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I think I dried out my Chinese Elm Bonsai

Hi Everyone,

A few days ago I got a beautiful Chinese Elm as a Valentine's gift from my boyfriend. We both fell in love with it and decided to take as good care of it as if it was our own baby :oops:

I watered it really well on Thursday and then... not knowing about its delicate nature... went for a long weekend away and left it all alone and dry for 4 days :(

When I came back it still looked green and happy from a distance, but when I touched its leaves, they were completely dry. I immediately soaked the pot with tap water but at this stage had a feeling that the evil deed was already done... I killed my baby! :cry:

When I woke up this morning I watered it generously again and noticed that about 20% of its leaves are still alive, but all the rest is sad and dry.

What do I do? Is there still a chance for my little tree?

Please help...

Katharina (Dublin, Ireland)

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Hi Katharina

It would be of benefit to know where the plant is. I'll assume it's indoors since that's where most beginners like to keep Chinese Elms.

With the plant under extreme stress it doesn't need a lot of water right now. That's just as deadly as no water.

I would let the soil on the top and around the edges of the pot get dry to the touch to the point the root mass of the plant in the center of the pot is almost dry. A good way to learn when to water is put a chopstick or toothpick into the soil halfway between the trunk of the plant and the edge of the pot and leave it. Pull the piece of wood out everyday and look for moisture. If the wood is wet, leave the plant alone.

When the wood is dry to the point you have to touch it to your cheek to feel if there is any moisture, it's time to water. Water from the top and water thoroughly until water freely runs from all the drainage holes in the bottom of the pot.

I wouldn't give up on the plant. I doubt going 4 days without water will kill it unless it was outdoors in brutally hot windy weather.

Good luck with your plant and be patient. It should recover.

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Katharina,

I agree that your tree should make it if you follow randy's advice. When trees have little or no leaves they require much less water. Chinese elms are hardy trees, your tree could lose all its leaves and still come back. If yours still has some leaves then you should have no problem bringing it back.

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Randy,

Thanks very much for your reply.

Yes, I do keep my little tree indoors at the moment. I have to admit that the idea of letting the soil dry off a bit scares me a great deal, but well... I'll do what I need to do.

Tom,

Thanks for the confirmation. I really needed to hear that again :)

Katharina

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lol I figured you needed some reasurence. :D

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First I would like to welcome two new members, Katharina and Randy, to the forum.

Katharina,

You have already received some good advice so I won't reiterate what has already been said. Don't feel too bad we all make mistakes with our trees, especially early on. Now that you know I'm sure you will do better.

By any chance does your tree happen to have a layer of top dressing (pebbles) glued to the surface? I'm guessing not as I suspect this is primarily an American practice. If so they will need to be removed.

You do have it where it is getting decent light right? It will either have to be near a bright window or under some form of supplemental lighting. Good luck to you and please keep us posted.

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Thanks for the welcome, Norm, it's great to be here :D

On your first question - No, there was no dressing glued to the surface.

Now, about the "decent light"... where do I start... is there such thing us "too decent"? Coz I think this is what my poor little tree nearly died of.

I kept it at the window, as suggested in the brochure. The only thing is that the window faces east and in the morning it can get realy hot over there. At this stage I even suspect that I didn't just dry my happy tree out. I think I might have burnt it... Is it possible?

By the way, would you tell me how long do Chinese Elms live? (My happy tree is 12 years old now :D

Thanks!
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Katharina,
Thanks for the welcome, Norm, it's great to be here
You're very welcome, I hope you become a regular contributor.
"decent light"... where do I start... is there such thing us "too decent"?
I keep my Chinese Elms outside from early spring to very late autumn, only moving them into an unheated garage for the coldest part of the year. So I don't think too much sun would be a problem, the exception being if it came from a low light environment before you received it.
The only thing is that the window faces east and in the morning it can get realy hot over there.
How hot can it be this time of year? Again I keep mine outside all summer and we can get into the 90's (f) often. You might consider the use of a humidity tray though.
By the way, would you tell me how long do Chinese Elms live? (My happy tree is 12 years old now
Decades, or longer, with proper care, 4 days without it. :wink: Don't take that too seriously, I'm trying to make a point, your tree is a living thing dependent upon you for its daily care. With proper care it could outlive you!

