I am debating on buying a tree from this seller on ebay.. maybe this exact tree.. what do you think? does this sellers trees look healthy?
and I noticed that the leaves on this elm are considerbly smaller than other chinese elms.. why? is it a different species of chinese elm?
I actually like the smaller leaves.. makes it look more like a minature tree
thanks for the input guys.. I really appreciate it
I'm not too familiar with Chinese elms, so I can't say much for sure. The seller looks to be reputable, so I'm sure you won't have a problem buying from him, if you do decide you want the tree.and I noticed that the leaves on this elm are considerbly smaller than other chinese elms.. why? is it a different species of chinese elm?
As for value, once again I don't really have a frame of reference, because I have never purchased a Chinese Elm, and I don't want to give you uneducated imput.
Good Luck,
Joe
I Just noticed, the shipping is $15. So really the tree will cost you about $60.
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Ken,
It seems reasonably helathy and is one of his better Elms, I like this one as much, if not more.
His others are a bit too contorted/contrived for my taste. See what I meant about the exaggerated bends?
Wether either of these trees is worth the $60.00 or so that it will take to purchase it is a personal choice. I think you could do better but I was unable to locate anything specific. I overpaid for my first one and ended up re-working the whole thing anyway.
Being it is getting so late in the year perhaps you could wait until spring and take the opportunity to locate a better tree.
[url=https://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elmleavesnq3.jpg][img]https://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2779/elmleavesnq3.th.jpg[/img][/url]
Norm
It seems reasonably helathy and is one of his better Elms, I like this one as much, if not more.
His others are a bit too contorted/contrived for my taste. See what I meant about the exaggerated bends?
Wether either of these trees is worth the $60.00 or so that it will take to purchase it is a personal choice. I think you could do better but I was unable to locate anything specific. I overpaid for my first one and ended up re-working the whole thing anyway.
Being it is getting so late in the year perhaps you could wait until spring and take the opportunity to locate a better tree.
All Chnese Elms are Ulmus parvifolia, this is the species. There are different variaties or cultivars though.I noticed that the leaves on this elm are considerbly smaller than other chinese elms.. why? is it a different species of chinese elm?
[url=https://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elmleavesnq3.jpg][img]https://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2779/elmleavesnq3.th.jpg[/img][/url]
Norm
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Ken,
Not bonsai,but the prices seem fair. Do you have any interest in working your own tree or are you looking exclusively for a 'finished' tree?
[url]https://www.forestfarm.com/search/closeup.asp?PlantID=ulpa050[/url]
Although they are not listed on his site I believe that Brent at EverGreen Garden Works has larger Elms as well. I have no idea of the cost. Everything I have read about his service indicates that he will do what he can to help you if he can.
[url]https://www.evergreengardenworks.com/index.htm[/url]
Norm
Not bonsai,but the prices seem fair. Do you have any interest in working your own tree or are you looking exclusively for a 'finished' tree?
[url]https://www.forestfarm.com/search/closeup.asp?PlantID=ulpa050[/url]
Although they are not listed on his site I believe that Brent at EverGreen Garden Works has larger Elms as well. I have no idea of the cost. Everything I have read about his service indicates that he will do what he can to help you if he can.
[url]https://www.evergreengardenworks.com/index.htm[/url]
Norm
Healthy...Yeah, Assuming the picture is recent. I also think you could do better for your investment though...kenb wrote:
I am debating on buying a tree from this seller on ebay.. maybe this exact tree.. what do you think? does this sellers trees look healthy?
While there are types of cultivars that have smaller leaves I think there are other factors in play here that lead to leaf reduction... See here: https://www.evergreengardenworks.com/leafsize.htmand I noticed that the leaves on this elm are considerbly smaller than other chinese elms.. why? is it a different species of chinese elm?
