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Holy how awesome is that!!!!! I'm gonna sit down and figure out what I have tonite, and be able to get something happening this weekend. As it stands right now, I'm keeping it in said back porch. Its much cooler in there, and should definitely drop it into its dormancy! Heres hoping!
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Alex,
Its about 6 degrees in there at the moment.
I'm wondering if that might not be too extreme too soon.

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The key to success here absolutely has to include the process being a gradual one, The shock of just being plunked into the cold could be fatal....
Probably should have asked sooner but do you know how this tree has been handled up to now?

My Juniper is outside and it was 5f last night but it has been outside all fall and winter and it is out of its pot planted in my growing bed, mulched well and has some snow on the ground as well.

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The porch is cool enough that I can see it being an ideal climate for the tree.... Its about 6 degrees in there at the moment.
6C=43F While I agree that is a suitable temp [For an acclimated tree] I share Gnomes concern that it may be a bit too drastic of a change for it to endure without a 'step in-between'.
Perhaps on the porch it is significantly warmer during the day? If so you could spend a while doing the 'tree shuffle' for a while. {In the house at night, Porch during the day.} A pain I know but from near 20C to 6C is quite a drop.

Is it possible to contact the retailer and find out where it lived [Inside or outside] through the fall? I am not optimistic about it's having been outside but it doesn't hurt to ask.

This is mostly a timing issue [Jan as opposed to having experienced autumn] Had your tree been outside all the time it would be just fine for the winter [with proper precautions].
I only point this out to reassure you that it is normally far less of a project to prepare a tree for winter.

I will let you know if I have any problems, and try and get pics up in the next couple days!
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Well to be honest, the temp in there doesnt really change much from the day to the night, at least not lately with the weather we have been having. Because the porch faces north, the tree wont get any sun out there in the day anyways. What I could do is leave the door open, thus letting warm air from the house creep in and I could regulate it that way. I think I may leave the tree out there tonite, to see what happens. Is this a terrible idea? Let me know!

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Ynot,

I am a bit confused, I had 5f last night all the way down in PA. Alex is in Canada and if he meant 6c = 43f??? I guess it is possible but Alex can you specify which scale are you referring to.

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In reviewing the previous posts I see that I probably have misinterpreted the temperature business. If your porch is enclosed then those temps seem much more reasonable. Sorry for any confusion that I may have caused.

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As of right now (1:16am) it is -7 C. The porch would be about 6 degrees C.


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Alex,

Sorry about that I should have realized. That temp may be a bit on the cool side being that it had been inside recently but it is by no means the extreme situation that I had envisioned. You will probably be alright, get the tree up against the house to help moderate the temperatures.

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Gnome wrote:Ynot,
I am a bit confused, I had 5f last night all the way down in PA. Alex is in Canada and if he meant 6c = 43f??? I guess it is possible but Alex can you specify which scale are you referring to.
Gnome, I think your above edit is correct. The 43f is [If I am correct] the inside the porch temp.
Sorry for any confusion that I may have caused.
:lol: Nobody likes to do math on after midnight. :P :P :D

It's all good.

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Hey everyone!

Well the tree made it through its first night ok! No adverse effects or anything. I'm closely monitoring it just to make sure it does'nt decide to do a full needle drop on me or anything. I have it as close to the inner wall as possible, and the temp in the porch is holding between 4-7 degrees. I'm going to go out and get one of those digital thermometers so I can get instant temp readings out of there. Thanks for the help everyone!

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Alex,

If it is not too late, get one that registers the high and low temperatures. That information is very good to know.

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Ok will do. I'm so glad I can finally start to relax with this tree a bit... It was freaking me out a bunch!


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ps. any particular thermometer I should look for specifically? Like a brand name or whatever? I'm going to get one tommorrow.

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Ok will do. I'm so glad I can finally start to relax with this tree a bit... It was freaking me out a bunch!
:lol:...That's counterproductive, This is supposed to be relaxing. :razz::wink:
ps. any particular thermometer I should look for specifically? Like a brand name or whatever? I'm going to get one tommorrow.
I don't know, I don't have one of those. I would call just anywhere local with a gardening dept. and ask what they have, Or surf their website for possibilities [This helps a bit to determine costs too.]

Since it will not be out in the weather it need not be the most expensive 'hurricane proof bells-n-whistles' model they carry. Just trying to save you a few $$ here.

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Ha!!! So much for relaxing!!! I'm sweating like OJ on trial with this thing...

Its ok though! It seems to be sorting itself out. The tree seems happy for sure!!! So thats a plus!

Heres hoping the next 20 years go a bit smoother than this winter :P

Alex.

ps - anyway to tell when it goes into dormancy? Could be a stupid question, but figured I would ask. Thanks!

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Alex,

Dormancy in evergreens is an entirely different mechanism than dormancy in deciduous material. [url=https://www.evergreengardenworks.com/dormever.htm]Here[/url] is a short article about dormancy in evergreens. If you read this carefully it may give you some insights into how to manage your tree in the coming months.

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Thanks tons for the article! Seems to be what im doing is good. In the porch with not much light (although some from the window). w00t!

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Hey guys! Just had another thought. Feeding. Should I feed over the winter? I don't want to promote growth when its dormant, but thought I should ask just to make sure.

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alexp wrote:Hey guys! Just had another thought. Feeding. Should I feed over the winter? I don't want to promote growth when its dormant, but thought I should ask just to make sure.

Alex
Since you are trying to get it to go to sleep....Giving it ferts [to promote growth] seems a bit counterproductive to me.