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Gnome,

When you leave your chinese elm outside does it still have leaves? I tried leaving mine in my unheated garage this year and it lost most of its leaves but then, possibly because of how warm it was here in New Jersey this past winter, it began to bud so I brought it in. It is doing great its growing like spring time, but could I have left it outside even though it began to grow?

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When you leave your chinese elm outside does it still have leaves?
In my area they go dormant like my deciduous trees, so no they drop their leaves.
I tried leaving mine in my unheated garage this year and it lost most of its leaves but then, possibly because of how warm it was here in New Jersey this past winter, it began to bud so I brought it in. It is doing great its growing like spring time, but could I have left it outside even though it began to grow?
If the buds were merely swelling you could have probably left it, but I don't think you will have any problems the way you have handled it. I seem to remember reading somewhere that some growers handle them this way deliberately.

I don't recall if you ever mentioned your location and your profile lacks that information. If your garage was too warm you may want to consider other options next year.

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The buds were sweeling but they had turned green and started to open. My tree didn't lose all of its leaves because this winter didn't get cold enough in time. It did go through a short dormancy of about 2 months though before it started to grow.

I have also read, I think in another thread, that you could leave a chinese elm outside for 2 or 3 months and then bring it in before it gets to cold just to give it some time for dormancy. I have to say this year has been better than in the past, before I didn't give it any dormancy I just brought it in. This resulted in the tree losing and regrowing its leaves 2 or 3 times so this is definantly an improvement.

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Thanks for the welcome Norm.

Chinese Elms seem to be very hardy and tolerate a lot of different types of care.

It became a popular landscape tree here in Oklahoma after the Dutch Elm disease decimated the native American Elm population. I've left seedlings from these naturalized trees in one gallon pots outdoors in the winter with no protection at all and they did fine.

I wouldn't advise that kind of treatment though with imported bonsai trees. I think they are more of a sub tropical variety that wouldn't tolerate as cold a weather as the naturalized strain here.

I personally don't care for the type of growth these plants put on in low light conditions indoors. Like them much better as a true deciduous tree that gets a nice long winters rest.

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Hmm... now that I know that my little tree is going to survive :) where would you advise me to keep it? The only other option to indoors is my balcony - do you think it will be happy there?

But then... the tree is 12 years old - what if it has always been kept indoors? Will the change of conditions not harm it? And if moving my tree to the balcony is safe, shouldn't I wait till spring time?

Thanks! :)
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Katharina wrote:Hmm... now that I know that my little tree is going to survive :) where would you advise me to keep it? The only other option to indoors is my balcony - do you think it will be happy there?

But then... the tree is 12 years old - what if it has always been kept indoors? Will the change of conditions not harm it? And if moving my tree to the balcony is safe, shouldn't I wait till spring time?

Thanks! :)
Katharina
Katharina

I was just voicing my personal preference to growing Chinese Elms and not really encouraging you to make any changes from what Norm recommended. Indoors right now close to a window is just fine.

Sticking a stressed tree outdoors in late winter when it's probably been indoors for a long period of time as you say is a death sentence. Trees have to be acclimated to outdoor weather and then they naturally harden off in the fall to tolerate the coming dormant rest with the approach of cold weather.

Your Elm should be just fine in the house for now.

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Katharina,
The only other option to indoors is my balcony - do you think it will be happy there?
I quite agree with Randy, it is much too late in the season to consider making a change like that. Dormancy is induced gradually from mid-summer on as the days shorten and the nights cool. You can't rush into it now.
But then... the tree is 12 years old - what if it has always been kept indoors? Will the change of conditions not harm it?
As has been noted you will not want to move it outside now. This does not mean that it must remain inside forever though. Starting this spring the tree will be much happier outside. You can decide later how you will handle it next winter. For now just concentrate on your watering. [url=https://www.bonsai4me.com/Basics/Basics_Watering.html]Learn about watering here.[/url]

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Welcome Katharina {And Randy, I also hope you contribute often. -:)}

You have gotten some great info on this thread, Do check out the rest of the site Gnome linked to. You will find it very helpful.
Katharina wrote:
Now, about the "decent light"... where do I start... is there such thing us "too decent"? Coz I think this is what my poor little tree nearly died of.
I wouldn't be so quick to absolutely say that is the cause, There are too many other variables to be considered, {Stress due to Environmental changes, Potential over/under watering, etc.}

