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estorms wrote:My blight is early blight. Last year I sprayed thoroughly with copper sulphate at the first sign of blight. It seemed to have no effect; by the end of the week, all the tomatoes had it. I pulled them out, cleaned up thoroughly, and replanted. Same thing. Other people buying at the same nursery did not have it. I did notice some blight on the tomatoes at Walmart, but I didn't buy anything there. I am starting my own plants this year. The cantelope, watermelon, three kinds of squash, cucumbers, and ornamental gourds, all died of something fuzzy shortly after sprouting. Other things did very well.


Early blight is typicaly not as scary as the dreaded late blight. The other vegs that died of "something fuzzy" are all cucurbits and I concur with rainbowgardener's diagnosis that it was most likely powdery mildew.

If you had sprayed the tomatoes with serious fungicide, it will have killed off susceptible beneficial as well as enimical fungi, leaving only those that are resistant. Early blight on your tomatoes may have been resistant. The explosion of powdery mildew on the cucurbits is likely due to the same effect. They found a nice cleared area with no competition and no predatorial microbes and plants struggling in soil depleted of symbiotic beneficial fungi. Once you start to spray whole-sale fungicide or pesticide, you have to keep spraying to maintain the "sterile" condition -- but in nature, spores and insects blow in with the wind.

Based on what you said next:
estorms wrote:When I moved here, this area was a children's play yard with healthy grass. The former owners had several loads of topsoil trucked in. My tomatos and vineing crops had the blight, but I still got enough vegetables for my needs. Last year was very bad, the beans, peas, beets, and onions were unaffeced.
...I think I want to restate what I said first on the first page:
applestar wrote:My recommendation is to try to build a healthy, bio-diverse soil with good compost. Bio-diverse microbe rich soil will compete with disease organisms. Healthy soil >> Healthy plants are more resistant to any kind of infection.
"healthy grass" to me means lots of chemical fertilizers, herbicides, and fungicides. "children's play yard" probably means compacted soil. So I still think amending with good compost is your answer. If you have access to leafpiles, you could even start one right now. It won't do much in the coldest weeks, but we seem to be getting occasional warm breaks so compost pile will slowly but surely break down. You don't need much for AACT.

As I mentioned above, milk solution and dilute AACT soil drench and foliar spray are both effective as preventive for these kinds of fungal issues when appliction is started with the onset of weather conditions that promote them, and before the problem appears. By "armoring" the foliage and creating a healthy competition among the microbes (note that microbes in the compost and compost tea will most likey already include the symbiotic organisms that are concentrated in the products mentioned above) the tomatoes and cucurbit vines will have resistance.

Your tomatoes may have been infected first by septoria type earlier fungal infection that weakened them to early blight, which many tomato varieties can outpace and outgrow -- or at least that has been my experience. And let me note that I only grow heirlooms and open pollinated varieties, not hybrids with bred in resistance. I feel people save seeds from fruits that matured in spite of such set backs in the garden, and therefore have inherited buit in resistance.

However, if you are feeling very discouraged about growing tomatoes right now, you may feel better from growing hybrid varieties which specifically boast resistance to early blight and probably powdery mildew and other fungal diseases this year.

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very nice posts in this thread, applestar! Thanks so much for all your wisdom.

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I think we would all like to cultivate the good organisms in the soil and get rid of the bad. It has been my experience that it is very hard to change.

Your soil conditions, environment, drainage, pH, and the native fauna (soil web organisms) all factor in. I think even if you apply beneficial organisms to your plants, the effect will be temporary unless those organisms are able to persist. The denizens of the your existing soil will always have a leg up because they are already acclimated.

I think that is why as Gary said, blight comes in cycles. The good thing is the soil organisms are constantly battling for dominance and so change is possible. Others have said that winter freeze should kill the organisms.

Change will take time, you may want to try to change your pH and raise it more by adding compost and chicken manure and then planting instead of tomatoes something in the cruciferous group that like higher pH. and planting green manures to overwinter. Over time, changing the food source, will change which organisms in the soil will dominate.

Looking for resistant varieties of tomatoes is a good idea if you still want to try to grow tomatoes. I would also think about growing tomatoes in pots instead and using a drier mix or even experiment with hydroponics. Rotate planting areas and plant green manures and a variety of plants.
Try bokashi to introduce organisms you want to encourage.

I don't have winter freezes, but I rarely get early blight and I have acidic soil. I do plant tomatoes in pots and when they are done, I dump the contents of the pots into the garden and start with fresh potting soil. I cut off all the lower leaves. I also have tomatoes in self watering containers, They are watered by a watering tube so unless it rains the leaves don't necessarily get wet.

I rotate the tomato containers with beans, peanuts, herbs mostly to control pests and diseases. And I use disease resistant varieties, although my best plants are not the tastiest.

I have used fungicides on some of my plants, I.e. brandywine gets mildew very badly, but I don't work to hard trying to keep a sick plant going. I pull it instead. After a while it really is not worth all the effort, the sick plant is always going to be attacked by some pest or disease. It is always going to be survival of the fittest.

Right now I have a problem with tomato yellow curl virus. I pull over half my tomatoes out because of it. Early girl, champion II, and some wild cherry tomatoes are the only ones that do not show signs and still remain big and productive.

My friend pointed out though, that there was no point to raising tomatoes that grew well but did not taste good. I am contemplating cleaning out the pots and planting something else for a while to see if the disease will die out.

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estorms wrote:I have soaker hoses. I can put them in when I plant the tomatoes and leave them in there. Under the red plastic or on the top around the plants? I will be using well water and using the soaker hose means I couldn't let it warm up. I was thinking three tomatoes in an 8'X4' raised bed. Would that be too close?
Is there something I could spray on the soil that would kill the blight before I plant anything?
Wouldn't watering under red plastic cause the ground to get moldy? From what I've read, tomato blight can spread very easily. You might want to make sure you don't use the infected plants in your compost.

Here is a helpful article that has some suggestions on what to try.

Tips For Tomato Blight Control

I like your idea of cutting down a couple trees to give your tomatoes more light. I think that our garden could use a little more light than it gets with all the tall poplar trees in our backyard.

I hope you are able to find a solution. It must be depressing to have it happen every year. :(



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