Defoilating Ficus Microcarpa

[vdotson]

In one of my bonsai books, defoliation of Ficus microcarpa is recommended in late spring. The goal is to increase branching, reduce leaf size, and speed up growth. Half the leaves are removed, then two weeks later, the other half.

Another website suggests defoliation in mid-summer, removing 60%-90% of the leaves

What is your opinion?

[ynot]

In one of my bonsai books, defoliation of Ficus microcarpa is recommended in late spring. The goal is to increase branching, reduce leaf size, and speed up growth. Half the leaves are removed, then two weeks later, the other half.

Another website suggests defoliation in mid-summer, removing 60%-90% of the leaves

What is your opinion?

Personally, I have defoliated [Or hard pruned] healthy ficus at any time of the year with no ill effects [If not outside they were indoors under good lighting. These were not even Retusas by the way.]

A healthy F. Retusa Microcarpa can take a hard pruning or defoliation.

Defoliationis used in the final stages of training, Are you there? [Post some pictures of it in this thread please ]

It's primary use is to increase ramification [twiggyness]. Leaf reduction can result also under proper conditions [Excellent light conditions]

If you are at that point, Either way you have stated is fine. Do you have supplemental lighting? If so, Go ahead.

If not, Being in Wisconsin I imagine it is still a bit too cold for this tree to be outside full time. So you might want to wait until the temps are suitable for it to live outside and soak up as much sunlight as possible during recovery.


ynot

[vdotson]

Thank you for your quick reply!

I have 2 Ficus microcarpa. One is 7 years old. The other is 2 years old. I will send pictures later on this week.

I do have supplemental lighting. I will be turning it off later this month.

You are right, it is much too cold for the Ficus to be outside right now. As a general rule of thumb, I do not take them out until Memorial Day, which is when I had planned to do my defoliation. It looks we are thinking alike on this.

BTW, thank you for clarifying another issue. I was unsure whether hard pruning = defoliation. You cleared that up as well.

[ynot]

Thank you for your quick reply!

BTW, thank you for clarifying another issue. I was unsure whether hard pruning = defoliation. You cleared that up as well.

Your welcome,

I am not sure how I have cleared up the second part of the quote above, Nor am I certain by the statement above if you feel hard pruning equates to defoliation or not.

Just to clarify: They are not the same thing at all.

I look forward to the pictures .

ynot

[vdotson]

Your welcome,

I am not sure how I have cleared up the second part of the quote above, Nor am I certain by the statement above if you feel hard pruning equates to defoliation or not.

Just to clarify: They are not the same thing at all.

ynot

Oh my! I obviously misunderstood you.

Please explain what hard pruning is and how it differs from defoliation, if you would. Or point me in the direction where I can read up on it.

Thank you in advance.

[Gnome]

vdotson,

Please explain what hard pruning is and how it differs from defoliation, if you would. Or point me in the direction where I can read up on it.

Hi, pruning is pretty self explanatory, hard pruning would, at least to my mind, be pretty aggressive pruning. More than say just pinching shoots.

Defoliation is the removal of leaves in order to promote ramification or branching. Another, albeit temporary, effect of defoliation is to reduce the size of the leaves.

http://bonsaihunk.8m.com/Defoliatingfigs.html

Norm

[ynot]

Oh my! I obviously misunderstood you.

Yes- Sorry, I did not intend for this quote below to make these sound synonymous:

Personally, I have defoliated [Or hard pruned] healthy ficus...

I meant them as examples of two different processes that can be carried out at practically any time on healthy ficus.

Please explain what hard pruning is and how it differs from defoliation, if you would. Or point me in the direction where I can read up on it.

Thank you in advance.

Ok,
Defoliation is exactly that: Removing the foliage.

Hard-Pruning on the other hand [Granted 'Hard' is subjective] refers to pruning [with various degrees of severity] back [One or more] branches.

These do not address only hard pruning and are most likely more than you ever wanted to know about pruning, You were warned. :
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/pruning.htm
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/pruning2.htm
http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/growprin.htm
http://www.forestry.uga.edu/warnell/ser ... docHistory[]=2

I sometimes think of 'Hard pruning' as 'cutting back into the {hard}wood' This is not an entirely accurate view of it really, But it is more than just a trim.