Chinese elms are pretty forgiving of errors and are resilient trees- They tend to bounce back :).
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I kept it at the window, as suggested in the brochure. The only thing is that the window faces east and in the morning it can get realy hot over there. At this stage I even suspect that I didn't just dry my happy tree out. I think I might have burnt it... Is it possible?
IMO it is not likely that the blazing February Irish sun ;) did the deed on your tree [Especially in four days, Or even the week since you got it].
This was most likely a combination of other factors, Including the care it received before you got it.
Randy wrote: I wouldn't give up on the plant. I doubt going 4 days without water will kill it unless it was outdoors in brutally hot windy weather.
I agree with this entirely, Four days is a blink of an eye time-wise to a tree. I am betting it is in a fairly moisture retentive soil as well. [Which could be part of the problem.]

It is important to check each day as Randy stated.
His system for determining if you need to water is a good one, But [like any]is effective only if you apply it..;).
Again only water as it is required by the tree.

Post some pictures please if your able. [url=https://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3557]Photo tips[/url]
Good luck and please keep us posted.

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OK, guys, here is the story...

I applied Randy's idea (put a toothpick into the soil and left it there) and I check daily if my little tree needs a drink :wink:

Now, I didn't water my tree since Tuesday, right? (I swear I didn't!) But the soil seems to be as moist as it was when I soaked it 3 days ago. The reason why it concerns me is because I noticed that the few leaves left on my poor, bald tree are now getting brownish spots which, from my experience with other types of plants, is a sign of over watering...

Ynot, you mentioned that the type of soil might be part of the problem:
I am betting it is in a fairly moisture retentive soil as well. [Which could be part of the problem.]
how can I recognize the type of soil my tree is planted in and if it's the right one?

And about the pics... I actually took some pictures but don't think it would be fair on my bald, little tree to publish them. If the 4-day drought and the blazing Irish sun didn't kill it, the embarrassment surely will :oops: Unless you insist, that is :wink:

Thanks for all the support, guys. I luuuuv the forum :D
Katharina

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Katharina wrote:
I applied Randy's idea (put a toothpick into the soil and left it there) and I check daily if my little tree needs a drink :wink:
Excellent :)

Now, I didn't water my tree since Tuesday, right? (I swear I didn't!) But the soil seems to be as moist as it was when I soaked it 3 days ago. The reason why it concerns me is because I noticed that the few leaves left on my poor, bald tree are now getting brownish spots which, from my experience with other types of plants, is a sign of over watering...
Right then, Your soil is still wet three days later, Now consider how often you had been watering it...More often than every three days I would wager. This combo =Overwatering.

Do keep in mind that as you tree loses leaves it will use less water because it will have less transpiration [which is moisture loss through the leaves]
Ynot, you mentioned that the type of soil might be part of the problem:
[I was being polite, There's no 'might' and it is a majority of the problem :(].

It is a dead common problem, The 'three day story' confirms that something needs to be done about the soil.
It seems to me as though it was a combination of terrible soil and over watering which results in a constantly wet condition, This can lead to root damage which keeps your tree from getting water/nutrients from the soil.
It then dehydrates and the slow decline begins.. [And people think 'Oh I must water my tree- It looks dry'--You can see where that leads]

Your tree may be savable [Most likely in fact, Need those pictures:)] but it will take some changes wrt its soil and care.
how can I recognize the type of soil my tree is planted in and if it's the right one?
By how effective it is, And yours isn't. [Effective- that is.]

Here are a few links about bonsai and soil for you to read:
https://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3422
Here is a wonder page full of articles for you to research- Focusing first on soil, repotting and watering would be most helpful for the near future.: https://www.bonsai4me.com/Basics.html
And about the pics... I actually took some pictures but don't think it would be fair on my bald, little tree to publish them. If the 4-day drought and the blazing Irish sun didn't kill it, the embarrassment surely will :oops: Unless you insist, that is :wink:
Oh I would never insist, It is entirely your choice: Dead, Or embarrassed. ;):lol:

I look forward to the pictures:)

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Katharina-
I kinda had a similar story. I bought one from IKEA came home and a few weeks later it dropped all its leaves and I was bummed out for a bit...but I watered it like once a week and left it by the window. A couple of weeks later it just shot out all new leaves and looks amazing now.

