinking homemade. Each person was saying what could be found or done on the islands, I had a mouth full of homemade when Abba said " And the cockroaches are big as cats." I spit and choked showering all.

Not a bad time. Made happy!

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Scratch the name of the Dole location, I'll have to look it up, it's been years.

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Manele Bay, it's on Lana'i. I moved up in the mountains in 72, so the 60ies was the closing of Dole's operations. I guess they still grow pineapple there, imafan would know better, but the cheaper fruit is now brought to the mainland from South America. Too bad, the Hawaiian is much better.

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Most of the sugar and pIneapple plantations have closed on Oahu and the other islands. Pineapple is still grown on Maui and Lanai for the fresh market, but is no longer being canned here. Our pineapple does taste better than the Mexican, Philippine, African, and South American varieties. Dole plantation in Wahiawa maintains a small demo plot of pineapple varieties from around the globe. It was once part of the experimental plot, now it is mostly for tourists. They also have a train on a short loop. in Ewa Beach the Train society runs a restored plantation train on a longer daily train ride. It is a hundred year old locomotive so there there is no air conditioning on it, it runs on restored parts of the original track that was used to haul sugar cane.

Monsanto and Pioneer bought most of the larger tracts of land that belonged to the plantations. People did not want the land rezoned but although farmers need more land, most of them cannot afford to buy a lot of it, so large portions of the fields now have sugar growing as a weed. Monsanto and Pioneer grow winter seed corn. Monsanto actually is back breeding and growing the parent of the hybrid corn and part of the agreement with Campbell estate that owned the land was that they would allow the DelMonte workers living in Kunia to stay there. Most are retirees, until they decide to move out (unlikely, since they cannot get better rent) or the workers die.

The nights are definitely cooler and it is getting windier. It is getting down to the mid to low sixties at night, but not every night, it depends on which way the wind is coming from. Occasionally Mauna Kea gets a light dusting of snow.
In contrast, the lava flow for the meantime looks like it is not advancing on Puna or Kaohe subdivisions and but is still active just heading in a different direction. So a little fire and ice going on the Big Island.
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Your posts are very good reading, you write them so well, giving details that would be hard to get without being right there. When there, I very much enjoyed the land, the food and the people I met. You mentioned the better taste, we ate ourselfs full, with one guy swinging a large blade while holding the pineapple in his other hand. We sat in a circle telling stories, most of them true and some of them a bit sad. I have a life long friend there, we are not always in contact, who lives off grid, and now sells and ships flowers, he sent some, laced with Peace lilies, when our daughter was born. Seems like yesterday but it's been years.
Thankyou for your informative and warm discriptions, you speak/write so clearly it's as if I were seeing it first hand. God love you.

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Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving
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There have been a few days recently that I knew it was cold - teenage boys had their pants pulled up to their waist. :shock:
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People are starting to wear their jackets now. For Hawaii, that is winter clothing. And I have been tempted to put some sox on when I go to sleep since the floor is cold in the middle of the night.

Today was very windy, my had was blown off a couple of times while I was out weeding. The only good thing about it is that usually I am soaked with sweat by the end of the day. Now, I am staying pretty dry except for my feet since my boots are not vented.
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We are having a brief warm up of milder weather. Today is interesting because it goes up to 50 degrees and then the low tonight is 47 - only three degrees difference between high and low, which is unusual for us. By Monday, snow and cold return...
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About like our weather, RainbowGardener!

Thanksgiving Day, the 55° tied a record for warmest! Yesterday, there were wind gusts to 46mph!! It is now freezing and will go lower. In fact, the thermometer isn't suppose to rise above freezing for any day in the Weather Service graphics ...

Just as well. Snow needs to stay in our mountains - counting on it for next summer!

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Ah, Shoot!

I let the pickup doors freeze shut again without gettin' the sillykon spray on 'em!

The morning low of 28° with an afternoon high of 32° doesn't look all that promising ... well, I have that spray and a rag sitting by the backdoor to remind me.

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try making a mixture of 2 parts vinegar to 1 part water, put it in spray bottle and spray all around the door seal, getting it the crack if you can. Works for me!
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Wonderful how differently we all interpret "cold". For so many of you cold is REALLY cold as in ice and snow. For Imafan and those of us in the deep south cold means wearing jeans instead of shorts, closed toe shoes or cowboy boots instead of sandals and flip flops and wearing a lite weight jacket or sweater and socks.