One example of hard pruning would be when you let the tree [Or single branches] 'bush out' far past the intended shape [As the unrestricted growth and additional foliage are what increases the girth of the trunk & branches].
After the branches have reached their desired thickness, You then [Hard prune] cut the branches to a point far inside the eventual silhouette of the trees future design as this leaves room for growth with which you can ramify and refine the secondary and tertiary branches.

LOL, I fit a design tip in there too... .

IE: From this thisthread where I pruned this tree back hard.
Before:



After a hard pruning of the top:



I only pruned the top hard as I am continuing to let the bottom grow out, I continue to fight apical dominance and shade wrt getting the bottom branches to fatten up...To be continued...

Just like trunk chops, You can see examples of this [Or the results of this] everywhere in bonsai.

I hoped this helped, It doesn't feel like much of an explanation really...lol

ynot

[vdotson]

Here are my pictures.

[vdotson]

Let's try this again. This is my 2 year old ficus.


This is my 7 year old ficus

[ynot]

Vdotson,

Ok,

What did you have in mind?

ynot

[vdotson]

Looking to defoliate both.

I'm sure they are in need of other "care" and will happily take any suggestions.

I know the trees are reflective of my novice or below novice skill and ability. They are not exactly "pretty", but I console myself with the fact that they are both still alive

[ynot]

Looking to defoliate both.

I'm sure they are in need of other "care" and will happily take any suggestions.

Um, Defoliation is usually done during the final stages of refinement during training.

You mention that you have other issues to address, What would these be?
Do you mean styling issues? If so, Where do you want to take it? Having a destination is the first step to forming a plan. .

[It's best to take care of those first as defoliation would much nearer the end of the process.]

I know the trees are reflective of my novice or below novice skill and ability. They are not exactly "pretty", but I console myself with the fact that they are both still alive

No worries on that.

ynot

[vdotson]

Um, Defoliation is usually done during the final stages of refinement during training.

Hmmm. In the link you provided http://bonsaihunk.8m.com/Defoliatingfigs.html, I received the impression that defoliation was, say routine, or regular

To me it appears that the destination of the 7 year old was set the day I purchased it. So all it appearsI need to do is maintain it, encouraging more branching.

I was hoping to do a ball or globe shape. It seemed to be the simplest shape.

Your comments?

[vdotson]

I'm sorry, I was hoping to do a ball or globe shape on the 2 year old.

[ynot]

Hmmm. In the link you provided http://bonsaihunk.8m.com/Defoliatingfigs.html, I received the impression that defoliation was, say routine, or regular

This is from that page: [Your link does not work btw]

How often to defoliate

Under typical indoor cultivation I would not recommend defoliation be used except every two years.

Personally, I wouldn't really call that 'routine or regular'.

Defoliation is stressful on trees which is why it is not done all that often.

To me it appears that the destination of the 7 year old was set the day I purchased it. So all it appearsI need to do is maintain it, encouraging more branching.

I would not say that was true at all [Due to bonsai being a live & growing thing and change is of course inherent in that.], But ok.

I was hoping to do a ball or globe shape. It seemed to be the simplest shape.
Your comments?

I think you would end up with a lollipop [A big circle on a tall thin stick.] Considering the diameter of the trunk I think you would very likely end up with some reverse taper at the top of the trunk where the branches start as the trunk would thicken there.

Broom styles are really more natural to temperate deciduous treesas opposed to tropical evergreens.

You just don't really see too many natural broom ficus [Hence, Few bonsai also], Perhaps a few 'African savanna-esque' flat topped neriifolias or conversely very broad spreading versions, But few 'round' ones. - The round ones tend to look like topiaries to my eye.
If it were mine I would either grow it out for a while and then chop it to impart some trunk movement and taper with an informal upright would be it's [Possible] ultimate destination...

I notice the picture is from the side of the two year old [And possibly the 7yo as well], Are you planning on changing the front?

More photos would be needed before any styling advice could be considered, Is there any nebari to speak of?

No matter what plans you have for this [2YO] IMO a bigger pot would help it out considerably if more growth is involved.

ynot