I actually like the smaller leaves.. makes it look more like a minature tree
This is not an advertisement... But... Here is one of many other shopping options for you: https://www.hollowcreekbonsai.com/productCat72214.ctlg
ynot
for gnome.. yes I think I would like a tree with some substantial age to it.. and with good shape that I can work with.. these trees that he has say to be around 10 yrs old.. the other one or two I was looking at were these
https://www.miamitropicalbonsai.com/chinese_elm.htm the one that is $48.00 and $9 to ship
https://www.brusselsbonsai.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/chinese_elm.htm and this one that is $28.00
let me know what you think of these
again thank you guys
https://www.miamitropicalbonsai.com/chinese_elm.htm the one that is $48.00 and $9 to ship
https://www.brusselsbonsai.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/chinese_elm.htm and this one that is $28.00
let me know what you think of these
again thank you guys
I just want to point out that the tree pictured is NOT the actual tree your buying.kenb wrote: the other one or two I was looking at were these
https://www.miamitropicalbonsai.com/chinese_elm.htm the one that is $48.00 and $9 to ship
https://www.brusselsbonsai.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/chinese_elm.htm and this one that is $28.00
let me know what you think of these
This is explicitly stated on Brussels site {Though not MTB but as their description includes a 'size range' as opposed to an actual measurement per price point I would presume it does not refer to that specific tree.}
Just a heads up on that as not everybody notices. .
ynot
well.. I asked that seller on ebay if he would be willing to come down to 34.99 on the tree I liked instead of 44.99 and he said that he would do it but I had to pay immediately.. so I did buy this one.. total with shipping was 50.00 even..
tell me what you guys think
hell yeah.. small leaves at all
tell me what you guys think
hell yeah.. small leaves at all
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Ken,
Congratulations on your purchase.
This tree is much like the first one I purchased, at much the same price point. In retrospect I feel I overpaid, but at the time it was important to me to get a tree to work on, so I won't criticize you for that.
At first glance I saw the sharp bends that I suggested you avoid but after a closer look it became apparent that the worst one was the one highest on the trunk. I do like the gentle curves at the bottom. I don't like the abrupt change of direction or the stovepipe straight section that begins about halfway up, very reminiscent of my Elm before I chopped it. It is possible that you could layer this tree and end up with two trees that are superior to the one you now have.
This is all for later though, for now I would suggest that you contact the seller again and inquire as to the origin of this tree and whether or not it has been recently re-potted. I have a strong suspicion that this is a Chinese import and may still be in the original soil from the field. You will find out soon enough, but the more information you have the better.
You have options on how you are going to manage it. This in turn will influence other decisions. For instance, if you are going to allow it to go dormant then you are off the hook, so to speak, until spring. On the other hand, if you are considering bringing it indoors for the winter it is time to consider re-potting (assuming it is still in the field soil) and supplemental lighting.
Good luck with your tree and make sure to keep us posted, we will try to help you as much as we can.
Norm
Congratulations on your purchase.
What Ynot, Joe or myself thinks of this tree is not as important as your impression of it. Evidently you saw something that drew you to this tree, that is what is important right now. Now is the time to consider your options though.tell me what you guys think
This tree is much like the first one I purchased, at much the same price point. In retrospect I feel I overpaid, but at the time it was important to me to get a tree to work on, so I won't criticize you for that.
At first glance I saw the sharp bends that I suggested you avoid but after a closer look it became apparent that the worst one was the one highest on the trunk. I do like the gentle curves at the bottom. I don't like the abrupt change of direction or the stovepipe straight section that begins about halfway up, very reminiscent of my Elm before I chopped it. It is possible that you could layer this tree and end up with two trees that are superior to the one you now have.
This is all for later though, for now I would suggest that you contact the seller again and inquire as to the origin of this tree and whether or not it has been recently re-potted. I have a strong suspicion that this is a Chinese import and may still be in the original soil from the field. You will find out soon enough, but the more information you have the better.
You have options on how you are going to manage it. This in turn will influence other decisions. For instance, if you are going to allow it to go dormant then you are off the hook, so to speak, until spring. On the other hand, if you are considering bringing it indoors for the winter it is time to consider re-potting (assuming it is still in the field soil) and supplemental lighting.
Good luck with your tree and make sure to keep us posted, we will try to help you as much as we can.
Norm
I did ask the seller the exact ?'s you told me to ask gnome.. here was his reply
This tree has not been recently repotted. Yes, this is a Chinese import and is still using the same soil that it arrived in. It is not necessary to repot the tree until another year or so. This tree has not been into its dormant period yet
that was what he said.. is that bad?
This tree has not been recently repotted. Yes, this is a Chinese import and is still using the same soil that it arrived in. It is not necessary to repot the tree until another year or so. This tree has not been into its dormant period yet
that was what he said.. is that bad?
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Ken,
If you have not already done so please read the soil and re-potting stickies at the top of the page. You will need to have some better soil on hand in order to re-pot regardless of when that may be.
