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Apple,

I thought of you yesterday while re-reading the Sept. 2008 issue of National Geographic. That issue was entitled "Where Food Begins". In the front part of the magazine they have an aerial photo of one section of Boston. The photo demonstrates the fact that in some communities, community gardens have taken over the suburban landscape. I guess that is part of "communities going green". That issue also deals a little with "purchasing locally" and
"growing your own".

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Mr. administator, I agree with your comments about the inherent risks involved with nuclear power plants, I am however more afraid of the "nutter" texting while he is driving on the same highway as me, but going in the opposite direction. I'm more concerned about the "nutter" airline pilot who will appear on the national news after he decides to find out if an all instrument landing is really possible in bad weather, with a full load of passengers.

I watched a guy demonstrate a portable nuclear reactor on an old television show called "I've Got A Secret" or "Whats My Line". The little reactors his company planned on building could be purchased at Sears just like a washing machine or clothes dryer. They were designed to be installed in your home and would supply a homes electricity for years. The crowd in the studio was wildly excited and enthusiastic to purchase one.

And then Three Mile Island occurred and "China Syndrome" was released. The word "nuclear" became such a hot button issue that merely uttering it could send people into a apoplectic fit. I can't remember, but how many people were actually injured at "Three Mile Island"?

We have some huge problems with the use of nuclear energy, but even some totally green people are getting on board with the modern design reactors. I think a consensus is building that if you really want to go green for power generation, nuclear is the most responsible way to go.

We still have to go back in time and figure out what to do with all that nuclear waste sitting on the other side of tall fences in peoples back yards. It's been sitting there for years while the containers rust away. We once had a place to store it. All the scientists had agreed the safest place to put all that waste was in a big hole dug into Yucca mountain in Nevada. The residents of Nevada had been so excited to get all the jobs associated with digging that big hole, but when the hole was dug and the digging jobs were gone, they decided they didn't really want all of that waste stuff. They prefer to just keep a big empty hole. The country has no other place to put the waste. We are not going to dig a another hole just for the fun of it. Guess what Nevada, the country will eventually wake up and decide they don't won't those rusty cans of nuclear waste sitting on the other side of the fence from their kids. A presidential directive will have trainloads of nuclear waste heading your way with a National Guard escort.

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Small scale nuclear power plants. I am not sure this is a good idea. :shock:

[url]https://www.greenpacks.org/2010/03/24/terrapower-wants-small-scale-nuclear-reactors-for-home-use/[/url]

[url]https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/nuclear/4273386[/url]

[url]https://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hyperion's_Small-Scale_Nuclear_Reactors[/url]

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tomf wrote:Small scale nuclear power plants. I am not sure this is a good idea. :shock:

[url]https://www.greenpacks.org/2010/03/24/terrapower-wants-small-scale-nuclear-reactors-for-home-use/[/url]

[url]https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/nuclear/4273386[/url]

[url]https://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Hyperion's_Small-Scale_Nuclear_Reactors[/url]
Yep, I'm not sure either. But there is very little I am sure about. I always believe anything made by man will fail eventually. I look for things that perform the task they were designed for and have the lowest probability of failure. Small scale reactors may be the answer, but I don't think so. I don't think any nuclear reactor is the answer until we answer the question of what to do with the waste.

I'm sitting back waiting for a small hole to erode in the top of a rusty nuclear waste container in someones neighborhood. Rainwater will enter the container from the top and exit through a small rust hole at the bottom of the container. It will then flow across a parking lot to a storm drain. An entire neighborhood will wake up with radioactive particles emitting gamma rays and then the local river gets it and the lake downstream gets it.

The next day all of the news media have their cameras and microphones stuck in the face of the local plant supervisor asking how he can sleep at night knowing what he has done to this community. It doesn't matter that he and his company have been asking congress for years to allow them to store the waste in that big hole in Nevada.

Harry Reid will be demonstrating choreographed fits of rage on national television as he complains about his state getting the shaft from the country. Of course a few billion dollars in additional federal grants to Nevada will make everyone feel better about taking the waste from the rest of the country.

Would this scenario make a good movie?

