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Fifth bout with Kidney Stones-----Lucky Me

Last night just before midnight I got the all too familiar excruciating pains of a kidney stone. I've grown to recognize the symptoms and the associated pain that accompany this particular ailment all too well. Luckily for me the stone made its way through my system in only 5 1/2 hrs this time around, but boy, what a 5 1/2 hrs. it was. I feel blessed though since this one only lasted as long as it did. I had 2 that lasted about a week and 1 that took 2 weeks to pass.

I've now got a small collection of kidney stones and I really don't want to add to it. These little asteroid looking calcium deposits are one of the most painful things I've ever had to deal with. The two largest ones at 6mm and 7 mm put me in the hospital ER but they sent me home to pass them on my own-----------and I did, eventually.

I'm just curious how many others here have had similar experiences and what you did to help with the pain. Personally, I find lying in a hot tub of water helps ease the pain but that is only temporary. Short of hospital administered drugs, no OTC pain medication puts a dent in it.

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:( No experience, just hope you're doing better.

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Me too. Thinking of you and sending well thoughts....

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Wow... never experienced it, but I've heard it is an excruciating pain. So sorry. Can the medical profession explain why you keep getting them, when some people never do?
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rainbowgardener wrote:Wow... never experienced it, but I've heard it is an excruciating pain. So sorry. Can the medical profession explain why you keep getting them, when some people never do?
First, thanks to all for the good thoughts and well wishes. As for the medical profession's spin, it goes like this. I've had blood work and it did show my blood calcium levels are at 3+ times the normal level. This led to seeing a specialist since my primary care Dr. thought I might have Parathyroid problems.

That was confirmed via a nuclear scan over a year ago and I underwent surgery last summer to have 2 of the 4 Parathyroid glands removed. They monitored the calcium levels in my blood stream and prior to surgery they were at 27+. After the first gland was removed it dropped to 14+ and when the second gland was removed the level fell to right at 9.5 which I'm told is in the normal range.

Prior to surgery I had some huge stones that took a good bit of time to pass. Since the surgery I've had 2 episodes that passed in hours as opposed to days or weeks, so things are better, but not where I'd like them. Guess it's another trip to the Dr. to see what the calcium levels are looking like.

My wife works with a young lady who's husband has had over 30 episodes and he is not even out of his 20's. I almost feel blessed------almost.

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Marlingardener wrote:Gumbo, I'm so sorry you were in pain! Is there any change in diet that might help the calcium levels? I'll keep my fingers crossed that this was the last episode you'll have. Of course, that configuration is going to interfere with gardening, but for you, I'll do it!
Thanks for the good thoughts MG. That is my next question for the Dr. when I see her in a couple weeks. I'll have blood work done prior to seeing her and that will tell if my calcium levels are once again elevated.

I was really hoping the surgery was the end all do all for this, but it looks like it isn't. I will say this, the length of suffering has been cut drastically since the surgery and the 2 episodes post surgery have been just hours as opposed to days or weeks.

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I have never had one, knock wood. My best friend had one years ago and it was the most painful experience for him he said. I hope you are felling better.

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So sorry to hear that more of us have experience with knock-down, drag-out serious pain, from whatever cause. :(

Not only does the attack itself agonize, but you're exhausted from the struggle for a couple of days afterwards; a week or longer, depending on the length of the struggle. Ask me how I know (not kidney stones...).

Has anyone medical mentioned lithotripsy to you yet? I *think* this is the fancy word for "ultrasound used to smash the little devils into smithereens so they pass easily."

Best wishes for NO MORE EPISODES. ::fingers crossed::

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cynthia_h wrote:So sorry to hear that more of us have experience with knock-down, drag-out serious pain, from whatever cause. :(

Not only does the attack itself agonize, but you're exhausted from the struggle for a couple of days afterwards; a week or longer, depending on the length of the struggle. Ask me how I know (not kidney stones...).

Has anyone medical mentioned lithotripsy to you yet? I *think* this is the fancy word for "ultrasound used to smash the little devils into smithereens so they pass easily."

Best wishes for NO MORE EPISODES. ::fingers crossed::

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Yes, I've heard of the ultrasound method of breaking these little monsters up but since I've passed the ones I've already had, the medical pros seem to be hesitant to use it. There have been instances where they get stuck in the urinary tract and they use an instrument inserted in an area I don't even want to think about inserting anything to venture in the urinary tract and grab on to it for removal. Think of it as a medical claw machine and the prize is a kidney stone. The mere thought of that procedure makes my skin crawl.


You are right, I was exhausted all day yesterday and sudden movements caused me some discomfort. I'm much better today, so much so, I cut my grass and worked in the garden.

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I'm sorry to hear about your bout with kidney stones.

My husband recently underwent Lithotripsy for stones in both kidneys. They did one kidney, x-ray-ed 2 weeks after, and then did the other kidney. They were too large to pass.

He had to give up rhubarb and spinach for good. Two of his favorite things but he couldn't take getting the stones every couple of months.

Good luck! I hope that's it for you.

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I had kidney stones three times with a two month period last winter. Every time was so bad I landed in the ER.
So I know where you are with the stones...
I'm no Dr. but since you are still having problems.. I thought I'd suggest this.