My brother and SIL recently moved from Denver to Florida. SIL has always lived in a cold climate. Her entire winter wardrobe is geared to extreme cold. All of her boots are fleece lined. Not at all suitable for southern winters. I took her shopping yesterday and she purchased a stunning pair of cowboy boots. She will be able to wear them year round.

The downside of the shopping trip is that the sales associate asked if she was my DAUGHTER! :shock: After a moment of thought I realized that she is young enough to be my daughter. OMG! My brother is 10 years older than she is and she is younger than my youngest sibling. I told the associate that she was my sister by another mister. :wink: Getting old sucks.

Anyway - I sincerely hope we do not have a winter like we had last year - 2 or was it 3 ice storms in south Louisiana - unheard of!

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Good morning You Grace. Just read your post. You wrote "Getting old sucks." It's much better than the alternative. Plus you and I may have been born in the same decade.

rainbow, That vinegar and water~ is that to use before the door freezes shut?

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It didn't warm to 32° but the few hours of the afternoon were marked by blue sky and sunshine. Enuf so that the pickup thawed and I got the spray rubbed into the rubber.

I didn't know about the vinegar spray. Imagine that it melts but doesn't stay around long.

A record 55° on the afternoon of the 27th and forecast for the morning of the 30th, single ..

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I don't comment much in this thread except to to post my own weather conditions, but I was catching up on reading after the marathon Thanksgiving prep and celebrations since the beginning of the week! Looks like I missed a lot and I really enjoyed everyone's posts :D

It was 20°F outside when I woke up yesterday morning to cook two dishes to take to my brother's house -- this morning it's only 43°F and, honestly, my reaction on seeing that was "Oh it's warm today!" :lol:

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valley wrote:Good morning You Grace. Just read your post. You wrote "Getting old sucks." It's much better than the alternative. Plus you and I may have been born in the same decade.

rainbow, That vinegar and water~ is that to use before the door freezes shut?

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applestar wrote:It was 20°F outside when I woke up yesterday morning to cook two dishes to take to my brother's house -- this morning it's only 43°F and, honestly, my reaction on seeing that was "Oh it's warm today!"
yep - any morning i get up and it's above freezing is 'warm' this time of year. warm all week this week, it looks: highs in the 50's and 60's, lows in the 40's. had some real cold recently, it's nice to not have to bring in the more tender plants for a bit.

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We are 10 degrees colder than you right now - highs in the 40's (now that the little warm up is over), lows around freezing +/- a couple degrees. But all my tender plants came in a long time ago. We had temps in the single digits for awhile. Anything not appropriate to my zone would be dead!
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For those very few days when the car ices over I keep rubbing alcohol on hand. It has a much lower freezing point than water. The same with RBG's water/vinegar mixture. Keep a spray bottle full. Both work great.

Stay warm. Speaking of warm I am outside in a pair of shorts and a t-shirt. Really miss my tree - too much glare.
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It rained for days, this morning it was snowing pretty good, now it's warmer snow. Different every year some years we it's there is several feet of snow by Holloween other years, nothing until around Christmas.

Yesterday we went down to the Nevada place, the girls went to work at a neighbor's ranch while we, wifey, myself and another neighbor, burned tumbles that had blown against the barns. We stood around the fire until after dark, when the girls came home we drowned the fire and went inside, during dinner, our neighbor confessed how he missed us. We'll see him again in a few days.

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Winter has gone away. In the morning I turn the fireplace on (LPG) to get the chill out of the house. During the day the windows are open. In the late afternoon some days open windows are fine on other days the A/C gets put on. In the evening it is either open windows or the fireplace. The fireplace heats all of the living area of the house. I like to sleep "cold" so the central heat is rarely turned on.

Really crazy. Fireplace, open windows and sometimes A/C all in the same day.

With my lovely southern live oak gone the back side of the house is both warmer and colder. I have some serious adjustments to make regarding my patio plants.

Thanksgiving is over. Hope you all had a very blessed day. I spent my Thanksgiving with family in the woods. We rented 2 lodges at Chicot State Park Sunday through Wednesday. Thursday we went to dinner at a local restaurant then retired to my Sister's home for coffee, desert and fellowship.

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Usually, we are somewhat isolated from the rest of the US. If weather is shared across the Rockies, it comes from here first.

In general, that doesn't seem to be happening right now. Along with much of the US, the temperatures have been unseasonably warm the last several weeks. There were a couple of December afternoons above 50°f. Several nights, there was no frost. That is all changing and we, along with many US locations, are moving on to more normal winter weather.