Norm
It's typical, prepare yourself for the necessity of re-potting into a better quality soil at the earliest opportunity. As I mentioned this would be later this fall at the earliest or next spring at the latest, it depends on how you are going to handle it.This tree has not been recently repotted. Yes, this is a Chinese import and is still using the same soil that it arrived in. It is not necessary to repot the tree until another year or so. This tree has not been into its dormant period yet...that was what he said.. is that bad?
If you have not already done so please read the soil and re-potting stickies at the top of the page. You will need to have some better soil on hand in order to re-pot regardless of when that may be.
Norm
should I let the tree stay inside this first winter in a picture window.. misting it often.. or should I let it go dormant? if I do let it go dormant.. once that has happened I can leave it out in the elements right? or can I move it to a unheated garage?
I was reading the soil sticky.. and it was hard for me to understand exactly what to use. I know it should be fast draining.. but what is the make up of that?
where can I purchase it?
now ..if I repot this tree not long after I get it.. when I repot it.. I am going to put it back into the same pot.. so do I need to trim the roots?
I know I am a pain but after time I will know what I am doing and be able to help others here too.. hopefully..
thanks again
I was reading the soil sticky.. and it was hard for me to understand exactly what to use. I know it should be fast draining.. but what is the make up of that?
where can I purchase it?
now ..if I repot this tree not long after I get it.. when I repot it.. I am going to put it back into the same pot.. so do I need to trim the roots?
I know I am a pain but after time I will know what I am doing and be able to help others here too.. hopefully..
thanks again
I let my bonsai experience about two frosts, and then move them into an unheated Garage, as it offers wind protection (dry, cold winds will harm a bonsai by drying it out). If you move them to the garage, just make sure they get some light.once that has happened I can leave it out in the elements right? or can I move it to a unheated garage?
Good Luck,
Joe
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Ken,
[url]https://www.trappist.net/estore/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=BM&Product_Code=MSRLQ9&Category_Code=soil[/url]
They also sell components if you care to give that a try.
Norm
Being that it is a sub-tropical it can be handled either way, or so they say.should I let the tree stay inside this first winter in a picture window.. misting it often.. or should I let it go dormant?
This is the way I manage mine. In my case I feel that this is preferable as my indoor lighting is more of a "maintenance" situation, keeping Jades and Ficus alive over the winter. By allowing it to go dormant I don't have to worry about slow or lanky growth. Besides, I suspect that the tree is better off this way.if I do let it go dormant.. once that has happened I can leave it out in the elements right? or can I move it to a unheated garage?
I know this can seem confusing at first. The long and the short of it is that most growers use a combination of one or more inorganic materials and some sort of bark. There are many variables but that is all it really amounts to. The hard part is locating the components.I was reading the soil sticky.. and it was hard for me to understand exactly what to use. I know it should be fast draining.. but what is the make up of that?
This is similar to what I make myself without all the hassle.where can I purchase it?
[url]https://www.trappist.net/estore/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=BM&Product_Code=MSRLQ9&Category_Code=soil[/url]
They also sell components if you care to give that a try.
If this is the route you are going to take I would allow to remain outside through several frosts, and re-pot before bringing it in around Thanksgiving. Some minor root pruning may be required but putting plants back into the same container is common.now ..if I repot this tree not long after I get it.. when I repot it.. I am going to put it back into the same pot.. so do I need to trim the roots?
Norm
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Ken,
You Wrote:
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You Wrote:
Previously I wrote:I will let it experience a few frosts and bring it in around thanksgiving.. now when I bring it in.. should I bring it inside inside.. or into an unheated garage until spring?
And:You have options on how you are going to manage it. This in turn will influence other decisions. For instance, if you are going to allow it to go dormant then you are off the hook, so to speak, until spring. On the other hand, if you are considering bringing it indoors for the winter it is time to consider re-potting (assuming it is still in the field soil) and supplemental lighting.
They can be handled either way. I can't tell you what to do with your tree, but I allow mine to go dormant. If you are going to allow it to go dormant do not re-pot until spring. Re-pot this fall only if you intend to bring it inside your home during the winter and allow it to leaf out. This is essentially a second spring.Being that it is a sub-tropical it can be handled either way, or so they say.
No, especially not at first. After a time the soil will settle somewhat and become more stable but most bonsai are wired into their pots.will this soil composition hold the tree in the pot fairly well? I just don't want it to blow out if there are strong winds..