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Out here in California every election features ballot measures for bonds to support our schools or police or fire department. They always are approved, always, because we have the threat of more crime or no teachers hung over our heads. But those are loans! Why isn't our tax money supporting that? Because they're diverting the tax money elsewhere and they figure it would be easier to borrow to support those services than it would to borrow to pay the interest on the existing debt and exhorbitant pension plans. We were scammed.

Many companies made billions building prisons. It was expedient for politicians to get elected by promising to get tough on crime by building more prisons while receiving millions of dollars in campaign contributions from construction related businesses. Yes prisons created jobs. But today we spend more money on prisons than we do on schools. Today we house more prisoners by any measure than any other country on earth. Today our education system is among the worst in the world. If we had spent the past decades funding schools instead of prisons we wouldn't need so many prisons. It was a scam. We were scammed.

This idea that Nuclear Energy is green is in my opinion the same kind of scam. The greenest thing about nuclear energy is the color of the billions of dollars many stand to make with it. In the long term regular people like you and I come out worse. Many established and politically connected businesses like Westinghouse, General Electric, and Bechtel stand to make billions of dollars building nuclear reactors. They won't make that kind of money with safer green technologies, not the margins they stand to make in nuclear. Where do you think those billions will come from? Same place it always comes from, us. Utility companies stand to make a fortune sticking us with the bill as well. It's a win-win for the construction and energy companies and a [url=https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/16/obama-nuclear-plant-presi_n_463754.html]win-win for politicians[/url] who will crow about the jobs nuclear energy will create while lining their pockets with campaign contributions. How can politicians label nuclear energy green while the federal government is closing down the spent rod dumps and is proposing that nuclear waste be stored locally? It's cynical to call nuclear energy green. We're getting scammed yet again.

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"Today our education system is among the worst in the world. If we had spent the past decades funding schools instead of prisons we wouldn't need so many prisons. It was a scam. We were scammed."

Mr. Webmaster, I agree with you. Sounds like the same song being sung by many states and communities. Now would you please define the term "funding schools" for me. Seems like here in Texas, we spend enormous amounts of money to "fund schools" and raise that amount every year. We spend more money per student than almost any modern country and the drop out rate and student failure rate increases every year. How do you envision additional education funds improving education?

Here in Texas, we have plenty of good school buildings. We have enough well educated teachers to maintain minimum class sizes in most school districts. I can't figure out where those additional funds are needed here.

For many, many years here in Texas, we had what was termed "The Robin Hood Law". Since education was funded by property tax, the wealthier school districts had to pay for most of the education costs of the less wealthy school districts. In the last ten years, almost every little town of 300 or 400 people and every larger town got new school buildings, football and track fields, band uniforms, school buses, and considerably improved teacher pay. The education results at every level continue to decline.

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Well, recently, they insisted that we HAD to have artificial turf for the athletic fields.... :roll:

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Ted,
There are numerous things about the Texas education system that are controversial and debatable. But I think to discuss it in detail is outside of the scope of this discussion, which is Green Investments. I would rather not contribute to topic drift. ;)

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I agree. I was just commenting or asking a question about your comment. No disrespect or topic drift intended.

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Education starts at home, your parents set the tone and do the biggest part of teaching. If you do not come to school with the right tools and attatude the school system will not be able to teach you. This is the biggest reason for failure in the school system; IMHO. There have been many studies that show the correlation between kids who's parents read and read with them to the kids doing well in school. So the best thing any one can do is to read your self and to read to and with your children.

Back to green investments, I am going to put a new metal roof on my house that has a "cool paint" on it. I need to order the metal before Dec. 31 to get the tax credit from the Feds. The tax credit for energy efficiency runs out on Dec. 31.

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tedln wrote:Apple, I thought of you yesterday while re-reading the Sept. 2008 issue of National Geographic.
Aww... you thought of me. :D I've done that too about different members of this forum, you included. It's kind of amazing and wonderful that we're making this kind of connection across the miles. "My neighborhood" is getting bigger. :wink:
(I'll see if I can find that issue 8) )

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Yea sure you did. You probably hit the wrong buttons on your remote control and got Fox News and thought of me. :( :shock: :D

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