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VR6 Mk3,

Good for you, you have made it past the first winter. That is a significant milestone for new growers. Do you feel better now about having kept it cool for the winter?
1. Is it too early to move it outside if there is still a chance of the temp going below freezing?
No it is not too early for your tree to be outside mine all are as well. Junipers are pretty hardy so unless we (I'm near Pittsburgh) get a really bad cold snap I would not worry too much about it. A few hours at, or near, freezing will not harm it. If you are really concerned you can move it in at night if it is predicted to get really cold.

Here is a link to the National Weather Service's forecast for your area, bookmark this link. I refer to it daily. If you scroll down and look to the right of the page you will see a link to an hourly weather graph that I find useful.

I may shelter some of my things tomorrow night, primarily things that have re-potted recently. I'll wait until Sunday afternoon and check the hourly forecast to make the decision.
2. I know that it's very possible that it won't get enough water from rain, and that I need to check frequently if it's getting enough water. However, in this spring rainy season, is it possible for it to get TOO MUCH water? Is there anything I should do about that?
I would not worry too much about that unless your tree is in a really heavily organic mix (we have not yet discussed growing mediums have we?) or you are getting steady rains for several days. I have my plants in a free draining mix so this is never an issue for me. The only plant I shelter from rain is my Chinese Elm that develops a fungus if the new, tender foliage is exposed to rain early in the spring.

The location seems fine, outside with good sun and close enough to care for and enjoy. What is that structure it is on? That would seem to be a suitable location for shade lovers like Azaleas.

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Gnome wrote:Good for you, you have made it past the first winter. That is a significant milestone for new growers. Do you feel better now about having kept it cool for the winter?
I'm glad that it seems to still be healthy, I was worried about the garage being cold enough for it.
I would not worry too much about that unless your tree is in a really heavily organic mix (we have not yet discussed growing mediums have we?)
I don't really know what the soil is, it's just whatever it came to me with.
What is that structure it is on? That would seem to be a suitable location for shade lovers like Azaleas.
It's just the "roof" of my back porch.

Thanks again for the advice!

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Congratulations on making it through your first winter. I am surprised by the apparent quality of your tree. The trunk looks to be a nice size unlike most mallsai. Any chance we could get a close up pic so we could see the potential?

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Yes - good job!

Nice pictures and it looks like a very nice tree!

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That's good to hear. I'll take some more photos when I get a chance.

And thanks for the compliments. I don't normally focus on plant photography, but here are a few that I've done recently:

https://www.overdrivephoto.com/Galleries/PlantCloseups/PlantCloseups.html

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I still haven't gotten a chance to take pics, but I will soon.

I was wondering though, what is my goal with this tree (other than keeping it healthy and alive)? Do I keep clipping it regularly to maintain the current shape and size? Do I let it grow freely for a long time and then reshape it? Do I want it to get much bigger, or keep the same size?

I know that some of these things are up to each individual, but I wanted to have some goal in mind.

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VR6 Mk3,
what is my goal with this tree
That is, as they say, the $64,000.00 question. There is a well known saying that states that small bonsai don't become large bonsai. Larger trees are collected or grown out over a period of years or decades to increase the trunk size. Probably the best thing is to enjoy it for what it is. Consider it a training tree, with you being the one trained. :wink: Learn how to pinch it and how to fertilize and re-pot as required. That way you will be better prepared when you seek your next tree.

That is not to say you cannot improve what you have just don't expect a grand old tree with lots of deadwood. Look at as many pictures as you can find. Study the tree carefully before you make any drastic changes. From the pictures it looks as though it could be thinned a bit. I mean actually removing some branches rather than simply pinching, the canopy seems a little crowded. It is difficult for anyone to make those decisions for you from a few pictures.

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Gnome wrote:That is, as they say, the $64,000.00 question.
Yeah, I know that it's something I would need to figure out based on personal preference, etc etc. I just wanted a general guideline of what I should be doing with this tree. It's already got what the tree company thought was a good shape, and I think it looks pretty cool. I'm just wondering as it grows more branches, and the current ones grow longer, should I be constantly cutting it back to maintain it's current shape? Should I cut it back now? Should I let it grow fully? Does it not matter, and it's whatever I feel like?