I talked to a bonsai expert about it and told him the problem that I had and he said the main issue was that I was keeping it indoors in 70F heat and it got shocked and dropped all its leaves.

He also mentioned if you want to keep them indoors keep them by a cooler window and mist them every few days lightly...this will help them to not drop their leaves. He said ultimately during summer months it should be kept outdoors.

I am new to bonsai but it sounds like you are too and there are alot of people on here that are pretty knowledgable it seems...but sometimes that might lead to overthinking the problem. If its like my case it was simple and just took time to fix.

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...but I watered it like once a week and left it by the window.
Once a week? :shock:

Sounds like you need new soil also. Check out [url=https://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4218]these pics[/url] to see some excellent bonsai soil.

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ynot,
it was in the wintertime...and it seems like it doesnt require that frequent of watering although now that its gotten so much growth on it I am watering it more often.

katharina,
I forgot to mention that I repotted it after it lost all its leaves.

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Hi Douglas,

It's funny... I was wondering, on my way to work this morning, if you've repotted your tree since it lost all the leaves. And here you are, answering my very question :D Thanks for sharing your story!

By the way, seen pictures of your Japanese Larch - all the best with that one! 8)

Ynot, here goes a little treat for you (you've got this thing about pictures, so it seems, doncha? :P ) . Ah, let me mention that I checked the soil again this afternoon and it's just as wet (forget "moist") as it was when I soaked it 4 days ago...

OKi, this is the first time that I'm uploading pictures, so be patient with me. WORK IN PROGRESS :lol:

[url=https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/Little_tree007-1.jpg][img]https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/th_Little_tree007-1.jpg[/img][/url]

[url=https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/Little_tree003.jpg][img]https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/th_Little_tree003.jpg[/img][/url]

[url=https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/Little_tree004-1.jpg][img]https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/th_Little_tree004-1.jpg[/img][/url]

[url=https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/6e14f314.jpg][img]https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/th_6e14f314.jpg[/img][/url]

[url=https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/Little_tree002.jpg][img]https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/th_Little_tree002.jpg[/img][/url]


All comments very welcome!

Thanks,
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Katharina,

Thanks for posting the pictures, they confirm what Ynot had suspected. Your soil appears to be almost entirely organic/peat. The texture is way too fine and does not allow water to drain properly. And, just as importantly, does not allow air to reach the roots, which is essential in maintaining a tree in a pot. Please take a look at Randy's Ficus chop [url=https://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4218]here.[/url] Note that his soil is primarily inorganic, also note the texture.

Your tree will need to be re-potted or it will probably slowly decline and die. If it is still damp please don't water yet. I know it is difficult but it is necessary. The problem with this type of soil, as you are learning, is that it holds water forever but once it does dry it becomes difficult to re-wet. Please begin your research on soil-less mixes and re-potting.

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Douglas wrote:ynot,
it was in the wintertime...and it seems like it doesnt require that frequent of watering although now that its gotten so much growth on it I am watering it more often.
Winter time is not entirely the issue as your tree is indoors, The reduced water usage was at least partially due to lack of foliage which limited the trees [url=https://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/T/Transpiration.html]transpiration.[/url]

Please review the link RE: soil that Gnome and I have both posted in our previous posts.
Katharina wrote:All comments very welcome!
Thank you for the pictures, It is best if you start researching bonsai soil as a looser well-draining mix would greatly benefit your tree. Links have already been posted wrt this.

{This is not aimed at specifically at you Katharina, I understand your kidding. But since you brought it up, I used your quotes as they address what I am on about. [Although 22 replies into the thread for the pix to show up does seem like quite a bit of water under the bridge.:P ] I wish everyone understood this.}

Please understand though, I am not:
:mini rant:
(you've got this thing about pictures, so it seems, doncha? :P )
Yes, In fact I went through no small effort [url=https://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3557]to write a 'thing' down.[/url] When was the last time a Dr. gave anyone a diagnosis from a description in a strictly text format email?...Oh wait... Maybe they would want to actually see the patient. That's not a possibility here so pictures will have to suffice.
Katharina wrote:Ynot, here goes a little treat for you.
Wrong, I absolutely [url=https://www.m-w.com/dictionary/abhor]abhor[/url]having to beg and plead for pictures from people we are trying to help, I could rant about this for pages...
One would think they would want us to see what is happening.....Yet :?: It is like pulling teeth.