No doubt you drink lots of water; that helps.
But when you have test done next time,.. have them check your uric acid. It is commonly associated with gout... but can also cause Kidney stones.
That what was causing mine... one pill a day takes care of it 100%
It's always worth a shot to ask..??
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gumbo2176.................Oh can my daughter and I ever relate to your pain!!!! Apparently it can be diet related, hereditary and lack of drinking enough water. Mine is diet related. No more spinach or Rhubarb for me, or a lot of other things, plus I have to drink lots of water daily. My daughters seems to be stress related. She "IF" you can call it lucky, manages to pass her's, but is in the hospital by that point............We looked at one they gave her once, under a microscope, they look just like that round fruit with all the spikes sticking out all over it. NO wonder it hurts!! My attacks ended up in surgery. First one was huge and couldn't be passed, also my right kidney was starting to shut down, so ended up in emergency surgery. Next one 13 yrs later, also huge, wasn't going to pass, also too far down to laser blast it by then. So went to one hospital to have that operation where they have a scoop thing?? to get them. But they couldn't get it. So had to wait and go to another hospital and have the same procedure, this time it worked......As for pain, well It's so hard to describe, it hurts SO bad that you really don't know what to do. But with both my daughter and I, we always ended up in ER. We both have a high pain tolerance, but this was just too much for either one of us. Thank Goodness for amazing drugs, to kill, or deaden the pain. Yes, you are exhausted after, it's just such an excruciating pain, your body is just plain worn out. So I REALLY don't envy you at all. I hope you can get it under control. That pain is un-bearable. :( Good Luck with your Dr.

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Thanks to all for the encouraging words and advice. Pickupguy, I'll have the Uric Acid levels checked next time I go to give a blood sample. I do have a cholesterol issue that I monitor through blood work several times a year and they run a pretty detailed analysis.

I figured there would be a few folks here that could offer some advice on this situation and once again, you didn't fail. I feel great today, so much so, I went to the local blood bank and donated double red cells to be used at the local Children's Hospital. I told them about my recent kidney stone bout and they said as long as I didn't receive any narcotics, I was good to go.

To tell the truth, the folks in the ER's do have some good stuff to ease the pain------and I was tempted. Glad I didn't since it passed in a little over 5 hrs. and I don't have that bill to face since I haven't put a dent in my deductible.

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gumbo2176-------Thankfully our medical covers that. Or both my daughter and I would have been in big trouble! It gets so bad!!! Good Luck with things. :)

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Kidney Stone diet

Been awhile since the last post but figure you (or others) might be interested in knowing diet plays a roll in kidney stone formation. I have not had a problem with kidney stones, but I collect medical articles. I know soda can cause kidney stones to form. Since you keep having them I suggest you eat as healthy as you can, avoid soft drinks, and search online for into concerning diet and kidney stones.

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And sometimes, even those who eat the most trendy, natural, healthy diet full of fresh veggies, fruits, etc., may simply be victims of a bad genetic deck of cards.

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cynthia..........You are Very right, it can be hereditary, seems to run in our family, but only in us two women ( rest of the family are guys, lucky them) When I first got a kidney stone attack, I really thought only men got them.

Sure was wrong on that account too! I think I even asked the doctor that, I honestly can't blame him, he did have to laugh. I know it was the way I asked, I was so sure! LOL!!! :oops:

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Re: Fifth bout with Kidney Stones-----Lucky Me

gumbo2176 wrote:Last night just before midnight I got the all too familiar excruciating pains of a kidney stone...I'm just curious how many others here have had similar experiences and what you did to help with the pain.
Never had stones but this MAY help. Recently I had my first kidney infection ever. Since I avoid doctors at all costs, I began researching herbal remedies. I drank the juice of five lemons a day, and within 4 or 5 days was totally back to normal. I simply juiced up one lemon at a time and drank it with water. This much water flushes the kidneys, the lemon is antibacterial and what I'm thinking is that the acid just might help dissolve the stones, or prevent them from forming in the first place. Worth a try, can't do a bit of harm! javascript:emoticon(':P')

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How's this for a kicker. I had another bout last night that lasted well into the early a.m. Seems I had 2 stones pass through my system last weekend and only passed one of them. Last nigh about midnight I got the all too familiar urge to have a nature call. Only thing was, as bad as it felt I needed to go, I could have spit harder. Once again, it wasn't until around 5 a.m. that the offending stone finally passed my system.


At least it wasn't preceded by excruciating pain this time around. I do have an appointment with my Dr. in a couple weeks to see if we can get this thing under control.

Again, thanks for all the suggestions, advice and sympathies. These things are rough.

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Gumbo, have you had any tests done so they can see the stones in your kidney's? My husband has had stones off and on for 25 years and the past six months were particularly bad and frequent. He finally went back to the urologist (and hubby is an MD - it's true, they are the worse patients) and after some testing found he had some really large stones that were not going to pass without the risk of blockage. They did see a bunch of smaller stones, too. It would just give you an idea of what's going on.

Hang in there! For some reason they always move at night and you are especially miserable and tired.

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I have no experience with this, but you have my sympathies!!

The most popular remedy on Earth Clinic (.com) is to drink equal amounts of lemon juice and olive oil. The lemon juice helps dissolve the stone so it is smoother, and the olive oil lubricates so it'll pass easier. Very simple, low cost remedy to passing it with less pain. No help about the cause of them, though. My FIL gest them from eating cranberries.

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