[img]https://forum.bonsaitalk.com/yabbuserpic/25_P2204235.jpg[/img]
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I was hoping to maybe bring it inside for this winter.. but next winter let it go dormant.. I'm not asking you to tell me what to do with my tree.. I am just trying to make an informed decision from you guys who have been doing this for awhile..
if I let it stay inside this winter.. I won't have any problems letting it go dormant next year will I?
if I let it stay inside this winter.. I won't have any problems letting it go dormant next year will I?
sweet.. I am going to keep it outside until around thanksgiving and bring it inside and put it in a big picture window.. keep it misted and properly watered.. I am going to purchase that potting mix that gnome recommended.. takes the guessing out of it! can I pot my juniper in that as well? I am going to repot just before I bring it inside with the new mix....
here are the photos.. I just got the tree today... I love it.. but I was able to pick it up and the entire contents of the pot came up with it.. see attached photos.. I watered it throughly and took lots of pictures
I have it currently on my screened in back porch.. it gets alot of light in the morning and some direct sun. and shade after that
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there was wire that I removed.. as you can see in the pics..
let me know what you guys think.. let me know what you think about the health.. if I need to send it back? thanks alot again guys!!
here are the photos.. I just got the tree today... I love it.. but I was able to pick it up and the entire contents of the pot came up with it.. see attached photos.. I watered it throughly and took lots of pictures
I have it currently on my screened in back porch.. it gets alot of light in the morning and some direct sun. and shade after that
[img]https://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h265/kenbarto/elmbonsaiandlukefieldtrip027.jpg[/img]
[img]https://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h265/kenbarto/elmbonsaiandlukefieldtrip026.jpg[/img]
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there was wire that I removed.. as you can see in the pics..
let me know what you guys think.. let me know what you think about the health.. if I need to send it back? thanks alot again guys!!
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Ken,
The foliage is a little sparse and there are more yellow leaves than I would like but I see nothing that makes me think it is in any danger or in ill health. It is also obviously root-bound and when it is re-potted it should respond with fresh growth.
Please read this, paying particular attention to the remarks concerning low light levels.
[url]https://www.evergreengardenworks.com/indoors.htm[/url]
This is one case where I would recommend that you water this tree by immersion occasionally. It is so root-bound that water may not penetrate to the center of the root mass especially if it is in the type of soil that I suspect it is.
Try to get it in good shape before cold weather sets in and growth slows. Good light, proper watering and fertilizing will be required. Have you done any reading on root pruning and re-potting?
[url]https://www.evergreengardenworks.com/rootprun.htm[/url]
[url]https://www.bonsai4me.com/Basics/Basics_Repotting1.html[/url]
Make sure to follow the links to the second and third page of the bonsai4me link.
Norm
The foliage is a little sparse and there are more yellow leaves than I would like but I see nothing that makes me think it is in any danger or in ill health. It is also obviously root-bound and when it is re-potted it should respond with fresh growth.
Please read this, paying particular attention to the remarks concerning low light levels.
[url]https://www.evergreengardenworks.com/indoors.htm[/url]
This is one case where I would recommend that you water this tree by immersion occasionally. It is so root-bound that water may not penetrate to the center of the root mass especially if it is in the type of soil that I suspect it is.
Try to get it in good shape before cold weather sets in and growth slows. Good light, proper watering and fertilizing will be required. Have you done any reading on root pruning and re-potting?
[url]https://www.evergreengardenworks.com/rootprun.htm[/url]
[url]https://www.bonsai4me.com/Basics/Basics_Repotting1.html[/url]
Make sure to follow the links to the second and third page of the bonsai4me link.
Norm
on the fertilizing.. should I use a 10 10 10? I was at home depot the other day and was reading the back of some of the plant foods.. and I found some that had the 10 10 10.. and I have read or remember seeing that you should use a 10 10 10 on bonsai.. is that true?
I have read some articles and the stickys here about root pruning.. it will be a task for me.. but I can handle it and if not.. I know where to go and ask
I am going to purchase the potting mix that you gave me the link for.. I am going to wait until about thanksgiving and repot it then with the new mix and prune the roots.. then bring it indoors for its first winter with me.. when I watered it today.. I did it 3 times just to make sure that it was saturated.. I picked it up out of the pot and it was wet all the way through even in the center.. so I will keep checking up on it..