It is not a treat for me, It is a tool for us to use to help solve the puzzle you brought to us.

The more pieces of the puzzle we have, The more complete picture we have & the more effective we can be.

Understand, We are trying to help you here, Please play along.

:/mini rant:

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Ouch...

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I meant - Thanks for all your help, Ynot :D

and...

ouch, ouch, ouch...
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Katharina wrote: I meant - Thanks for all your help, Ynot :D
Your very welcome :D

Katharina wrote:Ouch...
I repeat
ynot wrote: {This is not aimed at specifically at you Katharina, I understand your kidding.
It is a nerve that gets stepped on once in awhile is all

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Norm,

Thanks very much for your opinion. I've started my research already and tomorrow will take a look around the shops for some good soil. I'll post some more pictures when my little tree is re-potted and then again when it is all green and happy :D

Thanks again!
Katharina

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Katharina,

You're welcome. Please show us a sample of the soil you purchase before you re-pot. Most enthusiasts end up making their own soil mix. But this entails locating various components and recipes. If you can find a good ready made product it will be much easier on you in the short term.

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I'll to that, Norm.

I just read your and Ynot's pieces about root pruning and got curious about the roots of my little tree. Here's what they look like:

[url=https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/Little_tree010-1.jpg][img]https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/th_Little_tree010-1.jpg[/img][/url]


[url=https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/Roots.jpg][img]https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u218/_Katharina_/th_Roots.jpg[/img][/url]


Now, I've read in some of the recommended articles that root pruning should be performed in the least stressful time for the tree. We all know that my tree's been through a lot lately, bless its heart, so don't think it's a good idea to mess with its... parts... too much :wink:

But then, I would like for my tree to stay in this pot, and there really isn't much space for anything but the roots... What would you recommend? Will I get a larger pot for now and then plant my tree back to the pretty pot :wink: in a few weeks when it is ready for pruning?

What do you think, Lads?

Thanks!
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Katharina,

Well your tree is root-bound, another reason to re-pot before too very long, relatively speaking. When I suggested you begin researching re-potting I did not mean to imply that it needed to be done immediately. It usually takes most folks a while to find a good soil or components to mix one, I wanted you to be ready.

I handle my Elms as deciduous trees and there is very little question as to the timing of re-potting. When they are kept as indoor trees this subject begins to become a little less certain. You are correct about further stressing a tree with problems. But if not now when? Later this spring, summer? I don't mind saying that I am unsure as to your best route. What do others think?

The roots don't look rotten to me. Is there any sort of sliminess or bad smell? If so that would indicate problems with the roots.

Be aware that watering is going to be somewhat difficult with a solid root-mass like that. Multiple waterings 5 or 10 minutes apart will help to thoroughly wet the roots.

Sorry I am not able to be more certain about this.

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Gnome wrote:
Please show us a sample of the soil you purchase before you re-pot.
Yes, Please do.
I just read your and Ynot's pieces about root pruning and got curious about the roots of my little tree. Here's what they look like:
It's Potbound, Not 100%, but note the circling roots. This issue is affecting your watering as well [More accurately the absorption of water as the rootball is compacted.]
More importantly, You need new soil. [Note the difference between your soil and the soil you can see in Randy's [url=https://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4218-]ficus-chop thread[/url]That is NOT a top dressing you see. It is the contents of the pot clear through.]
Now, I've read in some of the recommended articles that root pruning should be performed in the least stressful time for the tree. We all know that my tree's been through a lot lately, bless its heart, so don't think it's a good idea to mess with its... parts... too much :wink:
It's true that what we are talking about is stressful to a tree to be certain. However, A root pruning and some Better soil would be very beneficial.
It is not going to get better very quickly the way it is.
But then, I would like for my tree to stay in this pot, and there really isn't much space for anything but the roots...
We can fix that ;) [You are going to be losing a whole big bunch of those roots.]

[Gnome, Randy, Full root pruning vs. A pie slice root prune? { As a band-aid to regain vigor until a full repot} What do you think?

Considering the previous stresses are unknown. Hmmm, Risk vs. reward... Actually, I am leaning towards the whole hog approach as it eliminates the old soil. Best be done with it IMO. ]
What would you recommend? Will I get a larger pot for now and then plant my tree back to the pretty pot :wink: in a few weeks when it is ready for pruning?
A new pot does not address the [needing new] soil issue and you underestimate the length of the timing involved here.