Some say to feed once or twice during the winter, Some say monthly.
For this tree I don't think it is required at all for the moment, When spring rolls around you can start a regular fert regimen.

Did you read the beginner basics on the Bonsai4me site [as well as the Juniper specific page] ??? Many of your general questions can be answered [Some before you even think of them ;):)]

IMO in the history of everyones 'first bonsai' none ever died from a lack of feeding.

I wouldn't worry about the ferts for the time being.

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ynot - Yes I did read the articles. TONS of information thats for sure. I do however have a question that I did'nt spot :P

Tonight is going to be really cold. Like insanely cold. Even the porch where my tree is its starting to freeze up. I think I should bring my tree in at least for tonight. Will this harm the tree? Is it best left out in the porch? Any help would be appreciated!


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Alex,

I don't think your little rascal is quite ready for a freeze yet.

There are two ways to go here:

1. Insulate him from the cold. Perhaps putting him in one of those cheap styrofoam coolers [if he fits, And you happen to have one] or some other method to prevent his temp from dropping too low.

2. Bring him into whatever the coldest spot inside is, Provided of course you put him back into the chill in the morning.

Either of these should do fine.

IMO one warm night won't screw him up as he is just starting to prepare for dormancy. Inside is most likely the safer [and honestly easier] option.

Good luck
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Thanks!

I have him inside in the coolest part of my house. He should be good there till morning. It seems we have an alberta clipper coming, so we should have double digit temperatures very soon! At least for a little while.


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Your very welcome.

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I have some pics of my tree to put up. Sorry their not the clearest pics in the world, but I'm working on my camera skills!

Alex

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alexp wrote:I have some pics of my tree to put up. Sorry their not the clearest pics in the world, but I'm working on my camera skills!
Just edit in some better focused ones when you get a chance, The brick wall looks to be in fine shape btw. :P :P :wink: :lol:

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PS:If you could resize them [current or the new ones] that would alleviate all the scrolling back and forth that the
over sized pictures causes. Kind of a pain in a longer thread you know.

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Thanks ynot!


With all the snow going on up here right now, the only thing to do is school, and bonsai at the moment!!!!! So I will get some new pictures today!

Cheers!

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lol.....ok.

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A quick update! Whatever the hell I'm doing seems to be working! The tree is looking great! Thanks so much to everyone for their help on this forum! When is a good time to start feeding him? I was thinking May'ish... Is that too soon or too late? Thanks in advance!

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Alex,
The tree is looking great! Thanks so much to everyone for their help on this forum!
That is good news indeed, and you are welcome. Its good to hear about a success story.
When is a good time to start feeding him? I was thinking May'ish... Is that too soon or too late?
That sounds about right. Play it by ear, when the weather warms and you start to see new growth on the local trees you should be fertilizing.

Not sure if we provided you this link earlier. Some info about fertilizing [url=https://www.bonsai4me.com/SpeciesGuide/Juniperus.html]here.[/url]

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Ok pics are here now........

Sorry for the confusion!


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And the ever needed before picture

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So you guys can definitely see the direction im headed with it. I'm curious as to what you think, and how I can get those "pad like" bunches of leaves going.

Thanks in advance!

Alex

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As you improve you tree, No need to disguise it with moss.

alexp wrote:Ok pics are here now........

Sorry for the confusion!
alex,

Thanks for reposting [Please hit up the irfanview link I posted. Side scrolling is not popular....Please.]
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So you guys can definitely see the direction im headed with it. I'm curious as to what you think, and how I can get those "pad like" bunches of leaves going.
A bit about pinching [pruning] for you[url=https://www.bonsai4me.com/Basics/Basics_Pruning3.html]at the bottom of this page.[/url] Lather rinse repeat :).

It is always good to have an idea of what you want to end up with style-wise [As knowing the destination helps you plan the route to get there you know :D]

That lower LH branch with no needles left may not come back- Was that intentional? BTW, Junipers should never be trimmed by cutting the foliage as this causes the tips to brown. ALWAYS pinch. Pruning branches is a different story but that ship has sailed :P ;).

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Hi!!!


I finger pinched the whole tree!!

I want a bit of foliage to return on that lower branch for a bit of balance, however, if it does'nt happen, thats ok too, as I could then go for the windswept look which was my plan b if something went wrong.


As for wiring, I'm curious how long a Juniper should stay wired for? I read that Junipers can't stay wired over the winter, is this true? If it is, it puts a serious dent in my wiring plans :?

Thanks!

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Alex,

Looking at your wiring prompts a few observations. Some of it looks too tight, some looks like it is not doing anything and it all looks too small. Have you been able to move your branches with that small of gauge wire? Your wiring "scheme" does not seem to be effective.

[url]https://www.bonsai4me.com/Basics/Basics_Wiring.htm[/url]
[url]https://www.gsbf-bonsai.org/daiichibonsaikai/wiring.html[/url]

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Norm, thanks tons! I see what I'm doing wrong after reading about how to properly wire the tree..... I will try a second attempt tomorrow and post up.

Thanks again.


Alex

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Alex,
So you guys can definitely see the direction im headed with it. I'm curious as to what you think,
I really don't see the direction sorry?

Can you possibly post a virt or drawing of where you want to take this tree.

I am having a hard time deciphering what your intentions are from the photos and whats left of the tree.

Does this tree have any nebari at all, A picture without all the surface paraphernalia might be helpful also. Actually you might ant to review [url=https://www.helpfulgardener.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3557]this stickey.[/url]

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