I put it on my back porch because it comes out of the pot with little effort.. and I don't want to come home from work and find it blown out of the pot on a windy day.. I am hoping that where I have it will be ok until it gets really cold out and I can do what needs to be done..
I feel like I have dove into the art of bonsai head first.. 2 trees quickly.. and no real experience.. I just hope that I don't kill the wonderful trees
I have read some articles and the stickys here about root pruning.. it will be a task for me.. but I can handle it and if not.. I know where to go and ask
I am going to purchase the potting mix that you gave me the link for.. I am going to wait until about thanksgiving and repot it then with the new mix and prune the roots.. then bring it indoors for its first winter with me.. when I watered it today.. I did it 3 times just to make sure that it was saturated.. I picked it up out of the pot and it was wet all the way through even in the center.. so I will keep checking up on it..
I put it on my back porch because it comes out of the pot with little effort.. and I don't want to come home from work and find it blown out of the pot on a windy day.. I am hoping that where I have it will be ok until it gets really cold out and I can do what needs to be done..
I feel like I have dove into the art of bonsai head first.. 2 trees quickly.. and no real experience.. I just hope that I don't kill the wonderful trees
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Ken,
Norm
The 10-10-10 will be fine, there are other options but for now it may be best not to complicate things any more. Make sure that you follow the directions. Do not mix it stronger or weaker than suggested. Do not apply it too often, about every two weeks should be OK.should I use a 10 10 10?
I would like to see it out in the sun if possible. You could put some light weight wire or twine around the pot in order to stabilize the root-ball.I put it on my back porch because it comes out of the pot with little effort.. and I don't want to come home from work and find it blown out of the pot on a windy day.
Norm
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Ken,
I had to move it today. The sun is lower in the sky than in mid-summer and although the weather is fair my bench is not getting as much sun as I would like right now.
Norm
The image it presents now is much the same as the one a month ago. The thread grafts have thickened a bit more and everything has lengthened somewhat as well. It would probably be hard to discern a difference from a photo though. I'll probably post one more picture of it this year before I store it away for the winter.gnome.. how is your elm coming along?
I had to move it today. The sun is lower in the sky than in mid-summer and although the weather is fair my bench is not getting as much sun as I would like right now.
Norm
gnome...
from putting it outside in the direct sun.. all of the yellow leaves are gone.. they fell off and what didn't fall off I just touched and the dropped.. now the other leaves are still good.. none of them are brittle and they won't fall off..
I also removed the moss that was growing on the top of the soil mix.. it was so much easier to water it that way
I think that I am going to get a few foam coolers and get some fine mulch.. put the pots in the coolers and then pack mulch around the pot to keep them from freezing this winter..
I am still debating on whether or not to let it go through the first few frosts and then repot it and bring it indoors like a second spring..
is there a certain amount of time that I need to leave it dormant if I decide to do that? bring it back inside that is..
from putting it outside in the direct sun.. all of the yellow leaves are gone.. they fell off and what didn't fall off I just touched and the dropped.. now the other leaves are still good.. none of them are brittle and they won't fall off..
I also removed the moss that was growing on the top of the soil mix.. it was so much easier to water it that way
I think that I am going to get a few foam coolers and get some fine mulch.. put the pots in the coolers and then pack mulch around the pot to keep them from freezing this winter..
I am still debating on whether or not to let it go through the first few frosts and then repot it and bring it indoors like a second spring..
is there a certain amount of time that I need to leave it dormant if I decide to do that? bring it back inside that is..
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Ken,
Since they're not temperate and don't require a specific dormancy like say a Maple or Juniper they are probably a lot more flexible in this regard.
Norm
In all honesty, I don't know. As I've noted I handle mine as deciduous trees.is there a certain amount of time that I need to leave it dormant if I decide to do that? bring it back inside that is..
Since they're not temperate and don't require a specific dormancy like say a Maple or Juniper they are probably a lot more flexible in this regard.
Norm
ok... the only reason I am debating that is because I would like to repot it as soon as possible and trim some of the roots so that it isn't so root bound. I am buying the soil composition that you gave me a link to.. I believe it is 9 quarts.. that should last me quite a while with only having 2 trees right? I should be able to pot my juniper in that as well?
thanks again for the help Norm.. I appreciate it!
thanks again for the help Norm.. I appreciate it!
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That depends on the size of your pots and when you are going to re-pot. They offer it in 4 and 20 Qt batches but 9 seemed the most appropriate.I believe it is 9 quarts.. that should last me quite a while with only having 2 trees right?