It is not a matter of weeks-Repots are normally done [at the most frequently] on a yearly basis, Often there are two, Three or more years between repotting.

Please keep exploring with your research and asking good questions

good luck

ynot

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Katharina,
You've gotten a whole lot of good advice. Once you get everything squared away--repotted and such--if it doesn't come back right away, don't give up too quickly. I overwintered a Chinese elm in my window well--made it go dormant, dropping its leaves for a winter rest--and let it dry out too much. I thought I'd killed it. But I put it out with my other bonsai in the spring and watered it as if it were alive. It was at least a month, when I was sure it had to be dead, that new growth started appearing. I'd lost most of the branches, but there was life and it's now working its way back. If only I had such luck with serissas........
--Sylvia

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Thanks for this, Sylvia. I actually have a good news :o I noticed yesterday that there are hundreds of little buds all over my tree :D I can't believe it's coming back so soon! The buds are still very small but some of them already turned into tiny little leaves :D I'll post some pics in 3-4 days when they are a bit more visible.

Now, I tried to find some good soil, but unfortunately all the right places were closed last weekend... I don't think I will be able to look for anything before Thursday, but then... is it safe to re-pot the tree when it is budding? And what about root pruning - I guess I'll have to put it away for a while, will I?

And one more thing - it's been 6 days since I last watered the tree. I checked the toothpick again this morning and it is still wet. The soil dried off a bit on the surface but inside it's definitely wet - no doubt about it.

What do I do? Should I still wait with watering? But then... when the soil gets dry, it shrinks and hardens and it makes it really difficult for water to penetrate through. How should I deal with this issue? Will I soak it again in a day or two? I'm a bit lost here. Now, that my tree is feeling better I really want to get it right... :)

Thanks again for all your support!
Katharina

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I can't believe it's coming back so soon!
It is not 'recovered' Katharina, it is simply replacing the leaves it has lost.

Remember, except for your improved watering knowledge...Nothing else has changed.
Now, I tried to find some good soil, but unfortunately all the right places were closed last weekend... I don't think I will be able to look for anything before Thursday, but then... is it safe to re-pot the tree when it is budding? And what about root pruning - I guess I'll have to put it away for a while, will I?
The risk/reward of the rootprune/repot is absolutely worth it IMO vs leaving it the way it is.
And one more thing - it's been 6 days since I last watered the tree. I checked the toothpick again this morning and it is still wet. The soil dried off a bit on the surface but inside it's definitely wet - no doubt about it.

What do I do? Should I still wait with watering? But then... when the soil gets dry, it shrinks and hardens and it makes it really difficult for water to penetrate through. How should I deal with this issue? Will I soak it again in a day or two? I'm a bit lost here.

Let me restate your question to you, I think you will know the answer.

"My soil is still wet, Should I water?"....:?: You know the answer to this...:)
Now, that my tree is feeling better I really want to get it right... :)
See my first comment in this post.

Thanks again for all your support!
Katharina
Your very welcome.
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Katharina,
when the soil gets dry, it shrinks and hardens and it makes it really difficult for water to penetrate through. How should I deal with this issue? Will I soak it again in a day or two? I'm a bit lost here. Now, that my tree is feeling better I really want to get it right...
You have touched on one of the reasons that this type of soil is to be avoided. As you have now learned it retains water too long and is difficult to re-wet when it does dry. You will be able to re-wet it though it may take a little effort on your part. Water copiously, wait 5-10 minutes and repeat this as many times as is necessary to thoroughly wet the entire root mass. Do not be concerned even if it takes five gallons of water run through the pot, this is not over-watering. You only get in trouble if you repeat this process before the tree really needs it.

Please continue to attempt to locate a proper soil/soil components, until you do all this talk of re-potting is moot. You will also need some basic tools to do the job correctly. Some sort of pruners/cutters are essential, as is a stout chopstick-like implement, a sharpened dowel or even a pencil can help in untangling the roots. I like to use a garden hose, outside of course, this helps to dislodge the old soil and loosen the roots. Remember that the whole point is to remove that old muck that is clogging up the works. Let us know what you find.

Oh, and welcome to the new member, Sylvia. Please continue to post.

Norm



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