SvetSad
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Box store Scheffelera

I went to a box store the other day, and while looking at their plants, i noticed that their Scheffeleras were all trimmed at some point, and then kept on growing. so they all developed some branches, i had to clear off a lot of dead leavs to even see the trunks on them.

And here is what i decided to buy....

[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-3541-1338860397334.jpg[/img]

it's a bit of a jungle, but it already has some branches and a decent size trunk

[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-38538-1339104399953.jpg[/img]

That's a standard size sharpie, and the trunk is thicker! all for just $12, which is more than i would pay for a pre-bonsai Scheff. with a smaller trunk.

Anyway, so now that i have it, i don't know what to do with it. I don't mind doing a massive chop job though!

Is there a way to separate the trunks or are the roots probably super tangled together? i haven't looked at the roots yet, but the fact that they coil around the top leads me to beleive it's severly root bound (also because it comes from a box store).

there is a couple of arial roots coming of the trunk, but i had to clean off a lot of dead ones too, with time it will grow more, so I'm not worried.

Anyways if anyone has any tips or advice, let me know! and more pics can be taken if needed.

Oh and i did cut *most* of the leafs off, and it is kept outside, until i bring it in for the winter...
I'm Russian and litteral translation of screen name is Svet "light" Sad "garden" :)

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nice find ive been wanting a scheff but have no room indoors all the good spots are taken by ficus :D personally i would take a sharp knife and just cut the rootball in sections clean out the loose stuff and plant them in their own pots. from what i know they are like ficus and can take the abuse

SvetSad
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Thanks!

I've dealt with Scheff. before and i know they are pretty hard to kill :). I just want to make sure some of it stays alive because it's the thickest trunk of anything i have!

And my indoor setup will have to be modified and expanded.... but at least i have few months to do that!
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I would do the same, unpot the whole thing and cut stright down, repotting each individually. Next year worry about bottom root pruning.

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I just did the same as above a month ago. If I had to do it again I wouldn't separate all of them because 2 or 3 of the trunks in my pot form a natural bayan style which is what I'm after anyways so unless you really want individual trees you can keep some of them together and just separate some small or looser ones and take care the root bound problem while you unpot. Mine wasn't rootbound since they're younger and less woody compared to yours.
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SvetSad
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Well, i finally got around to separating and re-potting. All in all, it was not difficult to do, but also, it could be cuz I'm not as afraid to work with roots as i used to be.

I really did not cut much of the roots.

[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-12116-1339386425360.jpg[/img]

this is all i cut from the 3 combined.

so it's been 2 or 3 days since the re-pot, and i would like to think it survived (i used superthrive to reduce the shock)

so here are my 3 new trees!

this is the biggest one
[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-37877-1339536490411.jpg[/img]

Medium size
[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-20991-1339536460890.jpg[/img]

and the smallest, also this is the only one with wilting leaves, so i need to watch it.
[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-31925-1339536450528.jpg[/img]

I am still very happy with my purchase...now it just needs to survive and grow!
I'm Russian and litteral translation of screen name is Svet "light" Sad "garden" :)

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they're looking good. Mine survived but I had to move them outdoors and the existing leaves wilted under the sun. The good thing is the new leaves that sprouded are much smaller and they don't seem to mine full sun for a few hours. Next I will work on making them branch, might have to wait until next year when I repot them. . .
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FWIW, here's pictures of mine

[img]https://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd340/malagabee/bonsai002.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd340/malagabee/bonsai001.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd340/malagabee/bonsai010.jpg[/img]

I think what I would do with mine is grow them out like this and prune the roots next year, put a 2 or 3 of them together in a couple years and slowly expose the top roots to create the banyan style. I know the Scheffs tend to grow upwards so I'd be keeping them short over time and wire them outwards to open up the canopy.

One thing I'm not sure of is how to make them branch more. Should I defoliate them twice a year?
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SvetSad
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Well I am happy to say that all 3 trees survived! All are showing signs of new growth, so I think I will finally trim the rest of the old leaves off. And would it be too early to try and encourage some ariel roots?


linlaoboo, I think all the places that have leaf clusters, will eventually grow to be branches. And from what I've gathered from my reading, the way to make them branch is to defoliate, and trim the ends. Of course, when you defoliate, the energry then goes to re-growing the leaves and not growing the trunk or branches.
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The smallest out of the 3 is dead... no hope in bringing it back. It went from looking ok to clearly dead within a couple of days. If i had to guess, i'd say root rot.

[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-7040-1341950574590.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-4363-1341950597728.jpg[/img]

The Largest one shows very little signs of growth, it is going to be watched carefully over next few days, maybe i'll let it dry out more between waterings too.

[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-5540-1341950649117.jpg[/img]

The medium one seems to be doing better than the others. it has more growth than the others... but still going to be watched closely as well.


[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-2339-1341950678007.jpg[/img]

[img]https://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z375/SvetSad/Scheffelera/photobucket-3543-1341950698778.jpg[/img]
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From what I've read the variegated ones might grow slower than the solid colored ones. I have a couple small ones that have died out and I look at it as weeding out the weaker naturally. Mine grew alot in late spring and I have fed it heavily. In the 100 degree weather now I've had to protect them by reducing the amount of direct sun exposure.
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SvetSad
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yay! the forum is working again!


In other news... the largest plant also died. So I'm left with medium one, it is doing fine for now. My indoor setup wasn't ready for so many Scheffs anyway (once winter comes). I'm still watching it carefully, and only water it myself when needed (so when my bf is watering our tomato plants and whatnot, he does not water my trees :) ).
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linlaoboo
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yay =) I thought they blocked my IP lol

I've read in another forum they put the plant in clear plastic box or a fish tank, water good and cover it for a while. The water will bead up on the lid and rain down, creating a humid environment for the plant to throw aero roots left and right. The box does need to be left open every so often for it to air out a bit. It's something I'm going to try when mine get bigger.
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gbhunter1977
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be careful

A setup like that is perfect for mold.

linlaoboo
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Re: be careful

true, as I said have air it out often and keep a close eye on it. Once aero roots are form, use straws to guide it into the soil for quicker result.
gbhunter1977 wrote:A setup like that is perfect for mold.
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