Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:18 pm
Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:30 pm
DoubleDogFarm wrote:... I will not get in a pissing match with someone who is a much more eloquent writer than me. Your teaching skills show load and clear. If you are retired, you shouldn't be. It's obvious you need the mental challenge.
Maybe farmerlon will take your challenge. ...
Sat Apr 16, 2011 2:29 pm
Dixana wrote: The change in what is used where and how needs to come from the people not the government. If we wait for the government here in the US to step in half the animal population will be exstinct and cancer and other sickness will be more rampant than it is now The government is concerned with money and jobs before anything else. Shutting down and/or forcing change on a huge corporation like Scotts/Monsanto would be immensely costly in several ways.
Dixana wrote:The only reason the government got all crazy with BPA in plastic (just one example) is because of the sheer volume of revenue produced when Americans panicked and went rushing out to buy new tupperware, baby bottles, drinking bottles, etc etc.
Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:31 am
Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:02 am
Dixana wrote:Organic is cheap, can be done 100% at home with proper preparation and is not what the government wants. The people to be self sufficient?
Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:05 pm
Handsomeryan wrote: Don't get me wrong, I think some of the things Monsanto does are terrible but they have also contribute a lot to modern agriculture and keeping food cheap. Imagine if your food cost 2-3 [maybe more] times what it does now, what would you have to give up in order to feed yourself?
As for organic methods, I think it's a shame that people won't try a little harder to educate themselves about GMO's before dismissing them. I manage a research greenhouse and one of the things we are working on is tomatoes that are modified to be resistant to powdery mildew. The scientists have successfully transformed arabidopsis to be almost completely resistant but before they go any further they are spending years (and a LOT of money) studying exactly what genes they changed, why it works, how it works, and what other effect the modification of those genes have. If the goal is to stop spraying chemicals then we should embrace plants that do not need to be sprayed.
Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:39 pm
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As for organic methods, I think it's a shame that people won't try a little harder to educate themselves about GMO's before dismissing them.
Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:56 pm
webmaster wrote:there is so much information and misinformation out there that it might take more than trying to influence public opinion.
Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:02 pm
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Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:40 pm
Marlingardener wrote:Lordy, Charlie, MG is Miracle Gro! No relation, not kin that I know of, and like most of the kin I do know of, I wouldn't claim it with a prize attached.
Yours faithfully,
Marlingardener
Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:47 am
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Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:08 am
Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:16 am
Handsomeryan wrote:... No one is stopping you from having an organic garden in your back yard but to feed the world population organic gardening is not efficient. It is more expensive and labor intensive and still has lower yields. The low cost of conventionally farmed foods is what has allowed us as Americans to enjoy such a high quality of living...
Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:36 am
Charlie MV wrote:Stella, when I played "The Old Rugged Cross" on my harmonica my dog would give me the exact same look and head tip as the dog in your picture. Then she would sing [howl] along.
Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:57 pm
Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:49 pm
Charlie MV wrote:Soooo, you never tried to teach him to sing? It's been proven by scientists [somewhere] that singing dogs participate in fewer mock attacks.
Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:05 pm
Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:22 pm
Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:42 am
Charlie MV wrote:Soooo, you never tried to teach him to sing? It's been proven by scientists [somewhere] that singing dogs participate in fewer mock attacks.
Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:21 am
Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:46 am
cynthia_h wrote: I should think the self-evident logic of [Charlie MV's] statement would stand on its own. For shame, Stella.... Although I do thank you for the supporting information from the Weimaraner Inst. Who could impugn Rin Tin Les?!
However:
If a dog is singing ("singing dogs"), it is incapable of participating in a mock attack ("participate in fewer mock attacks"). Singing requires good breath and diaphragmatic support, functions which are essential in mock attacks. Tsk, tsk.![]()
cynthia_h wrote:OK. Back to the original subject of this discourse:
Farmers in the Punjab have stated that they cannot continue with the industrial, Western ways which have polluted their groundwater and dried up their soil, yielding a wasteland (source: National Geographic):
Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:51 am
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Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:45 pm
tedln wrote: Was it George Orwell or Ayn Rand who first wrote about the evils of "Group Think"?
Ted
Tue May 10, 2011 8:38 pm
stella1751 wrote:I need to be educated to what Monsanto has done. I've never studied its methods. Although I feel guilty buying my bag of MG each year (I'll be purchasing the 2011 bag on Monday), I'm not sure why I feel guilty.
Tue May 10, 2011 9:35 pm
stella1751 wrote:
I need to be educated to what Monsanto has done. I've never studied its methods. Although I feel guilty buying my bag of MG each year (I'll be purchasing the 2011 bag on Monday), I'm not sure why I feel guilty.
As a forum n00b I'm a bit frightened to post this , but since the debate's already raging, I'll go ahead.
PSA: Miracle Gro Garden Soil for Flowers and Vegetables is on special at Home Depot for $4.77 per 2 cf bag. That's less than the standard price for the 1 cf bag. The 2 cf bag is normally $7.77.
Anyway I just went out and bought a few bags. I won't tell anyone how many . I'm going to go hide from the torches and pitchforks now.
Tue May 10, 2011 11:07 pm