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It is the low 60's at night and around 76 in the daytime. In the day, it is fairly nice, but the nights and mornings are a bit chilly for me. When I am at work in the early morning I make a raincoat out of a 32 gallon garbage bag and it doubles as my sweater at least until about 9 a.m.

I know not really cold for most of you guys, but I am warm-blooded.

The weather can't decide what it wants to do. It rains with flash flood warnings for three days and then it is sunny for the rest of the week. Today we had Kona weather so no rain and very light winds but lots of vog leaving a haze over everything. The volcano has been erupting from the Puu 'o'o vent continuously since Jan 3, 1983 so the vog (volcanic smog) creates haze whenever the tradewinds fall off and the wind comes from the south. It is natural air pollution. It burns my eyes. It is supposed to rain again late in the week. The one thing that is consistent about the weather forecasts here. It is usually right when it is mostly sunny with the usual trades and windward and mauka showers, but I think the weather service use a Ouija board to forecast rain. Sometimes it comes, sometimes not, sometimes it is not as bad as predicted. Well, at least the surf reports are usually accurate.
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Such a wimp! We had that warm Christmas weather - warm meaning we had highs in the low 50's! Now the blast of Arctic air is coming back: Arctic Cold Returns to Wrap Up 2014: Dangerous Wind Chills Ahead for West, Midwest https://www.weather.com/forecast/nationa ... -northeast

"Wind chills to 20 below or colder could reach as far south as southeast Colorado, western Kansas, Iowa and western Wisconsin by early Tuesday. The combination of cold temperatures and winds may lead to frostbite on exposed skin in 30 minutes or less in these areas."

I am not in the bitterest cold part of that forecast, but we have very few hours with temps above freezing in our ten day forecast.
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This morning while I was on the way to work, the radio told me that the temperature with wind chill factored in was EIGHT degrees! I don't want to know, thanks anyway!
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Ah, but you don't know. Your houses are heated, and the walls and windows are insulated. The houses I saw actually had few windows and they were small.

No heat here except from my heating pad which I am using nightly and which my cats do not want to give up either.

Houses here are built lightly. Older houses are single wall, and roofs with wide overhangs would not hold up to the chill and snow well at all. Actually most of the home insurance covers snow damage. Nice of them to cover something that is very unlikely to happen! I have a lot of windows and glass doors, none of them are insulated. We have jalousie windows that are designed to let the maximum air in and keep things cooler especially in summer when the only other options are air conditioning, the mall, the movies, or the beach.

I have a couple of extra blankets for the bed and I wear my sweats over my clothes to sleep with. Winter gear is layering with long sleeved shirts ( I don't have many), long pants, sometimes two, and a jacket. I have a couple of area carpets but for the most part I have tile and pergo floors that are downright cold at this time of the year. It is probably the only time of the year, I consider wearing socks all day.

But you still win, eventually you have to go outside in that and I do is just shiver and tuck my very cold hands in my sleeves and put the blanket over my head to stay a little warmer when it drops to 49 degrees.
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imafan26 wrote: December and January is Big Surf and when the surfing competitions are held. The dates are dependent on surf conditions they have to be high and clean enough. On those days, traffic slows to a crawl especially since Kam Hwy is one lane in either direction.
We were there in January. The day we arrived waves were 35 feet, but we couldn't get to North shore to see them. The day we went waves were 25 feet and there were surfers out there. We (us and other mainlanders) were just watching from the beach at a distance from the shore. A lifeguard came racing down the beach on a four wheeler yelling at anyone who was standing on damp sand to get back onto totally dry sand. He was very urgent about it.
We were ignorant as to the unpredictability of the waves.
Even at 25 feet the waves were amazing.

On Kauai we were told not to step one foot into the water due to extremely strong currents that time of year. I relaxed all afternoon on a lounge chair, soaking up the sun and the sight of the beautiful deep blue water with whales breaching a little ways out. It was like heaven. :D

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Things are warming up! ... umm, for me.

Three days out - minimum temperatures, should update:

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Here comes the cold, wind and snow. Guess our month long of pretending we were in fla is over.

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It has been a crazy season. Some days are nearly normal with a brief shower, colder than usual, and sunny around 72 degrees which is normal for this time of year. Then a few days go by and a storm approaches and everything changes sometimes in just a few hours.

Last Friday the storm dropped most of the rain on Kaui and started to lift so we did not get as much rain as predicted. It rained and sometimes the rain was going sideways but it did not cause any flooding. The power did go out in places, but that happens pretty much every time it rains hard enough to get a couple of inches of rain on the street. The wind caused most of the damage.