Yes it should be fine. My Juniper is in a nearly inorganic mix with only about 10% bark. Since they don't give any ratios it is hard to say exactly what it will be like. From looking at your pictures I'm not convinced that the Juniper will need re-potting next year but that is a question for another time and another thread.I should be able to pot my juniper in that as well?
Your desire to re-pot soon is understandable but you have to let the tree dictate the timing, not simply what you 'would like' It is root-bound but this is not a cause for great concern in the short term. You have to learn patience with bonsai. An ill timed re-potting could spell disaster for your new tree. Slow down and let it be a tree for a while, don't fuss with it and move it about it already has already been stressed recently.I would like to re-pot it as soon as possible and trim some of the roots so that it isn't so root bound.
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Only *one* repot/root-trim this Fall/Spring, not both, not ever If you let it go dormant, then do the repot when, and not before, you let it 'wake-up' from the nap (weeks+ later usually). Just to be crystal-clear for you Kind of sounded like you might've meant two repots...kenb wrote:oh.. I know.. I am not going to repot now.. but I was thinking about after the frost sets in.. I would bring it inside and repot and trim roots.. but I might just wait until spring to repot in the new mix and prune some roots also!
The date/timing of dormancy is hugely affected by shortening days with cooling temps, other seasonal changes as well. It varies wildly, even regionally, and if you could accurately predict that date/week, you could become rich probably, LOL. Getting an 'average-date' usually gets awareness high enough that you should be ready for it, IME.
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I meant that I was only going to repot and trim roots once..
I think that I am going to let the tree go dormant for about 6 weeks and bring it inside for the remainder of the winter months.. after it starts to come out of dormancy I will trim the roots and repot it with the new mix.. come may after the frost is gone..I will put it back outside
I think that I am going to let the tree go dormant for about 6 weeks and bring it inside for the remainder of the winter months.. after it starts to come out of dormancy I will trim the roots and repot it with the new mix.. come may after the frost is gone..I will put it back outside
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Sounds like a winning plan. Make sure to familiarize yourself w/ how to pinch-back new growths for tight internodes and smaller/denser foliage patterns as you'll want to be able to start that soon after repotting to help thicken the 'pads' of canopies - but only if its understood well, that is Assume nothing, OK?
There's a *lot* of potential in that tree (and I like it, fwiw), but it would be really easy to overdo something and cause near-irrepairable harm.... (I really see that Elm being only ~1/3 that height w/ a few more chops for tapering, IMO, but whatever, right? To each their own for 'style'...)
And when it is time to put 'em back outside, make sure to acclimate all trees into full-sun over a period of a few days to weeks. They can 'burn' if placed into sun full-time without slowly building up the times outdoors beforehand...
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There's a *lot* of potential in that tree (and I like it, fwiw), but it would be really easy to overdo something and cause near-irrepairable harm.... (I really see that Elm being only ~1/3 that height w/ a few more chops for tapering, IMO, but whatever, right? To each their own for 'style'...)
And when it is time to put 'em back outside, make sure to acclimate all trees into full-sun over a period of a few days to weeks. They can 'burn' if placed into sun full-time without slowly building up the times outdoors beforehand...
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we are steadily having temps in the 40's during the day and last night got down to around 25 deg F. both trees seem to be doing ok.. but the elm still has green leaves on it.. shouldn't they have changed by now? Almost all the trees in my yard have changed and dropped mostly all of the leaves. Is this normal? I am going to dig a hole in the yard this weekend and put both of the trees in the foam box I made and put mulch over them.. just nervous..
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Fwiw, the weather here is ~20f above normal, and its supposed to be near 80'sf all week. Trees ae freaking, and some American Elms are even putting out next year's leaves *now*. Happened last year as well, and I wonder how many years the trees can handle such 'weather-abuse'? Makes for interesting 'climate-models' at the least. It froze overnight a few nights ago, and a lot of leaves were 'damaged' (so what, right?) and now the plants want to replace the damaged ones with next years' buds, IMO.
Your plan sounds right as a sudden cold-snap that *stays* cold can spell havoc for things unprotected, IMO. Better safe than 'sorry', 'eh?!
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Your plan sounds right as a sudden cold-snap that *stays* cold can spell havoc for things unprotected, IMO. Better safe than 'sorry', 'eh?!
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