Here are a few more pics:
[img]https://www.maxpowered.com/images/VR6Mk3/Plants/DSC_5236.jpg[/img]

[img]https://www.maxpowered.com/images/VR6Mk3/Plants/DSC_5237.jpg[/img]

[img]https://www.maxpowered.com/images/VR6Mk3/Plants/DSC_5238.jpg[/img]

[img]https://www.maxpowered.com/images/VR6Mk3/Plants/DSC_5239.jpg[/img]

[img]https://www.maxpowered.com/images/VR6Mk3/Plants/DSC_5240.jpg[/img]

[img]https://www.maxpowered.com/images/VR6Mk3/Plants/DSC_5241.jpg[/img]

[img]https://www.maxpowered.com/images/VR6Mk3/Plants/DSC_5243.jpg[/img]

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VR6 Mk3,

It's really difficult to make any meaningful suggestions like this but one thing I notice that seems unusual is the way that the branch/branches curve back on themselves in a sort of horse-shoe effect. Look for a new shoot that you can prune back to eliminating the strange growth pattern. It is possible that I am mistaken in what I am seeing so use your own judgment.

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I have to agree with Norm about the "horseshoes". Further, though, it looks like al of the new growth is restricted to the ends of these "horseshoes" which would, from what I can see, make "fixing" the "problem" very difficult. You might just want to resign yourself to this being a tree you can enjoy and shape in your own fashion rather than relying on traditional design principles.

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I'm having trouble viewing your pics, they wont load, do you think you could resize them?

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Tom,

I can't see them now either but they worked earlier. Perhaps it is a temporary issue with the host, check back later.

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Yeah, the host is down for some reason.

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Hi, I haven't posted in a while as things have been going well with the Bonsai. Lately though, I've noticed a portion of it beginning to look slightly brown. It's still mostly green, but maybe not quite as bright of a green, and a few areas the "leaves" are light brown, especially closer to the branches.

Is this normal/acceptable? It went below freezing a bunch of times recently, and now it's back up into the 70s. If it's not normal, what can I do to try to help the tree? Perhaps I haven't been watering it enough?

Also, I need to start researching how to prepare for winter. Any suggestions are welcome, but I'll check the stickies on this site.

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A pic would help greatly here for extent of browning. It is not unusual for junipers to slowly brown the inner needles as they age, especially if they are heavily shaded from the outer layers of growth. It is when the whole thing slowly browns that it becomes an issue.

It is also not unusual for many junipers to kinda go brownish/purple (varying degrees) when weather gets colder. Degree of color change is variable between individual plants.

For winter protection, burying the pot and/or rootball will be enough protection for most any juniper. You do need to get that done sooner, rather than later, unless you enjoy being 'late' for things, LOL... ;-)

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I will take some pics this weekend. I've been out of town for the past week (my room mate/rain have been watering it while I was gone).

Just bury, no worry for covering the plant? Thanks!

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All you need to 'protect' is the roots. The above-ground portions of pretty much all Junipers can withstand some pretty cold temps by design. If/when they get snow-covered, they are rather safe as the snow insulates.

So, yeah, just burying pot is fine. you can also place it into a much larger pot and backfill with mulch or whatever and insulate *that* pot in-ground or wherever. Make sense?

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Thanks for the tips!

I took some photos today, please let me know if you have any advice for me.