My bathroom was was splattered with mud that came through the closed jealousie windows. When I went out in the morning it was cold but sunny and the wind had gone back to normal. In the intersection I saw a crepe myrtle with half of the branches broken and lying on the sidewalk, Monkeypod branches were littering the median and even some of the Norfolk pines lost a few branches. It looked like a mini hurricane had come through, the wind must have been gusting over 50 mph to do that. Thank goodness my roof did not lose any tiles.
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Here, it's currently 14°F with windchill/"feels like" of 1°F and forcast for overnight low is 8°F with windchill/"feels like" of MINUS 11°F

In the garage, temperature is hovering a few tenth's of degrees above freezing. The fig is covered and the banana is double layer covered, but I'm going to have to do something more before going to bed. Survive it or go dormant for the two Pineapple Sage plants that have stayed green and blooming until today, and the peppers that are already in dormant state.

I was going to pot up and bring in some of the peppers but life had other ideas.... :|
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I am not looking forward to going out there tomorrow! Fortunately, I got my rosemary covered Sun., when It was 62º out! Hopefully, the high hoop house will save them. I harvested a bunch of my greens, just in case, but they usually make it, no matter what.
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OMG ! Radio when I was going to work today said it was ZERO degrees and that was without counting in any windchill. We've been having overnight temps in negative numbers.

imafan I'm sure you are right that there is a difference in how houses are made and my house may be more cozy at 40 degrees than yours is at 60. But when you get down to zero and below it is a whole different story. My 90 year old house has drafts and air that cold finds every one. Pipes are now frozen in the downstairs bathroom.

And I do have to go out in it. I actually considered calling in sick to work today just not to have to go out in the cold, but I have too much work ethic for that. But it is scary cold out there. I drive a car with 200,000 miles on it. I keep thinking about what if the car would quit while I was out on the road? I could DIE before help could come!!! I need to start keeping blankets and stuff in my car.

Because I grew up in So California, I know that people in warm climates don't think about Nature being hostile. I hate the feeling that if you step outside the door without all the proper gear on, it could kill you in short order. Starting seeds and working with lights and plants is what saves my sanity through this time of year! :)
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Here in Southwest Louisiana at 7 am today it was 26 on my patio and 35 in my greenhouse, with the little heater running all night. I DO NOT like cold weather-it makes me cranky.
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It isn't that way here. We really have separated again from the part of the country east of the Rockies ..! Well, think of it this way: the weather in the West will likely reach other places on the continent before too long. It may mean some warming to your neighborhood.

Imafan, don't let your imagination run wild. By "not that way," I just mean it isn't below zero or even close to single digitS'. It's 33°f this afternoon after an overnight low of 30°. Foggy!

The international airport nearby has had 1/8th mile visibility today. I hope air travelers continue to have safe travels in & out or that sad face above won't be nearly sad enough.

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National Weather Service wind chill advisory for my county and a number of other Ohio counties:


This is National Weather Service wind chill advisory for Hamilton and other Ohio counties: ...WIND CHILL ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 PM EST
SATURDAY...

* WIND CHILL READINGS...AROUND 10 BELOW THIS AFTERNOON AND THEN AS
LOW AS 10 BELOW TO 20 BELOW TONIGHT INTO SATURDAY.


* IMPACTS...THE FRIGID CONDITIONS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE
VENTURING OUTSIDE. EXPOSURE MAY CAUSE FROSTBITE.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WIND CHILL ADVISORY IS ISSUED WHEN A STRONG WIND WILL COMBINE
WITH COLD TEMPERATURES TO CREATE DANGEROUSLY COLD CONDITIONS FOR
EXPOSED SKIN. THE WIND WILL MAKE IT FEEL LIKE IT IS BETWEEN
10 AND 24 DEGREES BELOW ZERO FOR A PERIOD OF SEVERAL HOURS. THOSE
PLANNING TO VENTURE OUTDOORS SHOULD USE COMMON SENSE AND DRESS
WARMLY... MAKING SURE THAT ALL EXPOSED SKIN IS COVERED.

basically be prepared to die if you set foot outside the door, which I am not planning to do today!
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lily51
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Location: Ohio, Zone 5

Re: Baby, its cold outside

In my part of Ohio, for two days
-8 with wind chill -25, some snowing, but with wind produced whiteouts. Now it's the cold that's the worse.

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