Here are some of the brown areas. I tried to adjust the white balance as best I could to show the true color. Please let me know if this browning is normal before winter, or if the plant is sick. The part of the tree that was facing the house is definitely greener, and the whole thing has definitely lost a lot of color compared to the spring:

[img]https://www.overdrivephoto.com/images/BonsaiNov2008/images/DSC_3571.jpg[/img]

[img]https://www.overdrivephoto.com/images/BonsaiNov2008/images/DSC_3580.jpg[/img]

[img]https://www.overdrivephoto.com/images/BonsaiNov2008/images/DSC_3574.jpg[/img]

Also, I've buried the pot in my garden for the winter and covered it with soil. Please let me know if I've chosen a good location:
[img]https://www.overdrivephoto.com/images/BonsaiNov2008/images/DSC_3584.jpg[/img]

[img]https://www.overdrivephoto.com/images/BonsaiNov2008/images/DSC_3590.jpg[/img]

I've also posted some more photos here if that helps:
https://www.overdrivephoto.com/images/BonsaiNov2008/index.html

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Wow, planted it in the ground, and the next morning it's snowing out. Hopefully I did it just at the right time?

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VR6 Mk3,

I think you have done fine as far as the location is concerned. Now that I see it the overall color of the tree concerns me somewhat but it may just be the lighting. I take it that you have not re-potted it yet. In reviewing this thread I assumed you were going to do so this past spring.

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Gnome wrote:VR6 Mk3,

I think you have done fine as far as the location is concerned. Now that I see it the overall color of the tree concerns me somewhat but it may just be the lighting. I take it that you have not re-potted it yet. In reviewing this thread I assumed you were going to do so this past spring.

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Thanks! I quickly re-read the thread, and I didn't see anything about re-potting it? I've had the tree for less than a year, and everything I've read says to re-pot every 2 years or so.

If the color is a concern, is there anything that I can do at this point to help it out?

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ynot wrote:
VR6 Mk3 wrote:Also, sorry another question. It came in a plastic pot currently. Am I correct to assume that a ceramic pot would be better, but that I'm better off to leave it alone, and not to repot it until the spring?
'Better' is a question of aesthetics but that aside...Spring is a far more appropriate time for a repot than now.
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Emphasis mine.

I had assumed this meant you intended to re-pot this past spring. While a two year cycle would certainly not be too infrequent I would have liked to see it in a better medium by now.

when I got my Juniper it was borderline too late to re-pot so I left it the first year but the first order of business the following spring was to get it into a nearly 100% inorganic medium. I used approx 50% Haydite/50% Lava with just a touch of bark.

This may be part of your problem, Junipers don't like 'wet feet' perhaps the water retentive nature of the soil has caught up with it.
https://www.overdrivephoto.com/images/BonsaiNov2008/pages/DSC_3579.html

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Gnome wrote:I had assumed this meant you intended to re-pot this past spring. While a two year cycle would certainly not be too infrequent I would have liked to see it in a better medium by now.

when I got my Juniper it was borderline too late to re-pot so I left it the first year but the first order of business the following spring was to get it into a nearly 100% inorganic medium. I used approx 50% Haydite/50% Lava with just a touch of bark.

This may be part of your problem, Junipers don't like 'wet feet' perhaps the water retentive nature of the soil has caught up with it.
https://www.overdrivephoto.com/images/BonsaiNov2008/pages/DSC_3579.html

Norm
Sorry, when you said later that the type of pot (plastic vs. ceramic) is not so important, I thought that meant that I didn't need to repot. I didn't realize the soil was not ok. I actually thought the opposite may have been true, and the tree wasn't getting enough water.

I will now plan new soil for NEXT spring. Is there anything else that I can do between now and then to help the situation?

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FWIW, ditto to what 'gnome' has said. I, too, think its a bit brownish, but possibly the lighting/camera issue(s). I now my camera sucks at 'true' color. Location is good, and snow is fortuitous as well. Just keep it from staying 'soggy'; dryness is not likely an issue being a Juniperus, IMO ;-)

Definitely repot just before it starts its awakening come Spring '09. Otherwise, gut feeling says it will be toast (same color, too, LOL)...

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Thanks guys. I will keep that in mind.

Anything I can do to keep it from getting too soggy over the winter? I can control how much water I give, but not precipitation. I think the spot that it's in at least will stay somewhat drier than other parts of the yard.



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